One of my favorite characters is Thibbledorf Pwent. He was crazy loyal and loved to throw himself into battle tearing his opponents up with his armor. My questions:
How would one build him?(20 point buy)
Can someone break down the combat with him a bit? (Grappling isn't done much in my group so rules for it are a bit rusty)
Would it be viable throughout an adventure path?
Thanks.
I'm not sure rager fits because he wore tons of armor.
With spikes which had spikes. And Big Pointy Helmet.
Yes does anyone have any suggestions on how to build him? And can wether or not he is viable?
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He seems to wear a ton of spiked armor, but it doesn't have to be heavy armor. I'd suggest Hamatula Hide perhaps.
Spiked gauntlet is obvious. Have him worship Gorum, and take the feat Spiked Destroyer. More info on Gorum here.
He would also benefit greatly from the Brawler fighter archetype.
A Dwarven Boulder Helmet may also be appropriate. I'd suggest the racial trait Zest for Battle.
I think these are some good starting points if you'd like to put together a build for this dwarf.
I've built out a similar character using a Armored Hulk Barbarian/Martial Artist Monk.
I'd probably go with 5-8 levels of the martial artist (5 to be able to rage cycle). I'd make sure to get at least 12 levels of the armored hulk so that you can get come and get me. Get spiked armor and the Dwarven Boulder Helm so that you can gain the head smashing stuff. As far as rage powers go, I'd get the Animal Fury for the bite attack. I'd also go down the Greater Beast Totem line of powers so that eventually you get pounce.
Feat/styles: I'm thinking crane style for sure, extra rage powers, combat reflexes, and other things that will amp up your unarmed strike or claw attacks.
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I have a team mate in out Carrion Crown adventure who did that. It was devastating. I will adjust him to be a dwarf (he is a human).
Dwarven Invulnerable Rager 9 / Fighter 1
Str: 19 (17 start +2 level up)
Dex: 12
Con: 16
Wis: 12
Int: 10
Cha: 8
Favored Class bonus into rage rounds.
HP: 114 (raging 174)
DR: 4/-
Saves: Fort: 11(13) Ref: 6 Will: 4
+4 vs spells, spell like and poison
+4 while raging vs Spell SP & SU
Can reroll 1 will save per rage and 1 any save per rage
AC: +1 dex, +9 Mithril Full Plate, +2 Heavy Shield = 22 without magic
Touch: 11 (15 while raging)
Flatfooded: 21
Feats in no particular order
Power Attack
Raging Vitality
Steel Soul
Lightning Reflexes
Toughness
Extra Rage Power
Extra Rage Power
Rage Powers in no particular order
Superstitious
Ghost Rager
Clear Mind
Eater of Magic
Witch Hunter
Reckless Abandon
The idea is to keep your armor well and shield well enchanted. Your saves are awesome your ac is fantastic and if you find yourself against low hit guys they drop the shield, two hand your weapon and go to town.
Here's a try at 11th level.
Dwarf Fighter (Brawler) 4 / Barbarian (Invulnerable Rager) 7
Str 18
Dex 15
Con 13+2+2 from cord of stubborn resolve
Int 8
Wis 7+2
Cha 9-2
Pwent is a very unbalanced character, and a decent way to play a character with a bunch of dump stats - he's dumb and charismatic as a post, and not very bright. He makes poor decisions and is too impulsive not to have a Wisdom penalty, even though the dwarf racial bonus helps a bit.
The high Dex is pretty unconventional, but I needed it for the TWF stuff - this build is centered around attacking with as many weapons as possible, essentially spiked gauntlet/spiked gauntlet/armor spikes/boulder helmet.
I'll be back later with feats and class abilities.
Loving this idea.
I will have a look.
Definitely a Barbarian but Pwent's armorbprof suggests fighter.
I would say a combo of
Invul Rager and Brawler.
He is not Subtle at all.
Dwarf +2 to saves+Steel Soul and Glory of old trait+Superstition equals mega saves.
Would definitely have 'Good for what ails you' rage power cause of his heavy drinking.
His dwarven boulder helmet could be a Jingasa of the fortunate warrior.
I'll have something later.
If allowed to take optimistic gambler trait could extend rage rounds a fair bit.
Probably at least Invulnerable Rager 2-4 and rest Brawler fighter.
Focus on Armor Spikes, grappling and bullrushing.
I'm looking at all the suggestions here, and thinking they all sound like a lot of fun. Hard to pick a favorite.
