Thanks for the compliments on my list, guys.
To answer your questions, Gancanagh, the list is a work in progress. I haven't written descriptions for most creatures yet (That takes a while) and there are some areas/cultures/creature types I haven't gotten to cover systematically yet. When I'm done with it, I will repost it all in one post with spoilers, that's a good idea. But until I'm done I'll go culture by culture. Right now it's just a huge list of names. A lot of creatures on there you've already covered too. For instance, I don't have too many Celtic beasts that you don't have. It'll come though.
Ahool is Indonesian, and I honestly didn't think of the Kikiyaon. He's on there now though!
You're welcome about the Intulo.
There are enough english/celtic/scottish/irish monsters left that I didn't covered, but the ones I didn't covered from that myths are mostly the creatures that I didn't like or which I think look too much like other creatures.
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Babylonian mythos seems like it might me a good place to look if you have not already.Thanks for the compliments on my list, guys.
To answer your questions, Gancanagh, the list is a work in progress. I haven't written descriptions for most creatures yet (That takes a while) and there are some areas/cultures/creature types I haven't gotten to cover systematically yet. When I'm done with it, I will repost it all in one post with spoilers, that's a good idea. But until I'm done I'll go culture by culture. Right now it's just a huge list of names. A lot of creatures on there you've already covered too. For instance, I don't have too many Celtic beasts that you don't have. It'll come though.
Ahool is Indonesian, and I honestly didn't think of the Kikiyaon. He's on there now though!
You're welcome about the Intulo.
Alright. Let me see:
Apkallu: Celestial beings resmbling HorusAsag: Giant rock demon capable of spawning minions, already discussed but AWESOME
Capricornus: Mergoat, actually started here. Should probably be made a bit fiercer.
Derketo: Cataclysmic dragon/whale hybrid
Gallu: Demons sent to pull evil doers to Hell, a bit like the Furies.
Gidim: Sickness bringing shadow demons
Imdugud: One of the first recorded Griffins, considered a benevolent demon
Jidra: Anthropomorphic all consuming plants
Kul: Poisonous merfolk
Kulili: Aquatic chaos dragon
Kur: Great underworld dragon
Labartu: Hag demon
Lahama:Monstrous water demon
Sirrush: Saurian dragon, I would have thought it a shoe in
Rabasu: Blood sucking demon, an early form of vampire
Sebetu: Eclipse causing sky demons
And then there's the REAL spawn of Tiamat, of which only the Girtablilu has been covered:
Basmu- "Venomus snake"
Usumgallu- "Great Dragon"
Musmahhu- "Exalted Serpent"
Mususshu- "Furious Snake"
Lahmu- "Hairy One"
Ugallu- "Big Weather Beast"
Uridimmu- "Mad Lion"
Umu Dabrutu- "Violent Storms"
Kulullu- "Fish Man"
Kusarikku- "Bull Man"
Those are all the ones I have recorded that struck me as useful, Asag and Sirrush are most important, but perhaps we've got some interesting real world dragons and demons. And maybe we could do our own, mythology based Tiamat, and something fun with those spawn.
I agree on Asag and Sirrush being imporant, but the Jidra is an AWESOME find, there are few plant creatures in mythology and folklore, so every single one of them counts!
Thanks for finding that one! I love the name! Names starting with a J are rare as well! So this creature just hits the jackpot!
How do you like to see the Jidra? What kind of plant would you use to picture it?
All others are kinda like new Merfolk, dragon, sea serpent and vampire breeds of which I already have tons :-p
Gallu and Gidim appeared in bestiaries of Pathfinder already, one in a demon book and one in a AP bestiary.
From which myth come the Liontaur-like Urmahlullu? I thought from the same myths as the Girtablilu...
I agree on Asag and Sirrush being imporant, but the Jidra is an AWESOME find, there are few plant creatures in mythology and folklore, so every single one of them counts!
Thanks for finding that one! I love the name! Names starting with a J are rare as well! So this creature just hits the jackpot!
How do you like to see the Jidra? What kind of plant would you use to picture it?
All others are kinda like new Merfolk, dragon, sea serpent and vampire breeds of which I already have tons :-p
Gallu and Gidim appeared in bestiaries of Pathfinder already, one in a demon book and one in a AP bestiary.
From which myth come the Liontaur-like Urmahlullu? I thought from the same myths as the Girtablilu...
This is the first place I saw a Jidra, so I actually picture it looking fairly humanoid. It's still supposed to be rooted to the ground though.
So, maybe like a more humanoid version of Biollante from Godzilla? It should still have long, tentacle like roots/vines.http://warriorsofmyth.wikia.com/wiki/Jidra
As for Urmahlullu, I think that's either the one of Tiamat's children I spelled Ugallu or Uridimmu. Do you mean LionCENtaur or LionMINOtaur? Ugallu is the second, Uridimmu is the first.
Do you know which AP Gidim was in? And was Gallu in The Book of the Damned? I may have them, I may not. I have APs up to midway through Skull and Shackles.
EDIT: Just googled it, Urmahlullu is Uridimmu.
Wow there are "real world" spawn of Tiamat:)
We could use some Babylonian creatures, I would like to see a lot of those guys.
Thanks again Wannabe Demon Lord.
