Is it just going to be a reward for those who participate in the kickstarter or will it also be published?
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Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I do hope the MMO is successful but I don't realistically see it in my future. But I'd definitely check out Emerald Spire if it's published. In fact, I'd love to see Paizo attempt a Mega Dungeon a la Rappan Athuk in a couple of years. I like the planned books coming out in 2013, but I'm even more curious what they are thinking of publishing in 2014. They've covered all of the "expected" types of supplemental books, other than maybe exploring the other continents of Golarian, so my interest in the future is definitely piqued.
^ what he said ^
IANP, but I can't imagine they would publish physical copies of something solely for Kickstarter backers when there would clearly be a larger market - I can't see any possible business reason for such a decision.
All it would do is make their profits smaller and Kickstarter fulfillment very expensive.
IANP, but I can't imagine they would publish physical copies of something solely for Kickstarter backers when there would clearly be a larger market - I can't see any possible business reason for such a decision.
They did so for Thornkeep.
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However, it may not be published at all if the kickstarter isn't funded...
Very true. Regardless of whether we'd sell the book on its own later, the only way to make sure that Emerald Spire happens in the first place is to support the Kickstarter!
And let me tell you, there are some major designers still waiting in the wings for us to announce their levels...
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Even if you have ZERO interest in the MMO all you need to do is pledge the five dollar level and get the 100 print add on. The book will be $75 minimum they said. Also the flip mats alone would cost over $80 so you are getting a deal at $105 for both the book + flip mats.
"But I don't want flip mats." See below;
1. Get flip mats
2. eBay
3. ???
4. Profit
However if the KSer fails we all get nothing.
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Just to check:
As a Golarion enthusiast who will never play in a MMO, I can get the hardcopy material for $5 (watcher level) + $100 (Print Add-on).
I can get the PDFs (dungeon and maps) for an additional $75. That will also include all sorts of things I don't particularly care for: the PF Online download, one month subscription, New Player Pack, membership in Goblin Squad, Sountrack digital download, and the Behind-the-Scenes PDF.
I can get the miniatures for an additional $25. I also get four months subscription and an alliance pack.
It seems a shame to buy the subscription and then never log in. It seems a shame to buy the New Player Pack and then throw it in the trash.
Clearly, I need to find a local MMO fan who wants to play the Beta but doesn't play the tabletop game.
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See what this person did? This is exactly the thing to do.
If you love Golarion, love the idea of this superdungeon, but don't intend on playing Pathfinder Online, why not tap one of your MMO playing friends, and split the rewards.
You (the Tabletop / Non-MMO person) get the physical rewards, they get the early access & can use the PDFs.
Win, Win, and the community at large benefits as well!
I applaud your forward thinking paradigm, Chris Mortika!
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IANP, but I can't imagine they would publish physical copies of something solely for Kickstarter backers when there would clearly be a larger market - I can't see any possible business reason for such a decision.They did so for Thornkeep.
Thornkeep book and flip mats are available for anyone to order.
http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tb0?Pathfinder-Online-Thornkeep
http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tbi?Pathfinder-FlipMat-Thornkeep-Dungeons-2P ack
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Even if you have ZERO interest in the MMO all you need to do is pledge the five dollar level and get the 100 print add on. The book will be $75 minimum they said. Also the flip mats alone would cost over $80 so you are getting a deal at $105 for both the book + flip mats.
"But I don't want flip mats." See below;
1. Get flip mats
2. eBay
3. ???
4. ProfitHowever if the KSer fails we all get nothing.
Hmm, did they say the book would be $75? There's no way in hell I'd pay $75 for a 128 page sourcebook, even if it is hardbound. Fair price is more in the $30 range. Or is the plan for hte book to get up to a typical Paizo hardbound size? I suppose as people put their money in the pot that could be =)
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128 pages minimum. 12 maps minimum. 9 minis minimum. Plus PDFs of same. Plus cards. Music appropriate for a fantasy RPG. For $200 ($215 international). That's a great price. That price becomes even better value the higher this Kickstarter gets. The online RPG is really just a cherry on top of the tasty sundae that is this bundle.
I've totally kicked in for the $105 (plus shipping), but since I have no intentions of playing the MMO, am holding off on upping the pledge to $200. Presumably some interested parties will actually care about the early entry o the Beta, and I'd feel bad eating a slot just to have it sit.
Plus it'll give me a better idea of which minis they're doing...
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Assuming the Kickstarter is funded, we will make the Emerald Spire book available other ways eventually, though without the Kickstarter-exclusive cover.
The book will be $75 minimum they said.
Somebody misunderstood something.
You can get the PDF of the book (along with a bunch of other stuff) at a $75 dollar pledge level.
We have never suggested a retail price for the book; until we know how big it's going to get, that's not even a possibility. However, regardless of what that price ends up being, I'm confident that the Kickstarter package, taken as a whole, will provide a better deal—and the deal will get better and better as we hit post-$1M stretch goals.
