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Selytiel is totally yaoi.
I always think of Seltyiel as being rather... "mercenary" with maters of sexuality.
I still think it's Ezren (though he might be transgendered; physically male and mentally female). Harsk is my second guess (he's totally a bear). Seltyiel is probably bi along with Merisiel.
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The homosexual iconics are Neil Patrick Harris and Ellen Degeneres, right?
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The homosexual iconics are Neil Patrick Harris and Ellen Degeneres, right?
Can I just have NPH in everything forever?
EDIT: That came out wrong.
Edit: The above edit was also a poor choice in words.
The homosexual iconics are Neil Patrick Harris and Ellen Degeneres, right?Can I just have NPH in everything forever?
EDIT: That came out wrong.
Edit: The above edit was also a poor choice in words.
Well done sir.
So, this started out as a post about the art on page 10 of Ultimate Campaign possibly revealing Seltyiel as the transgendered iconic. It seemed pretty straight forward to me. A little girl with an elven mother and human father (in a chapter filled with depictions of young iconics). I went to check his back story to see if there was anything about the races of his parents, and that's when I discovered this:
The bastard son of the duped Lady Phiaura Bhrostra and the brigand-sorcerer Lairsaph—the so-called Feign Prince of Cheliax's Whisperwood—Seltyiel was never meant to survive. Through guile and illusion, the half-elf was conceived as a living disgrace to the sonless Bhrostra family—stern, martial-minded traditionalists who had long hunted the woodland bandits. The tragedy of his wife's death in childbirth, compounded by the dashed promise of a male heir, nearly drove Lord Ghran Bhrostra mad, and only his daughter's sobs stayed the lord's blade.
The first sentence acknowledges Seltyiel's current gender, but the third reveals that the child born was not a male. Has this really been sitting in front of us for the last five years? Was the art a gentle hint? Has this already been settled somewhere else?
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I don't think that is the interpretation that was intended. Seltyiel is not a male heir because he is not the son of Lord Ghran Bhrostra. The way I read it, Seltyiel fails to meet the "male heir" definition by not being an heir, period. (He has a half-sister who is fully the child of Lord and Lady Bhrostra, which is why I think "male" needed to be specified.) What's more, the death of Lady Bhrostra ensures that a male heir who is truly Lord Bhrostra's issue will never come to pass. (Unless he remarries, I suppose, but the write-up doesn't get into that.)
That said, reading that story through the lens of Seltyiel being transgendered makes it an interesting tale. I just don't think you've found the smoking gun you were looking for.
Yeah, I thought about that too, but dismissed it in my excitement. I think the picture in Ultimate Campaign is still interesting though. The adults in the picture might not match up with the parents in his backstory, but they could be his half-sister and another human male (a partner, a retainer, who knows?).
I don't think that is the interpretation that was intended. Seltyiel is not a male heir because he is not the son of Lord Ghran Bhrostra. The way I read it, Seltyiel fails to meet the "male heir" definition by not being an heir, period. (He has a half-sister who is fully the child of Lord and Lady Bhrostra, which is why I think "male" needed to be specified.) What's more, the death of Lady Bhrostra ensures that a male heir who is truly Lord Bhrostra's issue will never come to pass. (Unless he remarries, I suppose, but the write-up doesn't get into that.)
That said, reading that story through the lens of Seltyiel being transgendered makes it an interesting tale. I just don't think you've found the smoking gun you were looking for.
Ha! Awesome. ;)
I can assure you of one thing, if Seltyiel thought it would get him ahead and it was something really worth it, you can bet he'd change his gender. He's already quite... mercenary with his sexuality.
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Ha! Awesome. ;)I can assure you of one thing, if Seltyiel thought it would get him ahead and it was something really worth it, you can bet he'd change his gender. He's already quite... mercenary with his sexuality.
So basically Seltyiel has the same sexuality as Berserk's Griffith: Power. ;)
Please don't make Ezren homosexual or transgender, or if you do, be very very careful. It's not that I'm against homosexuality, quite the opposite really. I'd prefer nothing be done, even unintentionally, to promote the idea that being homosexual is an aspect of being an immoral godless atheist, or that being a godless atheist is an aspect of being an immoral homosexual. It would be a shame for someone to draw that conclusion from a fantasy game when there is enough of it in the real world. I live in a region where a lot of people still can't separate RPGs from satan worship, and I'd hate to see my favorite game promote another ridiculous association (even if on accident). To be frank, the golarion interpretation of atheism already comes off as lacking and in need of guidance, so please Paizo, step lightly. Good work on the LGBT stuff so far though!
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But what about the immoral, atheist queers hoping for representation? :P
Seriously though, you can't avoid making negative associations in the minds of people who do not think. Never portraying gays as immoral or godless is a bad thing. It limits writing and it won't change any hearts. The only way forward is to be honest and fair; to portray homosexuals as people.
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Not really all that cryptic. In Confessions of a Sociopath M. E. Thomas asserts that a fluid, calculating, sexual orientation is the strongest indicators of sociopathy. Seltyiel, being LE has a very instrumental view of others.
Interesting, makes Marjorie Liu's take on Dakken less 'titiliation' and more 'doing her research'.
I think Valeros is homosexual. Why do you think he really ran away from that marriage of his? He's just in denial. I mean come on! Always hitting on the ladies? What are you trying to prove to everybody Val?
Is the obese kid to be told he doesn't need a hero like him? the physically deformed or mentally challenged?
Look at Lini. She likes to polish a collection of sticks, she has trouble figuring out who she can trust, and her quotations at the beginning of chapters, while certainly coherent and relevant to the matter at hand, are often what would be considered "socially inappropriate" (i.e. claiming that goblins are just misunderstood while fighting them). I would definitely say Lini has Asperger's syndrome, a subset of autism.
That being said, I think that it is fine to out an iconic as homosexual before one is outed as being disabled. The two are separate issues. I would, of course, prefer to see an iconic be openly autistic, like me, but having an iconic be openly gay does not suddenly increase my desire for an autistic iconic. If they represent one minority, that does not make it more or less important to represent another. That would be like saying, "They did a book on psionics, so now they have to do one about reptilian PCs!" or saying, "Why do you want an arcane class with a full BAB and a 4-level spell progression? We already have spontaneous divine spellcasters."
Does what's going on in the comics count?