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My contribution: A few new Critters from various northern European countries: Most of these were new to me, although I have included a few slightly more well known critters:
Baiste-na-scoghaigh = Shape-shifting lumbering monoceros like beast from the Isle of Skye; propagates race by taking the form of a man and mating with female humans; may kill and mimic different men
Brunmigi = Norwegian; Noxious troll that inhabits springs; smells horrible and pollutes water
Disir = Norse; female warrior ghost-like spirits that symbolized fertility, fate, and death, and protected individual clans
Finngalkn = Norse; dragonic humanoid with human like head with large teeth, large heavy tail, and clawed limbs. Often associated with water
Fjorulalli = Icelandic "beach walker"; seal like monster who would interbreed with sheep and create offspring with deformed back legs.
Florutroll = Faeros islands Beach Troll; inhabited coastlines and abducted children; lanky, noisy creature covered in sea weed and pebbles
Gloson = Danish; spectral pig with red-glowing eyes, breathing flames; Large razor-like back, sharp enough to cut a person in half if it runs between a person's legs
Grave-sow = Danish; Undead hog who is a warning of calamity
Gryla = Faeros Islands Troll woman associated with christmas; resembles an old hag with 15 tails and a large unruly band of children; comes down from the mountains to steal unruly children and eat them
Haltija = Finnish; guardian spirits of various phenomena; different tribes of haltija guarded forests, water, women, death, fire, mountains, wood, and iron
Hrosshvalur/Raudkembingur = Icelandic; red-maned whale horse; causes huge waves by slapping tail
Kielkropf = Germanic/Northern European changeling, left in place for an infant. Couldn’t speak or properly walk, and noted to have a large head and wisened appearance. Left by dwarfs, devils, and other creatures in place of human children
Lior-trold =Norwegian; lake troll; inhabits alpine lakes; can appear as a horse, load of hay, or immense serpent. Also can take the form of different people. Most active in winter when breaks through the ice to prey on nearby people
Lundfolk = Grove-folk; Swedish; invisible spirits that guard groves sacred to the old gods; punish those who damage the groves; Inhabit trees like dryads; inhabited trees more lush than surrounding trees.
Mylingar = Swedish; ghosts of lost, murdered children; if seen, cause sickness; constantly cry for parents; can shapeshift into the resemblance of other people.
Nakki/Neck/Nok = Finnish/Northern European; monstrous water spirit; shapeshift, natural form that of a ugly fishman, but can shapeshift into a beautiful women, silvery fish, horse or hound to attract prey; can enchant and mesmerize prey with voice; eats human flesh. Can cause disease
Ofuguggi = Icelandic; venomous trout with backward pointing fins
Qvsernknurre = Finnish, Giant Brownie- like creature which inhabits mills; can extend it’s jaws to swallow anything; if paid in beer will increase the amount of flour produced; can be mischevious; weakness to fire and boiling water.
Raginal = Danish; farmyard spirit/troll that dwelt beneath the earth. Was polite, but disliked people/animals living above him, which he killed. Enormous strength; would be helpful if not bothered.
Saeneyti = icelandic sea cattle, which would breed with and steal away cattle
Selamodir = Icelandic; "Seal Mother"; giant seal that protects smaller seals from harm
Skeljaskaimsli = Icelandic shell monster; rusty brown, multi-limbed creature with a tapir like trunk and pangolin scales
Skoffin = Icelandic; a white cat-like creature with a death gaze that inhabits graveyards
Skovtroll = Swedish Wood-troll
Spokvatten = Swedish; mermaid like being composed of snow-white mist; bad luck to see
Strand-Varsel = Danish; ghosts of the unconsecrated dead who wash ashore and seek proper burial. Will possess people and make them head inland, to release them from their curse; great strength, and will kill those who defy them
Thorbagge = Norse name for scarab beetle, sacred to Thor; if found upside and righted, it expediated 7 sins from the helper
Thursir/Thusser/Thurser = Norway; man-like trolls with civilization; inhabit mountains and hills; pale blue in color; nocturnal; keep slaves.
Tomtar/Nisse = Scandinavian household/stable spirits; bearded dwarf; sometimes described as cyclopean or a shapeshifter; can cast illusions/become invisible; short temper; poisonous bite; would do farmwork for porridge
Uellerken = Germanic; Dwarf-like creatures, take the form of toads and reptiles by day, but humanoids by moonlight. Attracted to human women and converted to Christianity
Urdarkottur = Icelandic ghoul cat
Vittra = Swedish nature spirits; dwell underground and are usually invisible, but easily offended; raise cattle; will viciously drive off any intruders; open area beings but may be found in woods; field elves; sometimes steal cattle
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Would really love to see Pathfinder Bestiary versions of:
Abominion
Alicorn Unicorn
Angel of Mercy
Archangel
Apollyon - obviously have to change their name title
Dev Genie
Executioner Devil
Mercenary Devil
Torturer Devil
Fireball Debrish
Fallen Archon - At least a template to do it if nothing else.
Forest Fiend
Gloom - the ultimate fey assassin.
Helborn Tree
Hoary Hunter and the Hoary Steed
Inquisitor - may have to change the name. There's actually two versions of this creature.
Juggernaut Mimic - would love to see other forms of mimics as well.
Lich's Blood - Another ooze
Maedar - male versions of the medusa as the incubus is to the succubus (the 3.5 Dragon Magazine update was a good version)
The Magebane
Monster Mother
Mimic Troll
Necromantic Battering Ram
Paper Dragon
Phoenix Spider - because phoenixes and spiders are scary enough by themselves.
