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I read somewhere in the long list of threads leading up to the voting that you would have to do a hefty some of voting to see the same item more than once. The possibility also existed that you may even be able to view your own submission ....what I am finding strange is that I have voted about 15 or 20 times since yesterday and in that very short amount of instances I have seen 3 seperate items twice.
Is this supposed to correct ...... I get the voting method and each item has been paired with a different entrant, I originally though I must of hit the back button and was revoting on a pair.
Just a curiosity
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RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
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Marathon Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8
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There are lots of items that I've seen multiple times (some as many as half a dozen). Strangely, I have yet to see my own item. Which is irrationally unsettling, I must admit.
I too have been voting quite a while and haven't seen my own. Though I've come across one item five times already that I've disliked seeing. Others I've never voted for have been popping up almost 3 times now.
There are lots of items that I've seen multiple times (some as many as half a dozen). Strangely, I have yet to see my own item. Which is irrationally unsettling, I must admit.
Same here. Right now I'm just hoping that it's getting enough votes that it isn't being shuffled around in what seems to be the repeating "neither" pile.
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There are lots of items that I've seen multiple times (some as many as half a dozen). Strangely, I have yet to see my own item. Which is irrationally unsettling, I must admit.
I'm glad someone else is having this experience because I was starting to get a little panicked. Irrational, yes. Unsettling, also yes.
I've also seen a good many duplicates, yet haven't seen my own. However, the duplicates I have seen have been fairly bad, while the good ones I've voted on I've only seen once or twice.
Thinking about it, if the bad ones regularly have people voting for neither, then it makes sense that we would see those more often than the good ones, since they just get shuffled back in.
I don't mean to sound critical about it. Seeing repeats do slim down some of the reading time when voting on submissions.
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I don't mean to sound critical about it. Seeing repeats do slim down some of the reading time when voting on submissions.
Yeah, I agree. I think that it is important to spend the 60s when considering items you have not seen before. As time goes on and you are regularily comparing items you have already read, 60s may be too much.
I'm getting to the point where I am seeing new pairings of old items, and to be honest, I am getting impatient. Not with the voting process as a whole, but when I see Item A for the 5th time and Item G for the third time, I only need about 10 seconds to decide which is better.
Then there is that pesky timer at the bottom, making sure that I don't spam through voting just to upvote my own item. I get why it is there, and I do appreciate the intent, but I have seen Item A and Item G enough times now; my decision is made... sigh. I guess I'll watch that clip of the kitten doing something cute while I wait for the timer.
In future years, if its possible to allow a 'voting memory' that reduces the timer when we have seen the items already, that would be awesome.
I've seen a few items 2-3 times, one of which items was my own!
I've seen a few items 2-3 times, one of which items was my own!
Lucky! I'm still holding out til mine appears!
I have yet to see mine, I have seen several items 3 or more times...
From the voting FAQ: "Every item will be voted on before any item is selected for voting again."
Is this actually true? If so, there's a *lot* of votes given how often I've seen a lot of items.
I've seen my own item exactly once.
Still haven't seen my own item... makes for great moments of worry and paranoia.
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I've seen any number of repeats, but most of those have only come up two or three times so far. There is one item that's come up a half dozen times already, and I've never voted in its favor. I'm about ready to ask for a voting button that says "No Means No. Please do not show me this item again." :)
I've seen any number of repeats, but most of those have only come up two or three times so far. There is one item that's come up a half dozen times already, and I've never voted in its favor. I'm about ready to ask for a voting button that says "No Means No. Please do not show me this item again." :)
This!
There's a couple of them that keep coming up that are just making me whimper every time I see them. All in all the quality has increased and I've seen a ton of new items today so that's great.
I've even had to vote a double vs a double a couple times.
But I haven't seen my own item yet! Eek!
Maybe next year, put in a timer skip you can use, like, 3 times an hour? That would really help with the impatience.
A 'this item is dross, and worse than any item which I do not designate as dross' button would be helpful, but probably overused.
The reason items keep reappearing and popping up is because the algorithm they're using for a sort order is dependent on making lots of comparisons to lots of other items...not just a single item and having the one you favored the least disappear from ever being voted upon again. They need you to keep comparing all kinds of items together...including the ones you already compared. Ultimately, it builds a bigger "mesh" of relationships mathematically so the better items bubble to the top. There's a lot of inter-relational comparisons that are being established by your efforts. So, suck it up and keep voting. Even when there's an annoying "bad" item that keeps popping up for you to consider. The outcome will be stronger for the voting process if you keep going.
