I might get them, depending on whether or not my FLGS decides to take them in, and on how much they cost. It would certainly be nice to have the errata incorporated into the books.
It says "On sale September 18, these 3.5 Edition premium reprints feature new covers and the latest errata..."
I might be interested, depending on what they mean by "new covers". If it's a proper leather bound tome like the 30th anniversary edition of Call of Cthulhu, I will definitely snatch them up. If they're still the same hardcover material they always were, then I'll pass. I am a sucker for shiny book presentation.
Ok Im confused, I have just seen this. Is this a limited run or something or are wizards just re-releasing 3.5 again?
Why bother? why would a new player want to pick this up when Pathfinder has ironed out all the problems and produced a better format to the game?
Also each book is £33 so if you buy all 3 retail it would cost £96, buy the pathfinder books it will cost you £63..
Wizards are really scraping the barrel here I think. Just my opinion though.
A new cover and errata only..come on
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Indeed, I prefer 3.5 over PF. PF in my opinion didn't "iron out all the problems". I would say that PF addressed some problems, they caused some things that weren't problems to become problems, they created some totally new problems, and some problems they just ignored.
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I have a copy of the PHB. It feels a little heavier and is a bit thicker than my original printing. I have not done a page by page comparison yet, but I don't think it is worth the $50 I paid. I did not notice any new art, but it does have a page in the back detailing the polymorph subschool.
It's all just a last ditch money grab from them on old editions, till "5th edition" comes out and they drop any previous edition like a bad habit, as usual.
It's all just a last ditch money grab from them on old editions, till "5th edition" comes out and they drop any previous edition like a bad habit, as usual.
*yawn*
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Ok Im confused, I have just seen this. Is this a limited run or something or are wizards just re-releasing 3.5 again?
Well, it may be just the core books being re-released like they did with the AD&D books, however if these sell well, they may also reprint some supplements - my basis for this is that WotC sent out a survey asking what 3.5 books people would like to see reprinted.
Its basically a way to rebuild some goodwill from those who prefered 3.5 over 4e and thus may not be inclined to check out D&D Next (IMHO, they should as it looks good). Its also a way to generate some revenue while they playtest D&D Next.
Why bother? why would a new player want to pick this up when Pathfinder has ironed out all the problems and produced a better format to the game?
Firstly, in terms of new players, they may want to pick these up over Pathfinder because they have joined a group that is playing 3.5 and not PF. However I do believe the key market for these would be previous 3.5 players who want an extra copy of the core books, want to update their copies for the errata (me), perhaps sold their 3.5 books and now wish they hadn't, or simply want the collect-ability factor of the new core books.
Secondly, as Digitalelf already stated, some people don't feel Pathfinder is the superior game, I am one of those people (maybe a PF 2e will be).
Thirdly, also despite the 3.5 OGL Compatible logos, Pathfinder material is not 100% compatible with D&D 3.5 (just look to see how many people request conversions of 3.5 stuff!) and so if someone wanted to run Eberron they may better be served by 3.5 rather than PF.
Also each book is £33 so if you buy all 3 retail it would cost £96, buy the pathfinder books it will cost you £63..
Its a bit expensive, but I have the money, and I already own the PF core book and bestiary (and a few more) so the cost comparison is not an issue for me.
Also, the cost to benefit needs to take into account how much use the person will get out of the books - if a person is playing more 3.5 than PF then the 3.5 books may be a better investment.
For example, I will likely get more use out of these 3.5 core books than I will out of my PF books (as I only play PF for PF Society). I have GMed 11 sessions of 3.5 this year (and that is despite having a few sessions cancelled and only playing fortnightly so as to alternate with a 4e campaign) whereas I have only managed to play 2 and GM 3 PFS sessions this year, so on a cost per session basis the 3.5 books would work out cheaper; £8.72 per session for 3.5 compared to £12.60 per session for PF (using your figures).
Wizards are really scraping the barrel here I think.