Pink Dragon - this absolutely needs to be converted, and also need a half-dragon variant for the breath weapon alone.
Slayer Genie
The Master of the Wild Hunt and his Hounds - I can not emphasize enough how much I want this. My god I loved this monster in the 3.5 Monster Manuals, and what he was capable of. I even made an entire campaign based around this creature, and other supposed "master hunters" to see just who was the best of the best.
Umbral Blot - It's in Coliseum Morpheuon, but was never properly converted to PF.
Battlefield Undead Mass and standard Undead Mass - This is the side effect of killing so many people and letting necromancers go one step beyond what they usually do.
Xixecal - other Abominations would be really cool too.
Honorable mention:
Alternate vampires (specific races) Drow vampire and Goblin vampire
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Can't edit, so I'll add another post. Just saw three more that'd be cool to add in.
Orbeiron - an aberration that can cause the destruction of the universe itself
Oztotl - a construct version of a mimic.
And finally, no link for this one but, the Godflesh Golem. It's a flesh golem that's created from the peeled or discarded skin of a usually dead god. Originally designed by Monte Cook in the "Requiem for a God" book.
I agree on Asag and Sirrush being imporant, but the Jidra is an AWESOME find, there are few plant creatures in mythology and folklore, so every single one of them counts!
Thanks for finding that one! I love the name! Names starting with a J are rare as well! So this creature just hits the jackpot!
How do you like to see the Jidra? What kind of plant would you use to picture it?
All others are kinda like new Merfolk, dragon, sea serpent and vampire breeds of which I already have tons :-p
Gallu and Gidim appeared in bestiaries of Pathfinder already, one in a demon book and one in a AP bestiary.
From which myth come the Liontaur-like Urmahlullu? I thought from the same myths as the Girtablilu...
This is the first place I saw a Jidra, so I actually picture it looking fairly humanoid. It's still supposed to be rooted to the ground though.
So, maybe like a more humanoid version of Biollante from Godzilla? It should still have long, tentacle like roots/vines.
http://warriorsofmyth.wikia.com/wiki/JidraAs for Urmahlullu, I think that's either the one of Tiamat's children I spelled Ugallu or Uridimmu. Do you mean LionCENtaur or LionMINOtaur? Ugallu is the second, Uridimmu is the first.
Do you know which AP Gidim was in? And was Gallu in The Book of the Damned? I may have them, I may not. I have APs up to midway through Skull and Shackles.
EDIT: Just googled it, Urmahlullu is Uridimmu.
If you have all AP until Skull and Shackles than you have the one with Gidim in it, but I can't remember which AP it was, I think it's the AP with many Devils in the Bestiary.
Gallu was in the latest demon book, the same book where Lilitu was also in.
@MMCJ - Damn here I was thinking I knew most creatures from myths already, this list makes Karkadann and Batibat look like famous creatures like Unicorns and Vampires, these are rare creatures and too bad most of them don't even have pictures on google :-(
Some cool stuff tho with the mermaid made from mist and a beetle monster!
Nakki/Neck/Nok = if I remember correctly another name for Fossegrim?
Mylingar- This sounds pretty much like another Drekavac/Acheri.
This are some of the only pictures they have from the monsters you named, in the versions of stamps :-p
Stamps for some of the monsters you named
Also the Gloson (only if pictured as BOAR creature, not as PIG which makes it too funny) is AWESOME! Seen a very cruel and cool picture of a boar version of deviantart and i'm in love!
this picture of the Gloson contains LOTS of gore so only watch without kids and not on work
I can see two of these razorboar-creatures in the company of a Chrysaor leader (winged humanoid boar monsters) being its pets.
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I also found some more monsters while scavaging Deviant last night:
HSIGO - The real flying monkies with a cool chinese name, these are the flying monkies from real mythology, they come from china and are vile, not gentle, just how monsters should be!
TENOME- Remember that pale creature with the eyeballs in its hands from Pann's Labyrinth? Its actually a creature from myth! Tenome it is called and comes from Japanese mythology.
SARANGAY - Cool crystal-minotaurs from the Philippines! While in the real myth they protect these gems in the pathfinder version this minotaur could have crystal horns, claws and hooves. Being constantly hunted for these precious gems the beasts grew extremely agressive and feral.
WANYUDO - The flaming wheel monsters with a demonic head on it, these crush everything in their path, the real myth version of Ghost Rider! :-p
NASNAS - Being half skeleton and half body this are strange creatures.
NOPPERA-BO - Faceless monsters that steal other faces or who use masks to wear different faces, much like a cruel doppelganger.
HRAESVELGR - The perfect minion for Pazuzu, these winged giants come with eagle-like features and maybe even a eagle/hawk-like head or beak. They come from norse myths.
ASANBOSAM - Tree vampires probably related to the Sabosan, they have iron teeth, long curved nails and toe-nails that are curved up so that they can use them to hang upside down from branches to snatch victims that walk underneath them.
AO AO - The true Wolf-in-sheep's-clothing from mythology, a wolf like creature that grew sheep-like whool so it can suprise victims, they never stop the chase and your only safe when you climb up in special trees.
Most of these monsters I found were drawn by this guy Art Gallery from Emeraldfury
I like most of his version of monsters! I especially love his hydra design! If you don't want to see a penis on a picture then don't click the Popobawa artwork from him!
