...Mostly. There is a note on free actions that stipulates "there may be limits to the number of free actions you can perform in a turn". Basically it's up to how your DM interprets that particular little caveat.
Sure, sounds great.
No, it really sounds great... I am now considering how to use this myself.
Weapon cords plus quick draw, rapid reload and TWF. Fire double barrels at -4 plus haste and iterations x2. Weapon master 3 + gloves of dueling + weapon focus = + 4 to hit which counteracts the penalty and keeps your BaB full to hit touch AC... By definition, sounds great.
No, it really sounds great... I am now considering how to use this myself.
Weapon cords plus quick draw, rapid reload and TWF. Fire double barrels at -4 plus haste and iterations x2. Weapon master 3 + gloves of dueling + weapon focus = + 4 to hit which counteracts the penalty and keeps your BaB full to hit touch AC... By definition, sounds great.
Take weapon master to 4 for specialization and you are really cooking with gas!
Yes... and blow through gold faster than a UMD rogue.
Not that its a bad idea, its just a very expensive one.
i am also pondering a double barreled pistol loaded with Flare cartridges... 2 DC 15 rolls to turn being blind 1 round into dazzled. One standard attack, and your rogue will love you forever, at least at low levels.. Worst case you shoot them up with 12 flare rounds... each round is a 5% chance of failure. (total 60% to fail once at the highest levels.)
Something can be done with Entangle Shot... it just sucks that it can only be shot out of a scatter weapon. (No double barreled dragon pistols.)I've got to think about it more.
No, it really sounds great... I am now considering how to use this myself.
Weapon cords plus quick draw, rapid reload and TWF. Fire double barrels at -4 plus haste and iterations x2. Weapon master 3 + gloves of dueling + weapon focus = + 4 to hit which counteracts the penalty and keeps your BaB full to hit touch AC... By definition, sounds great.
Yeah...that is the kind of things that is the reason for the limit on free actions by a GM...
For more normal usage, yeah, double pistol should not be a problem. It really comes down in part to how you imagine the loading done to me. Once you get it down to a free action, I would say you'd have the skill to load a couple adjacent barrels at once. Double barreled is simple since you would just need to have two cartridges between your fingers and line them up at the same time. For pepper boxes or revolvers...well, lets say that you just got a few speed loaders and leave it at that.
The thought of 12 free actions would make me flinch, and if I were GM, I'd want to limit it. The question is, where do you limit it? How many free actions is too many? Where do you draw the line?
Well, hence the OP I reckon. It gets worse with weapon cords and all that nonsense.
Honestly I feel using double barrels (or TWF) with pistols is more trouble than its worth, and FAR too expensive to do every round.
The Pepperbox isn't a big deal though. Basically it allows a sort of limited form of Rapid Reload+Paper Cartridges, usable for the first 6 attacks of a combat.
Once you have rapid reload and paper cartridges, its a pistol with higher misfire chance. The one advantage is that each barrel can contain a different alchemical cartridge or special material bullet. Presumably you can spin it to the correct barrel as a free action. I would allow it based on being cool but in no way overpowered, regardless of the RAI. (Flare, cold iron, silver, adamantine, pitted, and normal bullets. Awesome.)
I am a bad DM... I never track ammunition unless its a x-bow. If you have the right feat, and buy a few different types of ammo then I consider you covered...
As a result, I never use ranged combat as a player because I hate keeping track of little things like that. I would be afraid of playing a gunslinger, because they are too easy to brake to me... But I promise to use the heck out of them against my players!
Just make sure when you go limiting it that you let the PC know in advance of them spending all the cash and feats and such.
I'm not saying you shouldn't limit it (12 reloads in 6 seconds does seem abit much, imo) just that communication here is key.
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Another idea is loading the first bullet in a pepperbox as a Burrowing Bullet.
Basically allows a no save staggered effect for 1d3 rounds, or until the target receives a DC 15 heal check. the next five bullets are your bullet of choice.
Barring a guy there just to provide the BBEG some heal checks, its a pretty solid way to lock down any martial types. Sadly, there are too many standard action spells to make it viable against spellcasters...
The Weapon Cord has been FAQ'ed, so your situation is probably a bit different from what's outlined here.
That said, it would be useful to have a little more information. What level is the gunslinger in your game?
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The only time I ever saw a pepperbox in play, the GM decided that if its wielder could reload one bullet as a free action, then reloading all the chambers would be a move action.
It worked fine in execution. He wasn't trying to TWF with guns, so he usually got to full attack twice in a row before reloading. The GM still gets to impose a hard limit, and the gunslinger still gets to Rapid Shot.
Why do I have to think about Il Duche from The Boondock Saints? oh, wait, I know:
They exited out the front door. They had no idea what they were in for. Now they're staring at six men with guns drawn. It was a f$@&ing ambush. This was a f#@*ing bomb dropping on Beaver Cleaverville. For a few seconds, this place was Armageddon! There was a firefight!
What if it was just one guy with six guns?
Why don't you let me do the thinking, huh, genius?
I don't see where Gun Twirl helps you in the reloading department.Say goodbye to Weapon Cords and hello to Gun Twirl! :p
Although it does require three feats above the previous weapon-cord shenanigans, you can do the same thing with Dazzling Display, Weapon Focus, Quick Draw and Gun Twirl.Although drawing, twirling, and holstering several different pistols as you reload and fire sounds so frickin' badass I'd forgive the extra feats.
The problem with dual wielding firearms is that you need a free hand to reload a gun. So once you fire both of them you need to reload. So you either spend a move action to holster one or a free action to drop one (and a move action to pick it up later). Weapon cords used to be a solution, but got nerfed to avoid such shenanigans.
If you have the Quick Draw feat, you can holster a one-handed firearm as a free action as long as you have at least 1 grit point.
This lets you holster a gun as a free action while you reload the other one. You already need to have the feats to reload your firearms as a free action to do this properly, of course, but this helps with the free hand problem.
I don't see where Gun Twirl helps you in the reloading department.Say goodbye to Weapon Cords and hello to Gun Twirl! :p
Although it does require three feats above the previous weapon-cord shenanigans, you can do the same thing with Dazzling Display, Weapon Focus, Quick Draw and Gun Twirl.Although drawing, twirling, and holstering several different pistols as you reload and fire sounds so frickin' badass I'd forgive the extra feats.
The problem with dual wielding firearms is that you need a free hand to reload a gun. So once you fire both of them you need to reload. So you either spend a move action to holster one or a free action to drop one (and a move action to pick it up later). Weapon cords used to be a solution, but got nerfed to avoid such shenanigans.
If you have the Quick Draw feat, you can holster a one-handed firearm as a free action as long as you have at least 1 grit point.This lets you holster a gun as a free action while you reload the other one. You already need to have the feats to reload your firearms as a free action to do this properly, of course, but this helps with the free hand problem.
That's pretty handy, if a bit heavy in the feat tax department. Most of my gunslingers would never use the feint aspect since their Charisma tends to be . . . lacking.