Or, TLDR...trust the math. Keep voting anyway.
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Although I've yet to see my own item (I have voted on 30-35 pairs total now, I think; not surprised that I haven't seen my own) I have to admit that I never, ever, ever, ever, ever want to see about a half-dozen of them again.
I've seen one item five times in different pairings - and because it's chock-full of grammatical errors, has incredibly limited functionality and is just plain boring.... man, we need a "please, never show me this again" checkbox on items in this process.
There are lots of items that I've seen multiple times (some as many as half a dozen). Strangely, I have yet to see my own item. Which is irrationally unsettling, I must admit.
It's quite scary when I agree with one of the Jacobs... Which one? I'm not sure.
If my count is right I am just over 700 items viewed. I have 28 items in my keep folder. Some of the items I have seen made me shudder, and some of them made me cheer.
I still have not seen my item however and am slightly worried, hope I did not make a mistake somewhere and DQ myself...
*Shrug*
Ah, well we will see.
Anyway basically even though I do agree that some items were not just unoriginal, or lacking in research, they were very very bad, I have to say it is heartening to see the amount of effort that some items have obviously been crafted with.
TLDR; Don't get disheartened. Use this as a learning experience and do what I am doing. Plan for both the next round and next year!
Or, TLDR...trust the math. Keep voting anyway.
Neil, how deep will the judges go? Deep enough that you agree you have the 32 superstars? Or will you go deeper in the order to see if there are hidden gems?
Neil, how deep will the judges go? Deep enough that you agree you have the 32 superstars? Or will you go deeper in the order to see if there are hidden gems?
Firstly, I'm not a judge this year. So, I can't say with any degree of certainty.
Secondly, I believe Paizo already updated the information they shared earlier about the process. Looks like they'll start at the top and work their way down until they find 32 items. All you're helping them do is establish the prioritized order in which they'll examine the top-most items. It's still the judges' choice as to which items are truly Superstar and which competitors are worthy of making the Top 32.
So, will it be items 1-32 that get pushed directly into the Top 32? Doubtful. Will the Top 32 competitors all be found within items 1-64? Probably. Will they have to go beyond item #64 to look further afield? Possibly. Will there be "golden tickets"...? I'd be surprised if there weren't. The judges usually only unanimously agree on a lesser set of the Top 32 items. After that, they reach for "golden tickets" to go round-robin style and elevate something which caught their eye. That's the time honored tradition, at least. And, historically, many of the "golden tickets" have gone on to do quite well in later rounds the contest.
I bet the judges are voting too, and they might just pull a personal favorite or three out of the pile.
All in all the quality has increased and I've seen a ton of new items today so that's great.
I want to say this is due to a lot fewer people using the 'vote for neither' button. The first day or so, it sounds like every time people saw a pairing of bad items they were voting for neither. Which only meant someone else would have to see it before the next pairing of good items appeared.
So, that's encouraging. ;)
The reason items keep reappearing and popping up is because the algorithm they're using for a sort order is dependent on making lots of comparisons to lots of other items...not just a single item and having the one you favored the least disappear from ever being voted upon again. They need you to keep comparing all kinds of items together...including the ones you already compared. Ultimately, it builds a bigger "mesh" of relationships mathematically so the better items bubble to the top. There's a lot of inter-relational comparisons that are being established by your efforts. So, suck it up and keep voting. Even when there's an annoying "bad" item that keeps popping up for you to consider. The outcome will be stronger for the voting process if you keep going.
Or, TLDR...trust the math. Keep voting anyway.
OK, does this mean each voter has a batch of, say, 100 items that show up 90% of the time, and the other 10% is the rest of the items? So the reason I don't see my item a lot is because it's not in my batch? But might be in someone else's?
And this would explain why I keep seeing many of the same items over and over again, and see very few new items?
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I do want to chime in and say that I have seen a lot, I mean, a LOT, of repeats during voting. To the point where it got really difficult to keep going at times. I would venture to say, in fact, that there is a pretty slim percentage, less than 25 as an estimate, of items that did not repeat. I may be a victim of mathematical reality here, but it doesn't sound like my experience was a unique one.
