Wow, this thread got double necro'd.
Its turning into the lich of threads.
If a thread is one of the top google results for a question, i'd rule that its not a necro. It is a public resource now.
That's a fair point, though I'm not sure how the forum guidelines feel about that.
...if I were the DM i would likely make my own decision based on party balance rather than on the rules. For a 2h power attack barb who is just trying to beef up damage i might rule no, despite the raw not saying no, to help keep other players competitive...
-.25 base attack, -2 to 3hp, slower access to barbarian rage powers and class abilities...for +1d6 in certain situations? Can't say I'm impressed with that approach. If all you're doing is trying to deal more damage, go for it. There are better ways.
With that said, I will agree that anyone trying to break the game they're playing--no matter how ineffectively their attempt--should be shut down. And hard.
-.25 base attack, -2 to 3hp, slower access to barbarian rage powers and class abilities...for +1d6 in certain situations? Can't say I'm impressed with that approach. If all you're doing is trying to deal more damage, go for it. There are better ways.
With that said, I will agree that anyone trying to break the game they're playing--no matter how ineffectively their attempt--should be shut down. And hard.
If the barbarian wants sneak attack without sacrificing their core abilities they can do it via Fiendish Obedience[shax]-Exalted. Sure, you have to be decently high level to pick it up, but 5d6+10 sneak attack damage per attack seems like a nice addition. At that point they probably even qualify for Accomplished sneak attacker, letting them bump it up to 6d6+12.
As someone noted earlier, the feat Coherent Rage lets you use Stealth while Raging.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/combat-traits/coherent-rage/
Also, the Urban Barbarian and Urban Bloodrager both can elect bonuses to Dex while raging [unlike the normal rage that disallows most Dex skills] and it's called Controlled Rage or Controlled Bloodrage for a reason. "When using a controlled rage, an urban barbarian gains no bonus on Will saves, takes no penalties to AC, and can still use Intelligence-, Dexterity-, and Charisma-based skills."
Otherwise, you could get Sneak Attack while using Rage, by being invisible, flanking, or have the opponent flat-footed from losing initiative or being feinted, etc.
Can I personally sneak attack while raging?
Yes.
Cornugon Smash + Intimidate + Shatter Defenses would allow you to deal SnA dmg.
As someone earlier said, Coherent Rage will specifically allow you to Stealth while Raging.
I dunno about the Stealth as Move Action and THEN Rage as a Free Action thing, at least not without Coherent Rage. Anything you do after passing a Stealth check can prompt a new Perception v. Stealth check, so if you successfully Stealth and then enter into a Rage and charge a guy, you're going to make noise from charging (and entering the Rage itself). I dunno, maybe I see it differently than others. I think of the Hulk when I think of a Barbarian Raging, and there's almost no chance you'd miss the "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAARAWRARAAWR", stomp stomp stomp, and clanking armor/bags/equipment unless you're deaf or you're in a 120decibel+ industrial setting.
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Are you doing it right now?Can I personally sneak attack while raging?
Yes.
No!
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If a thread is one of the top google results for a question, i'd rule that its not a necro. It is a public resource now.
Necroing refers to the act of resuming a dead thread, not just reading it.
Like for example continuing a debate with people who have long since moved on to different stuff in the years since.
Wizards of the Coast answered this question in an official FAQ.
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/01/Main35FAQv0630 2008.pdf
The answer is yes (page 23). While this FAQ is specific to 3.5 D&D, I see no reason to disallow it from Pathfinder.
The actually relevant FAQ is this one: "The name of a class feature (...) is flavor text, not rules text."
Because let's face it, no one would ask this question if the ability would've been named "Opportune Attack" or something.
If a thread is one of the top google results for a question, i'd rule that its not a necro. It is a public resource now.Necroing refers to the act of resuming a dead thread, not just reading it.
Like for example continuing a debate with people who have long since moved on to different stuff in the years since.
If it helps normalize necromancy in the public's eye, I'm all for it.
Business is booming, so I am on board with it too.
Because let's face it, no one would ask this question if the ability would've been named "Opportune Attack" or something.
Yes they would. The point of the question is to nerf an ability; if this pretext did not exist another would be found/invented. Remember, people have tried to claim that you cannot use good tactics while raging and you cannot reload a firearm while raging.
Yes they would. The point of the question is to nerf an ability; if this pretext did not exist another would be found/invented. Remember, people have tried to claim that you cannot use good tactics while raging and you cannot reload a firearm while raging.
People claiming something doesn't work and people asking if it works are completely different things.
Reloading an (early) firearm does require concentration in real life, if we took the word in the Rage description to not be a game term related to spellcasting, it would indeed prevent reloading. Most people have probably personally experienced or at least seen first hand that rage hampers rational though, an integral part of making smart, tactical decisions. So these claims aren't in any way ridiculous, but are merely a case of gameplay/mechanics not matching flavor/real life experience. Both are also activities similar to ones that Rage explicitly forbids.
Sneak Attack only falls into the same concept because people think that it has something to do with "sneak". If the ability had a different name, people wouldn't experience this mechanics/flavor-segregation in the first place.
Sure there are people who debate against the rules because they don't like them, but I believe genuine questions only come from the name.
Yes they would. The point of the question is to nerf an ability; if this pretext did not exist another would be found/invented. Remember, people have tried to claim that you cannot use good tactics while raging and you cannot reload a firearm while raging.
Because let's face it, no one would ask this question if the ability would've been named "Opportune Attack" or something.
If it wasn't for the fact that I have seen GMs claim the following about Paladins I would agree.
1. Paladins can't sneak attack because it's dishonorable. Even though 3.5 which we were playing had a feat to help paladin rogue multiclass.
2. Acting first is an act of aggression so you couldn't attack an opponent until they attacked you or your party.
3. Flanking is dishonorable just like sneak attack you can't do it without falling.
Thou mustn't use the high ground.
Thou shalt not debuff thine foe to gain an advantage in combat.
Thou shalt follow thine creeds and customs to ad nauseum for the purpose that it completely wrecks the morale of anyone adventuring with you, and if questioned in thine practices, thou must respond "it's what my character would do".