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Some Doctor Who based stuff (like actually seeing these weeping angel based Gargoyles statted out)
The Vashta Nerada, The whatever it was in the Waters of Mars, SOMETHING based off the... thing in Midnight.... whatever it was.
And so many more wonderful and wild and amazingly cool creatures found in Doctor Who, because that's a great source of creatures. Don't name them the same thing, but have at very least a homage to them. I mean just how would one deal with a massive Vashta Nerada Swarm? even the Doctor himself has one way to deal with them.... and that's to run.
The Vashta Nerada are among the least scary thing Doctor Who's served up in the last several years, worse than the "smilers" from "The Beast Below" the living plastic from Eccleston's first episode, and, of course, the Adipose, but not much else. "Piranhas of the air" is what he called them - that's not so bad, and they could even be reasoned with - and failing that, in Pathfinder there's always something like fireball for swarms.
By contrast, you made me reflect on "The Waters of Mars" again, and just how truly, profoundly, particularly TERRIFYING that all was. All the Weeping Angels do once they "get you" is send you back in time to live out your days in a different era, which does suck - but what the Martian water things do is so. Much. Worse. Seriously, at least "Are You My Mummy?" Disease had a CURE....
Hey MMCJawa, any jellyfish-like creatures from myths and folklore you know about? Land based or sea based it doens't matter.
Nice list MMCJawa, there is a lot of trolls there and an undead pig.
Flying monkeys from the wizard of oz, some good and some evil, maybe a 50/50 split like cloud giants.
Lesser dragon species that is purple, good aligned, medium size or smaller, can breath fire and ice, and is immune to both.
@MMCJ - Damn here I was thinking I knew most creatures from myths already, this list makes Karkadann and Batibat look like famous creatures like Unicorns and Vampires, these are rare creatures and too bad most of them don't even have pictures on google :-(
Some cool stuff...
Nakki are similar to Fossegrim, however whereas Fossegrim seem to be attractive, Nakki are more often depicted as ugly old men or given more monstrous appearances. I tend to treat them more as shapeshifting predators than Fossegrim
FYI, Karl Shuker had a blog about those stamps which is where I got some of those icelandic creatures. Obviously skimmed past a few while compiling the recent list.
More animals for the Animal Lord template. Especially information for an Ape Lord.
Some nice ideas on here but a few things that that could be interesting but won't fly.
Modrons? I can't see this happening due to copyright
Manimal? Wasn't that a template from the Advanced Bestiary that Green Ronin had a successful KS to redo?
I'd love to see more Kaiju, Dark Folk, Great Old ones and other Lovecraft brain droppings. A lot interesting speculation but we'll just have to wait and see.
Personally, I'm fond of Outsiders, particularly fiends and celestials.
Paizo brought us a wonderful cast of fiends, so I think it's a shame that it was overly focused on Demons. Asuras, for example, have wonderful concepts behind them: dark philosophies of destruction, like... an Asura and a NG Wizard have a debate, the Asura explains why the universe should be undone, and the Wizard, despite all his efforts, cannot find a flaw on the logic of the fiend's arguments.
So, alright, the Abyss is infinite and thus the number of Demon kinds may also be, but talking about what's published, please, bring the others on par.
If I had to make rankings of how much the others have been left behind, compared to a Demon value of 100, I'd say:
Devils - 70
Daemons - 45
Asuras - 5
Divs - 8
Qlippoth - 12
Kythons - 7
Dunno who else I'm forgetting. I purposefully left Rakshasas out because I'm more than fine with them as they are (I like them, but I think we have all we need of them, creatures-wise).
So, I'd very much love to see the ranks of those fiends get bigger.
As for celestials, while I'd like to see some new ones, the risk of touching peaks of ridiculousness with them is too high (especially with Agathions), and I can stick with the already existing ones.
This forum desperatly need more fans of mythology and folklore creatures... :-(
MMCJawa, me and Wannabe Demon Lord just aren't enough
Most others can't look further than Manbearpig, probably. :-p
I am a fan of folklore creatures, It just not the only thing in existence that I like.
I have been saying this on the last two bestiary wishlists but I will say it again, we need more celestials(angels, azatas, agathions, and even archons). We also need more Proteans and Inevitables plus some types of CN and LN outsiders.
As for evil outsiders, the only ones I want are Oni, Azura, Qlippoths, and Rakshasa.
I meant people that come up with huge lists of unknown, bizarre and rare creatures from all types of mythologies and folklores, not just Greek and the utterly overused such as vampires and werebeasts.
Most people seem to wish for (and only care fore) Good outsiders, templates, real world cute animals, Lovecraft, lords and uniques, joke stuff and stuff from famous movies, only few people really care for the more unique mythology and folklore beings.
That's why I wish this forum gained a bit more of those people, of course Wes and JJ are too, but they can't post wishes for their own products.
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I meant people that come up with huge lists of unknown, bizarre and rare creatures from all types of mythologies and folklores, not just Greek and the utterly overused such as vampires and werebeasts.
Most people seem to wish for (and only care fore) Good outsiders, templates, real world cute animals, Lovecraft, lords and uniques, joke stuff and stuff from famous movies, only few people really care for the more unique mythology and folklore beings.
That's why I wish this forum gained a bit more of those people, of course Wes and JJ are too, but they can't post wishes for their own products.
