Dervish Dance and Wands

[Vincent The Dark]

Are wands considered weapons? If not, can one hold a wand in the off hand and still use the Dervish Dance feat?

[The Golux]

I am pretty sure no and no... That's what the Weaponwand spell is for, though.

[Josh M Foster]

Wands are weaponlike for the purpose of drawing them, but they do not threaten. I'd say you can, but I could conceive of a GM reasonably saying otherwise,

[Xaratherus]

Based on an older discussion, it seems that wands are considered weapon-like objects, but are probably not considered weapons.

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For argument's sake, let's assume they are considered weapons. Does that mean you could cast magic weapon on a wand that casts a spell with an attack roll, and get a bonus on the attack\damage?

Personally, I'd say no you can't, because they're just magic sticks. Now, if you wanted to do the above, and then use it as an improvised weapon to jam up a troll's nose in the bathroom at Hogwarts, then I'd give you the bonus...

[blackbloodtroll]

A Wand is not a weapon.

[Vincent The Dark]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

A Wand is not a weapon.

It is also light enough not to interfere with the dance, right?

[blackbloodtroll]

Technically, you can dance in Full Plate.

[Grick]

Vincent The Dark wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

A Wand is not a weapon.

It is also light enough not to interfere with the dance, right?

Is there some limitation on weight?

Dervish Dance (Combat): "You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."

That doesn't prohibit you from carrying a Water clock in your off hand, despite it weighing 200 lbs.

[Vincent The Dark]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Technically, you can dance in Full Plate.

So you mean that it can be used (the wand).

Also, what can be used that is not a weapon or a shield?

[Troubleshooter]

I don't think you can cast greater magic weapon on a wand to improve the attack and damage of a touch spell anymore than you can cast greater magic fang on the wizard's hand to improve the attack and damage of his touch spells.

[Grick]

Troubleshooter wrote:

I don't think you can cast greater magic weapon on a wand to improve the attack and damage of a touch spell anymore than you can cast greater magic fang on the wizard's hand to improve the attack and damage of his touch spells.

Well, if you're using the weapon to make an attack with a held touch spell against normal AC, the enhancement bonus stuff would apply to the attack roll and to the weapon (not spell) damage roll.

Vincent The Dark wrote:

Also, what can be used that is not a weapon or a shield?

"You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand."

You can carry or use anything you like in that hand as long as it's not a weapon nor a shield.

[blackbloodtroll]

Basically, all you need is a hand that does not have a weapon, or shield in it.

You can have anything else in it.

You can wear anything while using it.

Naked, Fullplate, or choking a Squirrel, you are fine.

[Xaratherus]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Basically, all you need is a hand that does not have a weapon, or shield in it.

You can have anything else in it.

You can wear anything while using it.

Naked, Fullplate, or choking a Squirrel, you are fine.

Or even wearing nude-painted full plate while choking a squirrel.