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Assuming the Kickstarter is funded, we will make the Emerald Spire book available other ways eventually, though without the Kickstarter-exclusive cover.
The book will be $75 minimum they said.Somebody misunderstood something.
You can get the PDF of the book (along with a bunch of other stuff) at a $75 dollar pledge level.
We have never suggested a retail price for the book; until we know how big it's going to get, that's not even a possibility. However, regardless of what that price ends up being, I'm confident that the Kickstarter package, taken as a whole, will provide a better deal—and the deal will get better and better as we hit post-$1M stretch goals.
Yay!
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IANP, but I can't imagine they would publish physical copies of something solely for Kickstarter backers when there would clearly be a larger market - I can't see any possible business reason for such a decision.They did so for Thornkeep.
Nope, the didn't. It's available for pre-order to the general non-KickStarter public right HERE.
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Perhaps you could create a reward tier for those of us who want the Emerald Spire book, the maps, and the PDFs, but aren't really interested in playing the actual MMO?
Not a bad idea. A "Pathfinder Online Sympathizer" reward level would be interesting.
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Yeah, even if it wound up being approximately the same price, it would FEEL less wasteful to me than it would for me to buy a month-long subscription, extra content, early access, etc and then not use it.
You can already do this. Select the $5 watcher level, then add $70 for the hardcopy of the book/flipmats or + $170 for the hardcopy + PDFs, and minis.
So $175 (+$15 international shipping). You won't get a soundtrack/access to the video game at all.
At least I think that's how the math works.
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Yeah, even if it wound up being approximately the same price, it would FEEL less wasteful to me than it would for me to buy a month-long subscription, extra content, early access, etc and then not use it.You can already do this. Select the $5 watcher level, then add $70 for the hardcopy of the book/flipmats or + $170 for the hardcopy + PDFs, and minis.
So $175 (+$15 international shipping). You won't get a soundtrack/access to the video game at all.
At least I think that's how the math works.
Spending more money to purposefully get less is even more wasteful. Spending $175 to get a book that isn't really guaranteed to have more than 128 pages? Not at all interested. Especially if it ends up like the Thornkeep book, with almost a full third of the page count devoted to the MMO than rather than to the dungeon.
Spending more money to purposefully get less is even more wasteful. Spending $175 to get a book that isn't really guaranteed to have more than 128 pages? Not at all interested. Especially if it ends up like the Thornkeep book, with almost half the page count devoted to the MMO than rather than to the dungeon.You can already do this. Select the $5 watcher level, then add $70 for the hardcopy of the book/flipmats or + $170 for the hardcopy + PDFs, and minis.
So $175 (+$15 international shipping). You won't get a soundtrack/access to the video game at all.
At least I think that's how the math works.
Can't quite do thst yet, DM_aka_Dudemeister.
There isn't an option (yet) to get the PDFs without a $75+ tier selection.Kthulhu,
I already did some magic math on what you'll get and the relative value over HERE. Its already been stated by GW and Paizo people that the book is 32 pages of sourcebook (new magic items, Fort Inevitable location and environs, NPCs, etc.) and the rest is all dungeon, 8 pages a level. Plus, with the print option, you get more than just the book.
I've totally kicked in for the $105 (plus shipping), but since I have no intentions of playing the MMO, am holding off on upping the pledge to $200. Presumably some interested parties will actually care about the early entry o the Beta, and I'd feel bad eating a slot just to have it sit.
Plus it'll give me a better idea of which minis they're doing...
This was my view initially - I backed at a high level but didnt take a slot. Trouble is, I'm not really watching the kickstarter and I didnt want to miss out if some "available to higher tier backers" perk came along so I moved up "just in case". Hopefully I wont take the spot of someone more deserving.. :/
.A "support our MMO and we'll give you all the TTRPG stuff attached to this kickstarter" option would be cool, in my opinion. It's a bit weird I guess (and maybe breaks kickstarter guidelines) but you'd have to think it would give you valuable information about the support Goblinworks are getting and where it's coming from.
At the crushing rate this Kickstarter is going they will have no problem funding this MMO. I am hoping the people that are funding this MMO will not forget about the tabletop game. I know when the game comes out people will be online like crazy. I'm certainly more motivated to support this after the megadungeon was announced, should be great.
This will be my first time pledging to a kickstarter...how exactly do I include the $100 for the Add On? I don't see a separate option...would I simply put $105 as my pledge?
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This will be my first time pledging to a kickstarter...how exactly do I include the $100 for the Add On? I don't see a separate option...would I simply put $105 as my pledge?
Correct. Select your pledge level on the next screen your pledge amount will be in its own text box. Manually increase to $105 for the print pack.
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I think it'll get funded handily, and I've pledged already.