Maybe that's because a lot of us want Paizo to fill the blanks before going with new creations, and even then, maybe many people would like these new creations to be Pathfinder-exclusive for better variety than just having monsters from folklore so the world ends up being a huge melting pot of mythological creatures.
However, I don't think you should worry about that though. The Bestiaries, after the first, added quite the number of mythological creatures from a bunch of different cultures.
Then again, you can't really blame people from wanting new species from previous categories. I mean, When they started with B1, many of us thought that each subsequent book would slowly increase the number of entries, but it didn't happen in some cases.
- Aeons and Proteans are still trailing behind since B2.
- We haven't seen new Angels, Azatas and Agathions since B2
- We haven't seen new Archons since B3.
- We haven't seen new Asuras and Divs since B3.
- We haven't seen new Qlippoths since B2.
- We haven't seen new Behemoths since B3 (I know I'm harping on it, but the description clearly states that there are more than the 3 presented.)
- We haven't seen new Kamis since B3.
- We haven't seen new Inevitables since B2.
- We haven't seen new Onis since B3.
- We haven't seen new Rakshasas since B3.
I could go on and on about it, but you can get the general idea here. You could argue that some got new members in APs, but this is focused on B5 here, so... Even then, some AP monsters get reprinted in Bestiaries.
Paizo should simply add 1, 2 or 3 new members for each category in future books, just like they do with Demons and Devils, and even then, missing to add either wouldn't be that bad since they already have a large number of species. The rest of the outsider classes, however, suffer greatly from the lack of variety.
That being said, B4 added new categories as well:
- Colossi
- Demon Lords
- Empyreal Lords
- Fleshwarps
- Formians
- Great Old Ones
- Kaijus
- Psychopomps
In short, nothing is stopping Paizo from adding obscure monsters, but we would like them to address the lack of certain members of certain categories first. I mean, it shouldn't be that hard to add these in B5:
- 5 new Aeons
- 5 new Proteans
- 2 new Angels
- 2 new Azatas
- 2 new Agathions
- 2 new Archons
- 3 new Asuras
- 3 new Divs
- 3 new Qlippoths
- 3 new Behemoths
- 3 new Kamis
- 2 new Inevitables
- 3 new Onis
- 3 new Rakshasas
- 2 new Colossi
- 3 new Demon Lords
- 3 new Empyreal Lords
- 3 new Fleshwarps
- 3 new Formians
- 2 new Great Old Ones
- 3 new Kaijus
- 3 new Psychopomps
That's 63 new monsters, taking 69 pages out of over 300. You can argue that we'll likely get more dragons, golems and giants as well, but that would get us only 1/3 of the book being used to add new monsters in existing categories. There would remain plenty of space for new monsters, especially at 1 page per entry.
You can take Aeons of that list, Paizo already made it clear they don't put energy into them anymore. Psychopomps take their spot.
I agree in the lack of Proteans.
You also forgot that 3 new demon lords also means 3 new devil lords and 3 new azata lords and 3 new everything lords, making it pretty much over half of the book in lords only as they all take up 2 pages. And if we get new Formians, why not new Thriae and Terra-Cotta variations?
I kinda like the chaotic pickings in groups added, and I love it that not every book will have Rakshasa and Inevitables.
Mainly because of the 2-page monsters I disagree with the thing that we need all groups in one monster manual, 2 page monsters would reduce the number of monsters back to 100 in one book.
And I didn't wish for people that are already here to take more interest in mythic monsters, I just wished that more mytho-addicted people join this forum.
I meant people that come up with huge lists of unknown, bizarre and rare creatures from all types of mythologies and folklores, not just Greek and the utterly overused such as vampires and werebeasts.
Most people seem to wish for (and only care fore) Good outsiders, templates, real world cute animals, Lovecraft, lords and uniques, joke stuff and stuff from famous movies, only few people really care for the more unique mythology and folklore beings.
That's why I wish this forum gained a bit more of those people, of course Wes and JJ are too, but they can't post wishes for their own products.
See, I'd add but you guys have covered most of what I know about. Also I really like the modern myths ala Mothman and the Jersey Devil, both of whom have already found their way in. Although we could do with a pathfinder-ized hopkinsville goblin, maybe with some sort of resistance to firearms as a foil to gun toting charaters
You can take Aeons of that list, Paizo already made it clear they don't put energy into them anymore. Psychopomps take their spot.
Huh... link? Because I think I missed that statement.
I agree in the lack of Proteans.
Well, Slaads got more than 5 members in the WotC games, so why not here?
You also forgot that 3 new demon lords also means 3 new devil lords and 3 new azata lords and 3 new everything lords, making it pretty much over half of the book in lords only as they all take up 2 pages. And if we get new Formians, why not new Thriae and Terra-Cotta variations?
- Archdevils would count as "New monsters in a new category", not "New monsters in an existing category". That's why I didn't add it, because we haven't gotten Archdevils yet... which is kinda odd since we had Demon Lords, but not their Lawful counterparts as well.
- I think that the Empyreal Lords class regroups all kinds of Good outsider classes, so getting 1 for each instead of 3 for each wouldn't that bad.
- The Formians had like 8 members throughout the 3e. Abeils, the WotC first version back in the MM2, only had 3 members... which the Thriae already has. I can't really think of how the bees could be expanded more than the ants, when the ants had a lot of species already.