I personally think it is a clever business strategy - reach out to those 3.5 players they may have inadvertently alienated to build some goodwill in the hopes that they may check out D&D Next, or perhaps buy some of the 3.5 content that WotC are apparently going to make available electronically (not sure if that will be PDF or not yet).
When WotC stopped printing 3.5 they took flak, and now they print improved core books they take flak, so WotC may as well take the route they feel they will make more revenue from.
Just my opinion though.
Yep.
A new cover and errata only..come on
Yep, come on! I can't wait :)
Considering the last 3.5 PHB I was watching on Ebay went for £17.26 + £3.75 postage & packaging (total of £21.01) I am more than willing to pay an extra £7.03 (Amazon pre-order price is currently £28.04) to get a brand new copy with errata incorporated rather than a second hand copy.
I still have and run a 3.5 campgain. I would love to have this set just for the new covers. and as for the PBH it would make it my third.
I'll wait and see if they bother to release a PDF version. If so, I'll be happy to buy it. Otherwise I already have the original books.
I guess I will get them. Showing WotC that there is a demand for 3.5 stuff can only be a good thing. Besides, books decay and having an extra set is a good thing. Also, errata!
Are these any different from the leatherbound versions of the core books? I have those and I thought that they included all the errata.
-Aaron
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Are these any different from the leatherbound versions of the core books? I have those and I thought that they included all the errata.
-Aaron
I am not sure but I imagine they included all the errata that was available at the time of their printing. I assume more errata came out subsequently and that has been included in these.
I would check your copies against the errata found here.
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Im surprised that some posters expected more than a reprint. Wotc mentioned it would onl be a reprint with errata. Nothing more. So its not like they promised something and offered something else. Personally I woulld have done it with 2E books because the 3.5 books are not that old and can take a beating imo. While easily found used. And why would they not want to make a profit off it. Sertiously why do gamers still act naive when it comes to any company making a profit. Paizo is also in the business of making ap rofit (notice I said profit not greedY). Are some posters going to begrudge them for making more Pathfinder products. Oh wait some already do. I swear sometimes Wotc is damed if you do and damned if you don.t
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I swear sometimes Wotc is damed if you do and damned if you don.t
They could silence all nay-sayers by reprinting the D&D Cyclopedia and then WotC would be revered as gods! Statues of Mr Mearls would line streets around the world, people passing by the statues would bow their heads and weep at his most awesome decision making powers of what to reprint. Of course by doing so they would kill every other fantasy RPG as people see the radiant glory that the D&D Cyclopedia is. Ah the holy wonder of the blessed tome, will we ever see your likes again.
There are only those who have seen the light of D&D Cyclopedia and those who live in RPing darkness...
Fairies? As far as I know, they have not been statted out in at least any recent edition of D&D... Pixies, nixies, atomies, grigs, splanxtys, cold riders, yes, but not fairies...
...oh god, kill me now. =)
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You think said game is worth worshipping and I'm the crazy one?*edges away from the crazy*You play a game with Elves and Fairies and I'm the crazy one?!
Next you will be telling me you don't wear home spun Hessian underwear while RPing.
All I can say young Mr Zero is ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
But I think that sums everything up nicely :)
I have the leather bound books. Didn't they have the latest errata?
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I have the leather bound books. Didn't they have the latest errata?
As I stated in upthread I am not sure but I imagine they included all the errata that was available at the time of their printing. I assume more errata came out subsequently and that has been included in these.
I would check your copies against the errata found here.
There are going to be some in Finland too, right? ...right?
I think the 3.5 Rules Compendium also included rules errata over the existing core 3.5 books at the time (late 2007 I think). It would have been nice to have bundled that book into this deluxe reprint set.
The collector in me wants these. The practicalist says let them go since I have 3.0, 3.5, 3.5 leather bound and Pathfinder - and I'm playing Next beta at the moment anyway. So I'll probably skip them or just put them on a birthday/Christmas list.
L
P.S. I'm hoping that late next year they do the deluxe reprint of the 1991 Rules Cyclopedia as the holiday special in advance of the release of D&D Next at Gen Con in 2014 for the 40th Anniversary.
