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I loved the Human Target dude.


Prometheus...good God, another archer?!? Make it stop!

It's worse than all the speedsters on The Flash.

(And yes, archers should be easier to come by that super speedsters, but still...)


Damon,

Maybe he/she/it will be more than just an Archer. I mean we already had magic man. Why not back to archers?

Also I agree with MMC, get Curtis back to inventing crap to help him fight, not do bare knuckles fighting.


Damon Griffin wrote:

Prometheus...good God, another archer?!? Make it stop!

It's worse than all the speedsters on The Flash.

(And yes, archers should be easier to come by that super speedsters, but still...)

I'd be a little more content if they could at least give them different costumes!!!

Between Meryln, League of Assassins, Ra's, and now Prometheus... everyone is doing that same 'Let's look just like the hero but evil...' thing.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Maybe he/she/it will be more than just an Archer. I mean we already had magic man. Why not back to archers?

I would love it if the archer thing was actually a quirk. He doesn't want to just beat the best, he wants to beat the best at *their own thing.* Like The Bride, in Kill Bill, he'll go after the knife specialist with a knife, and poison the poisoner, and have a swordfight with the swordfighter.

So Prometheus plans on killing Green Arrow with a bow. But he'll put a bullet in Spartan or Wild Dog without batting an eye, if they get in his way, because they are gun-users.

That would be cool, and a special kind of egotistical nutcase.


Set,

Now THAT would be great. Especially since it would prove he's more than just one trick pony.

Regardless of who's behind the mask, I think Prometheus is a step above some other villains I've seen on CW/Arrowverse.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Maybe he/she/it will be more than just an Archer. I mean we already had magic man. Why not back to archers?

I'd just like a real break. Between Ollie, Malcolm, Thea, Roy, Carrie Cutter/Cupid, Evelyn Sharp/Artemis, Prometheus...and, stretching the point, Helena Bertinelli/Huntress...this show should change its name from Arrow to Quiver.

I give Shado a pass because someone needed to teach Oliver archery; and Yao Fei because someone needed to teach her. I give future Arrow -- be he Connor Hawke or John Diggle, Jr. -- a pass because he's in the future and Ollie should have a legacy. I'm fine with lots of great archers in the world, I just don't understand why they all feel the need to come to Star/ling City.

But eleven different bowmen/women in 5 seasons is a bit much.

At this point I half expect that the next time magic is a thing in that town, someone will resurrect Howard Hill from the dead.


Damon,

Magic IS a thing in this town. Also you're forgetting about Laurel possibly coming back from the dead.

Maybe. Dunno.


Sorry, I meant to say the next time magic was a primary focus in town; as was noted upthread they've moved it to the back burner after Darkh.

Not clear on what the possible resurrection of non-archer Laurel has to do with the number of bow slingers on the show.


Damon,

She's a super hero that doesn't use a bow and arrow?


If hes like the comic book Prometheus I see the link between arrow and flash this season in the comics Prometheus worked for dr alchemy. but I don't think that this is that Prometheus (that one had super powers) more likely the second person to bear the name. If it is the second one then set is probably right about wanting to beat arrow with a bow.


Vid,

I honestly keep thinking Prometheus is actually Talia Al Ghul.


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Vid,

I honestly keep thinking Prometheus is actually Talia Al Ghul.

Really? I don't see it can you let me in on why?


Vid,

Mostly because they said she'd be showing up in the next few episodes of the season.

That's really it.


Oh maybe prom is just related to the league of assassins, the body type of prom didn't look right to be Talia, plus it doesn't seem like her style to me.


Yeah I don't think Prometheus is Talia


MMC,

Well so far people might be right since unless Talia also get arm marked/slashed, it looks like Quentin is some how becoming the vengeful Prometheus. Which is kind of weird...


Yeah super weird I am lost completely on that one. I mean they say alcohol can make you a demon but...

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I'm not sure I believe it. There's still room for it to be a red herring. Booze is great, and blackouts are a thing, but it shouldn't make cranky old Quentin able to leap off buildings, outfight people like Tobias Church and master skills he's never actually practiced (like archery).


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O O I just thought of a theory. maybe this has to do with alchemy giving people powers from their alternate life and in Quentins alternate life he became Prometheus after Oliver got his daughter killed or something. A full on alternate identity created instead of just an overlay.

Although probably unlikely I don't think they want that kind of cross over between series but you never know

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
O O I just thought of a theory. maybe this has to do with alchemy giving people powers from their alternate life and in Quentins alternate life he became Prometheus after Oliver got his daughter killed or something. A full on alternate identity created instead of just an overlay.

That's pretty cool, and, therefore, unlikely, since I think you've put more creative thought into that idea than the writers of the show have. :)


I'm thinking Quentin is Prometheus is an intentional red-herring on the latter's part to continue to screw with Lance (and by extension Ollie.)

If Prometheus was completely focused on Ollie I could see it, but I don't see Quentin, even a bizarre alcohol-induced alternate personality Quentin, being able to fight like that or carelessly slaughter his way through hordes of cops just to send a message.


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Yeah, I'm having a hard time with Quentin = Prometheus too... Maybe he's being possessed/controlled by some outside force as Prometheus?

Just a wild thought, is it possible that Slade made it off of Lian Yu somehow? It would help explain the skillset.


Speaking of Slade, who was the red and black Deathstroke-wannabe that Church hired supposed to be?


Kal,

I think that was Scimitar. *checks* Yep Scimitar.

As for the overlay thingie, I'm with Set. It would be more brain power than the writers have proven to have since this series started.