I AM hoping, however, that they'll add a pledge level that consists of print + pdf with no MMO. Call it "Old Skool" level. And a higher one that does print + pdf + minis with no MMO ("Old Skool Maven", or something).
Just take the $5 pledge and increase it to $105 if you live in the U.S., or $120 if you live outside the U.S. you will get the print product add on without the MMO. However, you won't get any of the minis.
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IANP, but I can't imagine they would publish physical copies of something solely for Kickstarter backers when there would clearly be a larger market - I can't see any possible business reason for such a decision.They did so for Thornkeep.Thornkeep book and flip mats are available for anyone to order.
http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tb0?Pathfinder-Online-Thornkeep
http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tbi?Pathfinder-FlipMat-Thornkeep-Dungeons-2P ack
Thanks for those links. I didn't know those were being made available outside of the Kickstarter. Glad to see them since I'm not interested in the MMO myself. (If it were based on Pathfinder RPG's d20 System and weren't an MMO I would have interest. Big NWN player here.)
I think I'm unable to think today... What and how much do I have to pledge for, to receive the following:
The hardcover and pdf's for Emerald Spire, shipped to Europe?
I'm guessing it's $195 @ the Watcher level ($5 watcher +$100 hardcover +$75 pdf's +$15 shipping?), is that correct?
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Sigh. I want to get in on this, I really do. I just wish this wasn't so bloody close to Christmas. Between this and RPG superstar, I sometimes wonder if Paizo doesn't bother to include seasonal factors into their promotional schedule.
When it comes to regular product, the holidays have less of an impact. People on subscriptions already work it into their budget. Everyone else will just factor it into their regularly planned monthly impulse or "me" buys. For the most part. But when promotional material is offered with less than a month's notice before the holidays it goes from being a regular luxury item to an exclusive luxury item which is not what you want when you're trying to get as many people as possible rather than sell to a lucky few.
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that with 38 days to go, Goblinworks will probably make their goal. I really hope they do. However, it's not very well-timed in the sense that 9 of those days (the 7 leading up to the holidays, and the days themselves) are going to see very little activity (compared to the rest). At least when considering the North American market which places huge emphasis on the holidays. If they wanted to get the most out of those days they would have started their 51 (?) days well before or right after the holiday seasons. Though perhaps the production schedule on the publishing side didn't allow for any wiggle room. That would be the only reason I could see for timing it the way it is.
Same goes for RPG Superstar this year. Yes, it's to be expected in December. But the reduced time allotment was not only unexpected but wasn't announced till (again) less than a month before the holidays. While it's a great promotion and brand builder for Paizo, the rush people will need to put on to get their entries in during the busiest working season of the year may not engender as much goodwill as it has in previous seasons.
Just the thoughts of a fellow marketer. The holidays are the most dangerous and most lucrative promotional season in North America. It can swing either way if all possibilities are not carefully considered. Now, I've never cried "fire" with Paizo before and I'm not going to start now. I'm going to assume all of this has been carefully considered and done with the utmost care, because Paizo has an excellent track-record for doing so. However, two major high-investment (workload-wise) promotions both with less than a month of notice stacked next to the holidays is gutsy. Really gutsy.
The hardcover book + shipping to europe is... 5$ pledge + 100$ for the print set + 15$ shipping for a total of 120$?
Yes. You pledge the minimum amount for the MMO ($5), then you add $100 for The Emerald Spire Print Pack Add-On Option, including
The Emerald Spire Superdungeon: A 128-page full-color hardcover mega-dungeonThe Emerald Spire Dungeons Flip-Mat Multi-Pack: At minimum, you’ll receive six printed Flip-Mats featuring 12 exciting dungeon levels!
The Crusader Road Novel: Learn about the Crusader Road region of the Pathfinder Online world in this paperback book by New York Times bestselling author Richard L. Baker!
The Emerald Spire Campaign Cards: Run your Emerald Spire Superdungeon campaign in style with this gorgeous 55-card set of Item Cards, Face Cards, and Quest Cards.
And then you add another $15 for international shipping, resulting in a total of $120.
The hardcover and pdf's for Emerald Spire, shipped to Europe?
I'm guessing it's $195 @ the Watcher level ($5 watcher +$100 hardcover +$75 pdf's +$15 shipping?), is that correct?
Not quite. There is (currently) no option to add only the pdfs. You automatically get them at the pledge levels $75 and up. So you pledge $75 for the Loremaster reward level and add $100 for the Print Pack Add-On and $15 for international shipping. That's a total of $190.
Note that for $25 more, you could upgrade from Loremaster to Crowdfounder Pioneer, giving you all of the above PLUS the miniatures for a total of $215.