- Terra-cotta soldiers already have its Archer and Mounted counterparts stated as modifications to the base creatures. I don't see the need to make a separate stat block for those... unless you had something else in mind.
I kinda like the chaotic pickings in groups added, and I love it that not every book will have Rakshasa and Inevitables.
"Not every book", I understand.
"Not every 2 or 3 books", THIS is where I see a problem.Mainly because of the 2-page monsters I disagree with the thing that we need all groups in one monster manual, 2 page monsters would reduce the number of monsters back to 100 in one book.
Well, I don't see all monsters taking 2 pages. Demon Lords, Empyreal Lords, Great Old Ones, Kaijus and possible Archdevils would be the only ones I could think of. Also, many of the categories already have their 2-page-long monster... and I think that they keep it at 1 for each. Ok fine, Devils have 2 (Pit Fiend and Nemesis Devil), but still...
And I didn't wish for people that are already here to take more interest in mythic monsters, I just wished that more mytho-addicted people join this forum.
All in due time... All in due time...
I meant people that come up with huge lists of unknown, bizarre and rare creatures from all types of mythologies and folklores, not just Greek and the utterly overused such as vampires and werebeasts.
Most people seem to wish for (and only care fore) Good outsiders, templates, real world cute animals, Lovecraft, lords and uniques, joke stuff and stuff from famous movies, only few people really care for the more unique mythology and folklore beings.
That's why I wish this forum gained a bit more of those people, of course Wes and JJ are too, but they can't post wishes for their own products.
People ask for some of this stuff because it's perceived to be a hole in the current bestiaries. Whereas most mythological creatures generally fall into the magical beast/undead/fey category, which there already is a lot of. There is something also to say that quite a bit of the low hanging fruit has either already been statted or already listed by someone.
The current "low-hanging fruit" are the various demigods, since we have had lots of details of them, but very few have been statted since Mythic just came out. Personally I am hoping we might get a mythic bestiary to help out with that, but I could see concerns that people might not pick up a CS book that was mostly demigod stats.
You can take Aeons of that list, Paizo already made it clear they don't put energy into them anymore. Psychopomps take their spot.Huh... link? Because I think I missed that statement.
I think in some of the product threads it's been mentioned that Aeons don't really have any fans currently, which is why they are focusing more on Psychopomps for true neutral outsiders. I am not sure that actually means we won't ever get ANY new Aeons at any point, but does make it unlikely until they get a Paizo champion.
I think in some of the product threads it's been mentioned that Aeons don't really have any fans currently, which is why they are focusing more on Psychopomps for true neutral outsiders. I am not sure that actually means we won't ever get ANY new Aeons at any point, but does make it unlikely until they get a Paizo champion.You can take Aeons of that list, Paizo already made it clear they don't put energy into them anymore. Psychopomps take their spot.Huh... link? Because I think I missed that statement.
Hmmm... I didn't know about that... Seems like there were actual dislikes by fans about it.
Were people expecting the Rilmanis as the True Neutral outsiders or something?
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The Aeons aren't disliked by fans at al, heck if it was up to most fans they would delete all mythological, folklore and cryptid monsters from the books just to gain 2 new Aeons.
Aeons are (kinda) disliked by Paizo staff themselves, that's why there won't be new ones, until there is a staff member that cares for them.
I agree with the current Paizo staff however, Psychopomps have my 100% favor.
Well, Slaads got more than 5 members in the WotC games, so why not here?
Well I can't really compare the awesome Proteans to the rather boring color-swaps named Slaad, so I don't think their worlds are to be compared. But I agree some more are welcome as there are only 4 so far, for me 3 cuz I only like Keketar, Voidworm and Naunet.
The Aeons aren't disliked by fans at al, heck if it was up to most fans they would delete all mythological, folklore and cryptid monsters from the books just to gain 2 new Aeons.
Ah come on now, don't being too harsh on the fans. I think that many people here go for familiar mytholigies because that's what they usually know. Norse, Oriental and Greek are the most common in fiction, so people go for these before going with obscure ones. But hey, if Paizo adds creatures from obscure mythos, maybe that'll spark interest in them in the long run.
Getting 2 aeons would please some fans though...
Aeons are (kinda) disliked by Paizo staff themselves, that's why there won't be new ones, until there is a staff member that cares for them.
Then... how come the 5 we got passed the green light? Someone must have explain his or her idea for aeons and the team ultimately accepted to publish them in B2. If they didn't like it, then logically speaking, they shouldn't have been added in B2 in the first place.
Sure, you cannot please everyone with a list of monsters... but the way you explain it, it seemed like the aeons were disliked by EVERYONE at Paizo, BUT they added them anyway, be to please a very higher-up or because they didn't have replacements.
You know? This gives the idea to ask Paizo directly about aeons for another topic.
I agree with the current Paizo staff however, Psychopomps have my 100% favor.
I don't have problems with them either. In fact, alignments are not bound to one single outsider class afterall, so True Neutral can get more than one.
Well, Slaads got more than 5 members in the WotC games, so why not here?Well I can't really compare the awesome Proteans to the rather boring color-swaps named Slaad, so I don't think their worlds are to be compared. But I agree some more are welcome as there are only 4 so far, for me 3 cuz I only like Keketar, Voidworm and Naunet.
True. What I meant is that Slaads had like... 8 members I think (2 of them being Epic-level)? Proteans got 4 since B2. For a specie based on chaos, it seems that the number is lacking.
