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The tone is so different in the grimdark movies than it is in the tv shows (even Arrow, which is the darkest DC show on now, even after they lightened it up). I just can't see them crossing over between movies and TV, so it makes zero sense to eliminate any duplicate characters between the 'verses. Maybe it's just a coincidence that people are reading too much into. Superman is still (sort of) in Supergirl, after all.
They've explicitly stated that they won't mix the two.
Also, they kill off Deadshot and Waller just because? I don't buy it.
The only place we're hearing tales of the same character potentially existing simultaneously in multiple formats is with the upcoming Flash movie.
Because thanks to superspeed and/or time travel, he can actually be in two places at once. :)
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I am definitely hoping that they don't bump off Katana in Arrow to 'make room' for Katana in Suicide Squad. Seeing her in this last episode made me think that this might be the case, but it looks like she and Nyssa might have come to an understanding instead.
Shado showing up in Ollie's flashback broke my head. I was like, "Doesn't anyone stay dead on this show?" Then it wasn't what I thought it was, and I was annoyed with myself for letting them bait me like that. :)
Really, really looking forward to seeing Vixen. She's easily one of my favorite League ladies (along with some versions of Black Canary and Hawkgirl/woman/She-Hawk). She's got a great dynamic powerset. Strength of an elephant! Fly like an eagle! Speed of a cheetah! Swim like a shark! Camouflage like a chameleon! Track like a bloodhound! Punch like a mantis shrimp! Cling to walls like a spider! Sell insurance like a gecko! (Okay, that one's less likely...)
With the reveal that ** spoiler omitted ** my new theory about the grave site is that the person Felicity asks Oliver to kill is him.
I agree.
didn't they explicitly use a feminine pronoun when referring to the grave?
I don't know how this set of circumstances would come about, but if for some reason Felicity's dad killed her mom, that would certainly seems like it might prompt her to tell Oliver "You need to kill him."
Killing family members is the sort of dick move I expect from Darkh, but the timing of bringing of in Felicity's dad is suggestive, combined with the fact that Darkh has recently gone to ground.
** spoiler omitted **
I just finished the Arrow Season 2.5 trade paperback, written last year, and that name given in the spoiler tag is mentioned for Felicity, for what it's worth. Season 2.5 was written by the show's writers and they consider it canon.
Seeing last episode, I'm once again convinced that the woman in the coffin is the mother of Oliver's child. She'll probably die trying to protect her son.
yeah... killing the old ex-girlfriend doesn't rate that high on the vengeance meter...
Killing his SON however... That could get felicity up in arms O.O
yeah... killing the old ex-girlfriend doesn't rate that high on the vengeance meter...
Killing his SON however... That could get felicity up in arms O.O
But we know the person in the casket is female. Also, it really depends on how it happens. I'm guessing the mother dies while trying to protect her child...
It's either that or Felicity's mom.
I don't have a good feeling about Thea anymore.. it's like her whole purpose is simply to be a reason for Ollie and Malcolm to play nice.
THAT may be in the past now. I don't see them being buddy buddy anymore.
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I don't have a good feeling about Thea anymore.. it's like her whole purpose is simply to be a reason for Ollie and Malcolm to play nice.
THAT may be in the past now. I don't see them being buddy buddy anymore.
I could see Thea being angry enough about Malcolm leaving her to die and sending Darhk after Oliver's son that SHE would try to kill him. Which could then easily lead to it being Thea in the grave and Malcolm who Felicity wants Oliver to kill.
That said, Donna/Darhk still seems more likely to me.
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"Look, she told me I couldn't see him if I told anyone. But, umn, yeah, Thea knows... ahem, and Barry, and then there's Merlin... but really, honey I couldn't tell you, honest."
You made the right decision, Felicity.
And, I would guess that Darke is going to be released, since he's not "the one armed man" who kidnapped William. He may still be the one Ollie "has to kill", taking his vengeance for his lost macguffin and the spoiling of his plans. Of course, he may also "need to kill" Merlin, whose falling out with Thea could cause him to further inflict harm on Ollie.
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"Look, she told me I couldn't see him if I told anyone. But, umn, yeah, Thea knows... ahem, and Barry, and then there's Merlin... but really, honey I couldn't tell you, honest."
You made the right decision, Felicity.
Well... Oliver didn't tell any of those people. They each figured it out on their own. Indeed, the first person that Oliver actually told was... Felicity.
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Doesn't matter. He should have lied to William's mom, not Felicity. He's broken promises before for lesser reasons. It's not like Felicity would have said "I need to be a part of this child's life, too!" She could have known, could have kept his secret. She's proven again and again that he can trust her, and he continues to deceive again and again. This version of Ollie is a "secret" junkie, he gets off on it(the way only a CW character can.)
Up front, I will grant that Ollie is a dick, addicted to secrets, etc.
That said, I think he really is trying to get better about his BS, but like any addict he has setbacks; and I think Felicity somewhat overreacted given that:
(1) Ollie only just found out he had a son; it's not like he's been living [another] secret life all along.
(2) Not raising an issue right away, even an important one, is not "lying"; she can reasonably ask "How could you keep this from me?" but not "How could you lie to me...again?"
(3) She admits he was faced with an "impossible" choice, then cuts him no slack whatsoever.
And look at the most likely outcomes, from his point of view. If he blabs about William and his mom finds out, he loses all contact with the kid; if he doesn't tell Felicity and she finds out, she'll have her feelings hurt. The choice he made was a reasonable one in the short term. At some point in the near future he would have needed to say hang the risk and tell her, but I can absolutely support that not being the very first thing he does.