Definitely a Barbarian but Pwent's armorbprof suggests fighter.
I would say a combo of
Invul Rager and Brawler.He is not Subtle at all.
As I said in my build he could be a armored hulk barbarian with that armor he loves so much, so he doesn't have to be a fighter at all unless you want more feats.
Brawler gives him +1 attack/+3 damage with every weapon he uses - spiked gauntlets, armor spikes, and the boulder helm are all close weapons. I's a heck of a/deal. Note also that most of the armored hulk stuff doesn't help dwarves.
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Yard work now. I'll have a build later.
Would brutal pugilist be worth it? He does a lot of grappling?
Yep. I am thinking 2 levels of
Brutal Pugalist.
The rest Brawler.
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Possible powers/feats.
Improved Unarmed Strike-Imp Grapple
Good for what ails you
Knockdown
Knockback
Intimidating Glare
Now since he is a grappler funnily enough a style feat looks good
Dragon Style.
Maybe take chokehold? What are other awesome things to do in a grapple?
Spiked Destroyer looks good.
Pwents main tactic was charge/impale with his helm spike and to grapple and go into a death shake with his spikes to kill.
Failing that he used punches from his spiked gauntlets.
Dwarf Fighter (Brawler) 4 / Barbarian (Invulnerable Rager) 7
Basic plan of the build - you're fighting with four weapons - two spiked gauntlets, armor spikes, and a dwarven boulder helm. Your full attack at 11th level is six attacks (I would do armor/armor/armor/gauntlet/gauntlet/helm). They all do your full Strength bonus due to Double Slice, +3 more from the Brawler archetype. If you hit with the armor spikes or gauntlets you can immediately make a grapple check due to Hamatula Strike. Once per round you can do a bull rush instead of an attack, probably the helm. If you succeed you get an extra armor spikes attack due to Spiked Destroyer.
If you ever crit with the armor spikes (on a 19-20) you impale your opponent with Impaling Critical. Each turn on their turn they take damage from your weapon. Your opponent can spend a move action to pull you off, which deals damage again.
Strength Surge allows you to, once per rage, gain a +7 bonus on a combat maneuver check, usually either grapple or bull rush. You can then end your rage as a free action and start it again the next round.
The big limitation is the lack of pounce, which you can only get at Barbarian 10. As it is though, you can shred one enemy at a time pretty effectively.
Stats
Str 18
Dex 15
Con 13+2+2 from cord of stubborn resolve
Int 8
Wis 7+2
Cha 9-2
Feats
Two-Weapon Fighting
Double Slice
Improved Unarmed Strike (while raging, from Brawler)
Improved Grapple
Weapon Focus (armor spikes)
Spiked Destroyer
Hamatula Strike
Weapon Specialization (armor spikes)
Critical Focus
Impaling Critical
Rage Powers
Brawler
Knockback
Strength Surge
Equipment
[list]
Looks good.
I'll use it as my base.
At 11 what is the full attack gonna look like? You don't have multi attack
So would your attack not be Gauntlet 1/Gauntlet 2/Gauntlet1?
I am thinking Invulnerable Rager 8/Brawler 12 to be the best breakdown
Barb 8 gets another rage power (and alot of rage powers go by level)
Brawler 12 gets
Menacing Stance 2
No Escape
Close Control +3 Bull rush, drag, reposition
Close Combatant 3 attack/5damage
With four light weapons, you get to pick which one is your primary (and thus gets your iterative attacks). For this build I think Armor Spikes is the best primary weapon due to Wounding on the spikes.
I haven't crunched out all the numbers for attack and damage, but off the top of my head...
Raging Strength = 22, +6, full Strength on all attacks due to Double Slice
Brawler gives +3
WS gives +2
Say +2 for the weapon + 1 Con from Wounding
+ a grapple attack on each hit
Each armor hit then is 1d6 + 13 + 1 Con + a free grapple check.
Spiked gauntlets would be probably +1 material (one cold iron, one silver?) + an energy enchantment, say, one shocking, one sonic.
1d4 + 10 + 1d6 energy + a free grapple check
It's honestly not that amazing DPR at 11th level, and anything with DR will hurt him badly, but it's mostly a fun character concept, and DPR isn't everything - optimized characters mostly walk over the Adventure Paths, in my experience.
That does indeed look like fun. Any idea as to progression, or does the order really matter?
Optimised is a relative term.
1d6+13+1 Con+ a free grapple check is not bad if you are also layering on the fact the target cannot attack you allies.