ASANBOSAM - Tree vampires probably related to the Sabosan, they have iron teeth, long curved nails and toe-nails that are curved up so that they can use them to hang upside down from branches to snatch victims that walk underneath them.
Fwiw, PF's Sabosan were originally sasabonsam (which is an alternate spelling of the asanbosam). The name was shortened at some point in development. But they're intended to be based on the creature original to west African legend. Fun critters. :)
Maybe Paizo plans something HUGE with the Proteans, James isn't negative about them like he is to Aeons, so maybe, just maybe they are planning some Protean Invasion in an upcoming AP or so?
That would be sweet, a chaos AP.
And well, i've seen many people here ask for new aeons, and most of those never cared for any post related to mythological creatures, that's why im sure they want to replace all these awesome monsters for Aeons instead. :-D
And that's my problem to begin with, i'm tired of people that can't think futher than Wolverine, Wolverine is my grand example of things that are overused, liked by almost everyone that can't think past famous and overused characters and who never give lesser known creatures/characters a chance, because going for the famous/overused ones is soo easy.
I always laugh when people post their favorite mythological creatures top 10 on Youtube, in ALL of them there are Griffons, Dragons, Vampires, Werewolves and Phoenix... SO original...
Last I saw a blog from someone that named 10 rare mythological creatures, number 10 was griffon and number 1 was Phoenix... Pathetic.
Fwiw, PF's Sabosan were originally sasabonsam (which is an alternate spelling of the asanbosam). The name was shortened at some point in development. But they're intended to be based on the creature original to west African legend. Fun critters. :)
ASANBOSAM - Tree vampires probably related to the Sabosan, they have iron teeth, long curved nails and toe-nails that are curved up so that they can use them to hang upside down from branches to snatch victims that walk underneath them.
Thanks for that information, I never quite understood where the Sabosan came from, I already thought it had a connection with the Asanbosam, but because Sabosan lack iron teeth and aren't related to bats at all spare for the fact that they are vampires I got myself riddled over it!
Anyway I like the current Sabosan, but I wouldn't mind a creature with iron teeth and curved nails to sling from branch to branch as different creature ;-)
Well I can't really compare the awesome Proteans to the rather boring color-swaps named Slaad, so I don't think their worlds are to be compared. But I agree some more are welcome as there are only 4 so far, for me 3 cuz I only like Keketar, Voidworm and Naunet.
Everytime someone says that they like proteans I smile the rest of the day. :D
There should be more proteans. I very much agree.
Btw, the imentesh has new artwork in the Bestiary 2 box.
Maybe Paizo plans something HUGE with the Proteans, James isn't negative about them like he is to Aeons, so maybe, just maybe they are planning some Protean Invasion in an upcoming AP or so?
That would be sweet, a chaos AP.
My brain would explode if we got a protean heavy AP. :D
I'll be honest, I think I like proteans more than daemons. Heresy for me I know.
Yes, Keketar is a personal top 10 Pathfinder creature for me personally, their appearance (while very variable) is just so incredibly awesome!
I've seen the new artwork for the Imentesh, while I liked it a bit better than before, it still isn't a creature I really like, can't help it, but the Naunet and especially the Keketar make up for it! And i'm sure Paizo comes up with many more awesome Proteans in the future! :-p
My brain would explode if we got a protean heavy AP. :D
I'll be honest, I think I like proteans more than daemons. Heresy for me I know.
And in every Bestiary of the Chaos AP would be at least one new Protean Monster, so that would make at least 6 new Proteans! :-p
I can't say I like Proteans more than Daemons, but Daemons are by far my favorite group of paizo monsters thanks to the awesome connection with the 4 Horsemen, since i've seen the X-men Cartoons as little kid i'm hooked and addicted to anything related to the 4 horsemen especially to Pestilence, Famine and War.
I think in some of the product threads it's been mentioned that Aeons don't really have any fans currently, which is why they are focusing more on Psychopomps for true neutral outsiders. I am not sure that actually means we won't ever get ANY new Aeons at any point, but does make it unlikely until they get a Paizo champion.You can take Aeons of that list, Paizo already made it clear they don't put energy into them anymore. Psychopomps take their spot.Huh... link? Because I think I missed that statement.Hmmm... I didn't know about that... Seems like there were actual dislikes by fans about it.
Were people expecting the Rilmanis as the True Neutral outsiders or something?
Yeah I misspoke as Gancanagh already pointed out. They don't have fans among the Paizo devs. We should give them over to Todd Stewart...I am sure he could work his magic on them.
The Aeons aren't disliked by fans at al, heck if it was up to most fans they would delete all mythological, folklore and cryptid monsters from the books just to gain 2 new Aeons.
That's a pretty exaggerated view. I don't think I have seen too many people complain about mythological or cryptozoological critters and their presence in bestiaries. Just because people want more angels doesn't mean they don't want mythological creatures.
FYI, most of those monsters I produced in my last big list were taken by going through a online plain text conversion of a 100 year old massive tome. No way in hell would I bother doing that for a wishlist...it's just that my own writing side projects dovetail this thread, so I took my notes from that and copied them over here for you guys. I suspect maybe Wannabe Demon Lord has done similar?
Incidentally I have wondered if Mummy's Mask might give us new Proteans. Todd said Proteans get their inspiration from the Ogdoad
Go to Ogdoad.