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The hardcover book + shipping to europe is... 5$ pledge + 100$ for the print set + 15$ shipping for a total of 120$?Yes. You pledge the minimum amount for the MMO ($5), then you add $100 for The Emerald Spire Print Pack Add-On Option, including
The Emerald Spire Superdungeon: A 128-page full-color hardcover mega-dungeonThe Emerald Spire Dungeons Flip-Mat Multi-Pack: At minimum, you’ll receive six printed Flip-Mats featuring 12 exciting dungeon levels!
The Crusader Road Novel: Learn about the Crusader Road region of the Pathfinder Online world in this paperback book by New York Times bestselling author Richard L. Baker!
The Emerald Spire Campaign Cards: Run your Emerald Spire Superdungeon campaign in style with this gorgeous 55-card set of Item Cards, Face Cards, and Quest Cards.
And then you add another $15 for international shipping, resulting in a total of $120.
The hardcover and pdf's for Emerald Spire, shipped to Europe?
I'm guessing it's $195 @ the Watcher level ($5 watcher +$100 hardcover +$75 pdf's +$15 shipping?), is that correct?
Not quite. There is (currently) no option to add only the pdfs. You automatically get them at the pledge levels $75 and up. So you pledge $75 for the Loremaster reward level and add $100 for the Print Pack Add-On and $15 for international shipping. That's a total of $190.
Note that for $25 more, you could upgrade from Loremaster to Crowdfounder Pioneer, giving you all of the above PLUS the miniatures for a total of $215.
Incorrect, the $100 print pack now also provides you with the PDFs, so for EU, you need to pledge $5+$100+$15, for a total of $120.
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Thanks for those links. I didn't know those were being made available outside of the Kickstarter. Glad to see them since I'm not interested in the MMO myself. (If it were based on Pathfinder RPG's d20 System and weren't an MMO I would have interest. Big NWN player here.)IANP, but I can't imagine they would publish physical copies of something solely for Kickstarter backers when there would clearly be a larger market - I can't see any possible business reason for such a decision.They did so for Thornkeep.Thornkeep book and flip mats are available for anyone to order.
http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tb0?Pathfinder-Online-Thornkeep
http://paizo.com/products/btpy8tbi?Pathfinder-FlipMat-Thornkeep-Dungeons-2P ack
No worries and I hear ya on the nwn thing that'd be more what I'm looking at too :)
Incorrect, the $100 print pack now also provides you with the PDFs, so for EU, you need to pledge $5+$100+$15, for a total of $120.
Ah ok. I only looked at the updates, not the front page of the . That's certainly good news. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Looking at the various posts in a couple threads, explaining why I should spend lots of money for lots of stuff I don't want (that's a bit of an overstatement, but it seems like the basic view at least a few of us have isn't getting through):
I hope this is made available later to purchase solely as a pdf.
I don't plan on playing the MMO, I don't use flip mats, I don't care about minis, I don't want a hard copy, etc..
I get that the book doesn't get made if the kickstarter doesn't happen. That's a foundational fact. But if it does get made, I'd like to be able to buy the pdf. Not spend a bunch of money on stuff I don't want just to get the pdf.
Slumbering Tsar's bundle subscription added a special chapter with (I'm told), special info relating back to the story told in Rappan Athuk and Tomb of Abysthor. I very much wanted that chapter. But I had already bought 6 (I think) of the installments and didn't want to spend $150 (or whatever it was) for the primary purpose of getting that one supplement chapter (yes, I got the other parts of the series, but that wasn't why I was buying it).
Frog God did not make that extra chapter available and posts indicated it never would be. That's disappointing to me as a Necro World fan.
This is similar: I do think Paizo will sell the pdf at a reasonable price down the line. The posts explaining what a value signing up is, are discounting that not everybody wants all that stuff.
Incorrect, the $100 print pack now also provides you with the PDFs, so for EU, you need to pledge $5+$100+$15, for a total of $120....
The hardcover and pdf's for Emerald Spire, shipped to Europe?
I'm guessing it's $195 @ the Watcher level ($5 watcher +$100 hardcover +$75 pdf's +$15 shipping?), is that correct?
Not quite. There is (currently) no option to add only the pdfs. You automatically get them at the pledge levels $75 and up. So you pledge $75 for the Loremaster reward level and add $100 for the Print Pack Add-On and $15 for international shipping. That's a total of $190.
Note that for $25 more, you could upgrade from Loremaster to Crowdfounder Pioneer, giving you all of the above PLUS the miniatures for a total of $215.
Well, now I know why I was getting confused. Thank you all for clearing that up!
I do think Paizo will sell the pdf at a reasonable price down the line. The posts explaining what a value signing up is, are discounting that not everybody wants all that stuff.
Of course they will, but people are just breaking down that there is value for what they're offering - even if it's not something you want.
Regardless, the only reason it exists is to promote the video game and kickstarter funding; which they need badly. I want them to succeed, but a million bucks is a lot of money. We'll just have to wait and see what happens next.