I did applaud at the dramatic timing that allowed her to get up from her wheelchair and literally walk out on him, though. Much more powerful than if she'd rolled out of the room.
Up front, I will grant that Ollie is a dick, addicted to secrets, etc.
That said, I think he really is trying to get better about his BS, but like any addict he has setbacks; and I think Felicity somewhat overreacted given that:
(1) Ollie only just found out he had a son; it's not like he's been living [another] secret life all along.
(2) Not raising an issue right away, even an important one, is not "lying"; she can reasonably ask "How could you keep this from me?" but not "How could you lie to me...again?"
(3) She admits he was faced with an "impossible" choice, then cuts him no slack whatsoever.
And look at the most likely outcomes, from his point of view. If he blabs about William and his mom finds out, he loses all contact with the kid; if he doesn't tell Felicity and she finds out, she'll have her feelings hurt. The choice he made was a reasonable one in the short term. At some point in the near future he would have needed to say hang the risk and tell her, but I can absolutely support that not being the very first thing he does.
I did applaud at the dramatic timing that allowed her to get up from her wheelchair and literally walk out on him, though. Much more powerful than if she'd rolled out of the room.
Agreed with all of this.
Besides... it's not like the kid was even very high on the crazy crap going on either. Right now... in the eight weeks since he found out about this...
1)Running for Mayor
2)Crazy Magic man that he can't fight
3)Wedding Plans
4)Sister dying
5)League of Assassins..
6)Felicity shot and paralyzed...
Exactly WHEN in that roller coaster of chaos did he ever even have a chance to THINK about this kid and how to make it work so everyone would win and nobody's feelings would be hurt??
Frankly, I love felicity, but they are a bad match anyway... She's been part of this too long and she was CONSTANTLY looking for the door all season. Every time she feels the least insecure about something... She's ready to bolt. THIS was an annoyance... that she admits she understands. If THIS is the 'final straw'... then they aren't going to work.
She needs to transfer to Central City and get together with Barry. They are fun together :)
Honestly, I think the bigger part of the episode that I disliked... what Vixen. I didnt' see the animated adventure (loved THAT play on words...) but how/why does she know who Ollie is under the mask? And now the entire team??? Not to mention knowing Barry is the Flash???
The CW-verse plays WAY too fast and loose with secret IDs.... especially when they aren't even in the same show!
Also... I think I want an amusement park to create a 'Rollercoaster of Chaos'.... :D
Also, Felicity is officially one of the dumbest people ever. Dumbest!
But I guess CW is like that.
For doing what? Walking out on someone with a history (and present) of lying to her every time something comes up?
She was right. Ollie doesn't trust her to know anything that goes on in his life that she hasn't already figured out for herself.
Looking forward to Dinah (and us) finding out who Conner's mother is on LL this week.
Dinah? LL?
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So, did anyone else end up just going wtf at the writing for this weeks episode?
Seriously, the concept for the episode is cool but for the love of god this is some of the dumbest logical hoops I've seen these writers jump through to bus someone.
** spoiler omitted **
Right, I know, but this episode explicitly stated otherwise.
And I still don't get these references...
Dinah? Dinah's been dead for a while, even in 2016.
LL?
Laurel's full name is Dinah Laurel Lance but she hated her mother so she decided to officially go by Laurel.** spoiler omitted **Right, I know, but this episode explicitly stated otherwise.
And I still don't get these references...
Dinah? Dinah's been dead for a while, even in 2016.
LL?
Right, I'd forgotten that. So if "Dinah" in Krensky's post refers to Laurel, I don't know why Laurel would care especially about an(other) illegitimate son Ollie would have fathered years after they were no longer together: 2046 is 30 years in the future and "Connor" didn't appear older than early 20's at best.
Also, at first pass I'd taken "LL" in that post to refer to Laurel, but that wouldn't make sense grammatically, so I still don't know what "LL" is supposed to be:
Looking forward to Dinah (and us) finding out who Conner's mother is on LL this week.
No, it refers to Sarah because I've worked 56 hours this week and I got my Black Canary I's confused.
LL was supposed to be LoT but, again, I was tired.
Are we donw or should I go find a sword to fall on?
No need for a sword. I wasn't trying to be critical, just trying to understand the references. It all makes sense now, and I will be quiet.
Vixen knows Barry and Ollie from the animated episode. Same way they know who she is.
As for the secret identities... Are you familiar with comics? All these people know who each other are. DC heroes not knowing a fellow heroes (or villian's, for that matter) identity is unusual and remarkable.
As for Felicity, well, they need some way to eventually get Ollie and Laurel back together.
Looking forward to Dinah (and us) finding out who Conner's mother is on LL this week.
hah...Laurel and Ollie getting together. Those actors had no chemistry and that is the major reason Ollie and Felicity happened. Laurel is barely on the show, so I don't see really any chance of that couple happening short of recasting.
Ollie and Felicity had no chemistry either, the writers were just pandering to the "Ollicity OTP" crowd for more views.
The only thing I don't like about Felicity recovering her ability to walk is the fact that it begs the question:
Why aren't they mass-producing this thing? Why would anyone in the Arrow-verse ever be paraplegic ever again?
Well, this is just the prototype (Felicity is a lab rat, essentially). Presumably, if it works without any horrendous side effects, they WILL mass produce it.
I have to say I did Love Vixen this episode...maybe if Legends gets another season they can cycle her (and Constantine...but I think that was a one time deal) onto the show and some other characters off.