Not for me. The memory from my 3 original core rule books is all what I need. I smile whenever I see them on my shelves.
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I think they look really nice over all. The covers are slightly paler than the original, sort of looking like print on demand copies, and lack the 3D feel of the original, but still nice. I like 3.5 more than I do Pathfinder, like Pres Man said, it fixed some, didn't fix more, and tended to create even more overall. I think that 3E has an attitude in their game that says to players "yes, here is how you do it" while Pathfinder tends towards "no, you can't do that, but instead do this" (which isn't really the same thing you want).
I do plan on getting the PhB and DMG when I can afford it, hopefully voting with my money might do something (doubtful).
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3.5/PF is really only backwards compatible for DM's and adventures, and even that has really gone away about a year after the Core book came out.
I still think that 3.5 had better balance, more and better options across the board, and was all in all a better game, (being able to accomidate more different styles of play without destroying the game half as much as PF), but tat's my experience and opinion.
All PF really did was shift the balance issues around, shift some problem areas around (creating more along the way), and tend to leave players and DM's more in the dark as to how things are suppossed to work, or what the intent behind rues was.
Not to mention that on more than one occasion, different devs have given official answers that directly contradict what other dev's official answers to a problem is. I mean there are still questions and issues with the Core book first printing coming up in the forums that Paizo has said over and over that they will get to answering in a FAQ, today.
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3.5/PF is really only backwards compatible for DM's and adventures, and even that has really gone away about a year after the Core book came out.
I still think that 3.5 had better balance, more and better options across the board, and was all in all a better game, (being able to accomidate more different styles of play without destroying the game half as much as PF), but tat's my experience and opinion.
All PF really did was shift the balance issues around, shift some problem areas around (creating more along the way), and tend to leave players and DM's more in the dark as to how things are suppossed to work, or what the intent behind rues was.
Not to mention that on more than one occasion, different devs have given official answers that directly contradict what other dev's official answers to a problem is. I mean there are still questions and issues with the Core book first printing coming up in the forums that Paizo has said over and over that they will get to answering in a FAQ, today.
That's quite a lot of jade there over that Cleric armor proficiency problem of yours :)
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That's quite a lot of jade there over that Cleric armor proficiency problem of yours :)Mendev Priest and Crusader fixed all that. . . :)
It only took a few real world years
Unlike the 3.5 wildshape, Cleric > Fighter at fighting problems which took ... well, it never happened until ... hey, Pathfinder :)
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I think you believe way to much of what you read on the internet, my friend. :)
Errr. No :)
3.5 wildshape: broken, because a Druid could run around with dumped physical stats, since ws allowed him to swap all three for some crazy number thanks to dumpster diving a turbo doom boar or whatever from some obscure book. So, melee killing machine + full spellcasting. That, gone.
3.5 Cleric with Nightsticks + Persist Spell + Divine Metamagic + Buffs: broken, because suddenly you have a full caster class in heavy armor that's better than Fighter at the only thing that Fighters are good at, read: melee combat. That, gone.
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Magus, Druid, Bard, HellKnight Signifier. Also note that with Ult Equip, the whole 24 hour long buff thing is back. Yep, sure is great that PF fixed that. . .
I'm not saying that Divine metamagic couldn't be used to break the game. I am saying that that isn't the Cleric. And there where a lot of builds across the classes that could do the same thing. But they are more extreme cases, and Pathfinder has NOT neglected to do these things either.
One thing I have come to dislike in 3.5, is spells like sleep and deep slumber. You really shouldn't have different spells that are basically just a heightened versions of other spells. Some classes are limited on how many spells they can know, and little things like that are annoying. Why not just say, if you prepare this as a x-level spell it then affects creatures up to Y HD?
Of course as bad as that is, it isn't PF's polymorph chains of spells. Jeez, talk about going the wrong direction. Let's split one spell into 80 individual spells.
Does this mean my original 3.5 books are outdated trash now?
Not all errata is good. So I'd say no, but I want you to give me those books.
Does this mean my original 3.5 books are outdated trash now?
Yes, you should send them to me for proper disposal.