Last thing I post before i'm going to watch American Horror Story =
It is already mentioned by WDL, but I really want to see the Paiyuk water Elk monster in pathfinder, there is really few info on this creature online, so Paizo could help making this creature more famous!
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Here's how I'd structure a Bestiary (assuming a total of 300 creatures)
150 monsters from mythology, folklore, or cryptozoology. That's half the book. At least thirty of them from the woefully undercovered New World.
54 new category additions, basically everything non-unique from JiCi's list. (I'd really like all the unique monsters to be covered in there own huge Bestiary like book. All of them from every category in one place. Including all Outsider Lords/Leaders from every category, as well as all Kaiju, Great Old Ones, etc. Controversial, but they will be a hole in the setting as long as they're not covered, and they take up A LOT of space.)
15 demons, 10 devils, 10 daemons. Sue me, I love fiends.
5 new dragons
3 new golems
Giants, ideally would be from mythology and count under the 150. (Firbolg, Yeitso, Black Tanamous, etc.)
That's 247 creatures, the rest could be whatever you feel like. Maybe throw in 20 old D&D edition monsters, going up to 267. I think that that would be a reasonable setup.
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The Aeons aren't disliked by fans at al, heck if it was up to most fans they would delete all mythological, folklore and cryptid monsters from the books just to gain 2 new Aeons.
I suspect maybe Wannabe Demon Lord has done similar?
Yes, I have. While I am certainly encouraged by the fact that I regularly see creatures from other people's lists ending up in the products, and by the fact that people have praised me on them, I am primarily using them for a fantasy novel series that I am writing on my own, and because I'm just a monster enthusiast and love learning about them in general.
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Were I in charge, the lawful outsiders would all be of one type per alignment, with only one race per HD, 1-20. The neutral (in regards to law vs chaos) outsiders would have several different types, with 3-5 races per type per HD. The chaotic outsiders would have a handful of types, with each type having a quite a few races, distributed unevenly amongst the HD. There would also be rules to create unique races for the chaotic outsiders, with lots of random tables, for any number of hit dice.
Well I have stated already that I would like a mythic bestiary that would flesh out the other outsider lord categories.
How would you factor in reprints though? As in from APs? Would they count towards the folklore/mythology (for some of them?)
I definitely do not want more than 4-5 existing fiends. 10 demons or devils is just too much. I would also want creatures inspired by movie monsters/literature to fall under the folklore section. Fiction is after all the mythology of today, and some of my favorite monsters from the last bestiary were inspired from those sources (Xenopterid, Immortal Ichor, etc).
I would get a mythic bestiary if it had stats for demi-gods, empyreal lords, old ones, unique dragons, etc. but if was mostly just standard monsters with mythic templates and abilities then I wouldn't touch it.
I used to list mythical creatures but there are plenty of people who do that now and most of what I would like to see has already been mentioned by someone.
Well I have stated already that I would like a mythic bestiary that would flesh out the other outsider lord categories.
How would you factor in reprints though? As in from APs? Would they count towards the folklore/mythology (for some of them?)
I definitely do not want more than 4-5 existing fiends. 10 demons or devils is just too much. I would also want creatures inspired by movie monsters/literature to fall under the folklore section. Fiction is after all the mythology of today, and some of my favorite monsters from the last bestiary were inspired from those sources (Xenopterid, Immortal Ichor, etc).
That was very off the top of my head, but...
150 mythical creatures45 fictional creatures
54 expanded creatures
5 dragons
20 RPG monsters
15 classic fiends
3 Golems
292. Still within a reasonable limit.
As for reprint monsters, I'd factor them within whatever above category they go in.
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Here's how I'd structure a Bestiary (assuming a total of 300 creatures)
150 monsters from mythology, folklore, or cryptozoology. That's half the book. At least thirty of them from the woefully undercovered New World.
54 new category additions, basically everything non-unique from JiCi's list. (I'd really like all the unique monsters to be covered in there own huge Bestiary like book. All of them from every category in one place. Including all Outsider Lords/Leaders from every category, as well as all Kaiju, Great Old Ones, etc. Controversial, but they will be a hole in the setting as long as they're not covered, and they take up A LOT of space.)15 demons, 10 devils, 10 daemons. Sue me, I love fiends.
5 new dragons
3 new golems
Giants, ideally would be from mythology and count under the 150. (Firbolg, Yeitso, Black Tanamous, etc.)That's 247 creatures, the rest could be whatever you feel like. Maybe throw in 20 old D&D edition monsters, going up to 267. I think that that would be a reasonable setup.
The only thing I disagree with are the number of demons, devils and daemons, I would be happy with 3 of those groups each, and then spread the remaining numbers to new Oni (NON GIANT, I will really hate it to see more oni-giant types, really mean Kitsune-Oni, Catfolk-Oni and other such oni's that come from real mythology), Div, Angels and all others.
I agree most on the many mythoglocial creatures and most of all on the demon/devil lords (and everything other unique that isn't tarrasque or Kaiju) to be in another book, they simply take up too much space with their 2 pages each.
And while i'm not a lovecraft-hater, I think 3 new lovecraft critters will do in the Bestiary 5 as bestiary 4 is simply crawling with them.
There isn't much left for the lovecraft stuff that isn't copyrighted anyway.
I would still like a Cyclops based oni and maybe a troll based one as well.