A normal full attack build does more damage but doesn’t stop a foes freedom of action.
I usually build Brawler and TWW to lockdown foes for this reason.
Lunchbox, the build order I posted above was...
B1
B1/F1
B2/F1
B2/F2
B3/F2
B3/F3
B4/F3
B4/F4
B5/F4
B6/F4
B7/F4
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Didn't we do this already?
Dwarven barbarian/ rogue (scout). Battle rager! See here for all flavor issues.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Thibbledorf_Pwent
Thibbledorf Pwent FTW!
Or you can go this route.
The Dwarven Battle Rager (fighter/barbarian):
Traits- Clearheaded, Berserker of the Society
Str- 16
Dex- 13
Con- 16 (+2 Dwarf)
Int- 10
Wis- 14 (+2 Dwarf)
Cha- 8 (-2 Dwarf)
1) Barbarian (Invunerable Rager)- Power Attack
2) Fighter- Toughness
3) Fighter- Shield Bash, Dodge
4) Barbarian- (Rage Power: Superstition) / +1 dex
5) Fighter- Weapon Focus (Dwarven Waraxe)
6) Barbarian-
7) Fighter- Weapon Spec (Dwarven Waraxe), Endurance
8) Barbarian- (Rage Power: Auspicous Mark) / +1 Con
9) Fighter- (Weapon Training: Axes) Iron Will
10) Stalwart Defender
Gear- Dwarven Waraxe, Hvy Spiked Shield, and a Dwarven Boulder Helmet allow the Battle Rager to deliver slashing, piercing, and bludgeoning types of damage as needed. Add in the full plate he is wearing you can enchant as you see fit.
Notes- All ability increases will go into Con after 4th lvl. After completing the Stalwart Defender PrC, The Battle Rager will take his final lvl in the Fighter class.
Never used a waraxe though...
Thanks guys I really like some of these ideas. Spike crazy sounds like fun. What would his attack sequence be like should I try to get some more grapple feats? Also do all the extra attacks come about? I'm not really used to playing beyond like level 6.
So still looking for some comments on my previous post. Also would like to get some thoughts on whether brutal pugilist might be better than invulnerable rager. I think having your dex and such whilst grappling might help building Pwent and same with the bonuses to CMD and CMB. However I also do enjoy high levels of DR. Also he will be in a Kingmaker game. Any thoughts?
Invulnerable Rager is better if you're abusing the cord of resolve, since it negates the damage from it completely by the time you get DR 3/-, as I.R. DR is doubled against nonlethal damage.
Otherwise I can see a point to Brutal Pugilist and spending some money on adamantine heavy armor.
Just wanted to say I am almost lvl 6 with this guy and I love playing him. Grappling is so much fun to just lock opponents down while out other greataxe barbarian puts some real hurt on them. Thanks. Our gm also seems to have given us an over abundance of money that has been funneled into my gauntlets and armor spikes. Which makes him rock more. The party also has a bard and witch. Monsters have a bad day. For fun's sake I also named him Spike Mcfists.
Love Dwarf barbarians remember the complete dwarf from 2nd ed? That's where I discovered the battlerager with head spike. A year or so later read about pwent by now having retired my beloved level 7 battlerager Azmir Thorson. Several years after that I read gotrek and Felix and gotrek easily eclipsed Pwent for me thus spawning...Kragmar Goredrivver Gutspiller Nine finger smiles chosen of clangeddin. But I digress.
Lunchbox, if your query is still relevant I would recommend Ravingdorks crazy character emporium search it on the advice threads and get his fultor spellbreaker overrun build. Put a boulder helm on him and viola! Good to go!
I would build something around the Throat slicer feat and make an armored grapple build.
Pin the oponent and kill him with your Armor spikes.
It is a 3 year old topic, so I don't know if the original poster is still around, but I see at least one attack you are missing, none of the attacks you posted used the two weapon fighting(full bab at level 11 gives 3, two weapon fighting gives another) , and maybe he was counting spiked destroyer giving a bonus attack? Or perhaps he thought he only needed one two weapon fighting feat?
I'm really glad you brought this post up, because I was just thinking about how to make Pwent.
I didn't go over your build too much, but you can't have a brawling boulder helmet. Brawling can only be on light armor and the helmet is a weapon (and even has a specific clause stating you cannot enhance it as armor)
Oh my bad, I've never seen that enhancement, and I'm used to seeing both people incorrectly enhancing the Boulder helmet and people trying to put the armor enhancement on things it doesn't work on.