I'm not finding a DC Comics character by that name. (Even searching for "Scimitar DC comics" is giving me hits for a Marvel character.


Kalshane,

No one has. But that's what he's listed under according to the credits.

My guess? Slade.


Soo...Viligante...I dunno how I feel about him but apparently!

Spoiler:
Evelyn Sharp/Artemis is working for Prometheus


So it looks like they are doing multiple "minor bads" and allowing Prometheus to kind of dwell in the background as a threat. Not bad idea really. I was honestly expecting Vigilante to be a villain of the week.


If he ain't a cowboy he ain't Vigilante.
Preferably singing about gray and blue.


Bjorn,

This is the modern take on Vigilante, not the wild west one.

MMC,

Meh I'd still like major bad doing bad things. But I guess it is how it it is.


No, really?
I would never have guessed.


I think they are setting up Curtis/Mr. Terrific for a realization that he just can't cut it without some enhancement.

In this most recent episode, not only was he beaten up (again), He fails/stumbles/looks stupid multiple times in the training sequences. At some point, he's got to say "I need to start using my brainpower" to himself. The man who essentially cured paralysis can certainly come up with some toys.


Bjorn,

I'm not good with sarcasm.

Ramarren,

Yeah I keep waiting and waiting for that. So far...it's not happened. Maybe when they have the team up/crossover?

Also apparently now Evelyn is on team Prometheus.


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Bjorn,

I'm not good with sarcasm.

I'll try to keep that in mind.


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I just like to say my idea was way better then theirs.


Ramarren wrote:

I think they are setting up Curtis/Mr. Terrific for a realization that he just can't cut it without some enhancement.

In this most recent episode, not only was he beaten up (again), He fails/stumbles/looks stupid multiple times in the training sequences. At some point, he's got to say "I need to start using my brainpower" to himself. The man who essentially cured paralysis can certainly come up with some toys.

I want the little floating orbs so bad.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
I want the little floating orbs so bad.

Even weaponized drones, or versions of the T-spheres that he can toss to adhere to the ground, wall or ceiling, and unleash gas, sonic, strobes or explode on command or when triggered, could be awesome, and better than running into danger and getting punched a lot, since he's kind of not-great at hand-to-hand...

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Well, he will be meeting Cisco in the 4-part crossover, and in the Arrowverse, Cisco is the guy who creates tech based superhero gear. So maybe they'll team up on creating the orbs for Mister Terrific.


Joel,

GOD I hope so. I think if he could have Cisco help him with the invention of the T-Spheres, awesome.


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I hope he manages to invent them on his own. Let him be Mr. Terrific, not "Mr. I get by with a little help from my friends"


I agree, Curtis may not be quite the 'quick-create gadgeteer' that Cisco is, but he's already shown that he has significant intellect and the ability to create practical applications of technology.


Bjorn,

But so far he's not done ANYTHING technologically innovative other than the ability to get stabbed, punched and shot at. Do I think he could do it? Yes. But so far the writers haven't done that!


Thus the use of the word 'hope'.


Bjorn,

Maybe but right now Hope is in short supply and I'm not Barry Allen, the god of Hope and Speed.


odds are they are laying the groundwork to give a reason for Curtis to turn to a tech approach. They are just really really taking there sweet time about it.


MMC,

It must be because we're already...what 8-9 episodes in?


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Bjorn,

But so far he's not done ANYTHING technologically innovative other than the ability to get stabbed, punched and shot at. Do I think he could do it? Yes. But so far the writers haven't done that!

Well... we already SAW T-spheres last season... do... something unimpressive. I can't remember much other than saying "Hey! T-spheres!! I guess maybe Curtis IS mr. Terrific...", not to mention cure paralysis... I just don't understand why they are pushing this 'Olympic athlete' angle so much when he's just so VERY bad at it...

Part of me thinks that having Cisco get him armed up will really diminish the concept of 'Mr. Terrific'... the other part really hates Curtis and is fine with either getting him in the game, or killing him off...

But his current status quo REALLY needs to change. Felicity would be better in the field then he is. If all he's good for is working in a lab... then put him in a lab.

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MMC,

It must be because we're already...what 8-9 episodes in?

And that's what bugs me, is that they seem to be writing this for a 22 episode season, so we are going to have a third of a season of Curtis getting his butt handed to him, a third of a season of him having confidence issues because of it (perhaps after either getting badly hurt, or someone else getting badly hurt because of his suckitude), when he thinks he's useless, and finally him getting hit by the clue-by-four and realizing that he can tech up and be a different sort of badass.

But since they are already milking that snake on Legends of Tomorrow, first with Nate 'wah, I don't have powers, I'm useless!', then with Ray, 'wah, I lost my super-suit, I'm useless!', on the Flash, with Wally, 'wah, I'm not a speedster, I'm useless!' and on Supergirl, with Jimmy, 'wah, build me a super-suit so I won't be useless!' I'm just a *tiny* bit bored with this wannabe-hero-who-just-needs-some- inspirational-advice-from-Piglet arc.

I want Curtis to become a cool teched-out Mr. Terrific, and I'd prefer for him to develop the tech, after, at best, some 'cowboy the f up' advice from Cisco, but, with all the other similar arcs going on in the WBverse, I'd be equally willing to see Curtis die a fiery death and never be mentioned again, at this point.


Phantom and Set,

So basically you're both of the same mindset, kill him or else get him to power himself up somehow.

One point of clarification I think needs to be said, Set, is that Wally has ALWAYS been a speedster. But regardless, I do agree with your point that we don't need more wah people in the WB DC verse isn't needed, especially Guardian James Olsen.

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