Furry-hater here, in answer to the question, "Why are gnolls OK, but my catgirl isn't?"
Snide answer: The point of gnolls isn't to be cuddly and/or sexy.
Better answer: Using furries can be very campaign-specific.There's a place for your cat-girl PC. If your group has a bunch of emo college people, then I'd assume dhampirs and anthros are stock requirements. If your whole group thinks it's awesome to be cute, and grooves on rainbows and ponies and snuggle-piles, and likes to picture the PCs as cartoons, then your group should most certainly include anthros!
But if the entire group is playing hard-bitten human adventurers seeking to overthrow oppressive evil, and you pop in with a super-sexy catgirl who wants to lick the other characters while they're readying their weapons and spells, it can easily jar the others out of their immersion. In this case, including your furry is exactly like including Jar-Jar Binks in Star Wars movies.
You sir, have just won teh interwebz.
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It essentially boils down to when you arrive at the table to game, are you role playing a character or are you role playing your fetish? If it's the former and it fits within the campaign, then more power to you. But if it's the same character every. single. time. then you need to focus on the conventions that support that niche or find a consenting adult and another room.
This isn't limited to furries, either. I'm not here to understand someone's nuanced definition. I'm here to slay the dragon possessing the GM's McGuffin. I'm sure no one wants to hear me invoke Internet Rule 34 with each dice roll made.
EDIT: Okay, there might be a couple of you, but I digress ...
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I thought invoking rule 34 was what you do!
You sir, have just won teh interwebz.Furry-hater here, in answer to the question, "Why are gnolls OK, but my catgirl isn't?"
Snide answer: The point of gnolls isn't to be cuddly and/or sexy.
Better answer: Using furries can be very campaign-specific.There's a place for your cat-girl PC. If your group has a bunch of emo college people, then I'd assume dhampirs and anthros are stock requirements. If your whole group thinks it's awesome to be cute, and grooves on rainbows and ponies and snuggle-piles, and likes to picture the PCs as cartoons, then your group should most certainly include anthros!
But if the entire group is playing hard-bitten human adventurers seeking to overthrow oppressive evil, and you pop in with a super-sexy catgirl who wants to lick the other characters while they're readying their weapons and spells, it can easily jar the others out of their immersion. In this case, including your furry is exactly like including Jar-Jar Binks in Star Wars movies.
But I like Jar-Jar Binks...
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But I like Jar-Jar Binks...
You have been identified for reeducation, citizen. Please come along quietly.
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The internet is the only place I've ever even heard of "furries"... :/
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Furry-hater here, in answer to the question, "Why are gnolls OK, but my catgirl isn't?"
Snide answer: The point of gnolls isn't to be cuddly and/or sexy.
Better answer: Using furries can be very campaign-specific.There's a place for your cat-girl PC. If your group has a bunch of emo college people, then I'd assume dhampirs and anthros are stock requirements. If your whole group thinks it's awesome to be cute, and grooves on rainbows and ponies and snuggle-piles, and likes to picture the PCs as cartoons, then your group should most certainly include anthros!
But if the entire group is playing hard-bitten human adventurers seeking to overthrow oppressive evil, and you pop in with a super-sexy catgirl who wants to lick the other characters while they're readying their weapons and spells, it can easily jar the others out of their immersion. In this case, including your furry is exactly like including Jar-Jar Binks in Star Wars movies.
And what if my catgirl character isn't cute and doesn't groove on rainbows and ponies and snuggle-piles? And only licks other people to see if they might be good to eat?
Anthros (even cat people) have a long tradition in fantasy and science fiction that has nothing to do with anime.
What if I'm thinking Kzin or Hani when I suggest a cat folk character?
You can have this problem with oversexed elves and I have encountered that.
What if I'm thinking Kzin or Hani when I suggest a cat folk character?
Then I'd see no difference between that and playing a half-orc. Monte Cook was obviously shooting for the Kzin thing when he made litorians a core race for his Diamond Throne setting.
But I submit that of people wanting to play catfolk, about 5% are thinking Kzin, 45% are thinking Thundercat toons, and the remaining half are thinking this kind of stuff.
Hani. I recognize the author, maybe I'll pick it up.
The cover art looks pretty Jar-Jar to me, but, sadly, that's often the case. Presumably the writing is not at a preteen level.
Furry-hater here, in answer to the question, "Why are gnolls OK, but my catgirl isn't?"
Snide answer: The point of gnolls isn't to be cuddly and/or sexy.
Better answer: Using furries can be very campaign-specific.There's a place for your cat-girl PC. If your group has a bunch of emo college people, then I'd assume dhampirs and anthros are stock requirements. If your whole group thinks it's awesome to be cute, and grooves on rainbows and ponies and snuggle-piles, and likes to picture the PCs as cartoons, then your group should most certainly include anthros!
But if the entire group is playing hard-bitten human adventurers seeking to overthrow oppressive evil, and you pop in with a super-sexy catgirl who wants to lick the other characters while they're readying their weapons and spells, it can easily jar the others out of their immersion. In this case, including your furry is exactly like including Jar-Jar Binks in Star Wars movies.
And you lack the creativity to incorporate both in a good campaign?
Damn, for once I have to admit I am disappointed in you, Kirth. And I don't even like furries that much.
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And you lack the creativity to incorporate both in a good campaign?
Damn, for once I have to admit I am disappointed in you, Kirth. And I don't even like furries that much.
Not wanting such in your campaign is not the same thing as a lack of creativity incorporating such in your campaign.
And you lack the creativity to incorporate both in a good campaign?
I'm one person out of five or six. Which leaves one Furry, three or four people who want to lynch the stupid yiffer, and me in the middle. Creativity isn't the issue there -- self-preservation is!
Not wanting such in your campaign is not the same thing as a lack of creativity incorporating such in your campaign.And you lack the creativity to incorporate both in a good campaign?
Damn, for once I have to admit I am disappointed in you, Kirth. And I don't even like furries that much.
Good answer. TOZ's made me laugh, while Kirth's was also amusing but in a different way.
Hani. I recognize the author, maybe I'll pick it up.The cover art looks pretty Jar-Jar to me, but, sadly, that's often the case. Presumably the writing is not at a preteen level.
That cover art's by Michael Whelan you heathen!!!
The writing in the Chanur books is way past preteen, but don't by that omnibus; Pride of Chanur is a stand alone book; Chanur's Venture, The Kif Strike Back and Chanur's Homecoming are a trilogy, and then there's Chanur's Legacy, another stand alone. For some reason known only the marketing geniuses at DAW Books, that omnibus contains a stand alone novel and the first 2/3 of a trilogy.
On topic: If Aslan/Hani/Kzinti are cool like half orcs and catgirls aren't, wouldn't that suggest the issue is with player behavior rather than character race?
On topic: If Aslan/Hani/Kzinti are cool like half orcs and catgirls aren't, wouldn't that suggest the issue is with player behavior rather than character race?
I think about banning humans. They are sooo annoying jerks!
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On topic: If Aslan/Hani/Kzinti are cool like half orcs and catgirls aren't, wouldn't that suggest the issue is with player behavior rather than character race?I think about banning humans. They are sooo annoying jerks!
You said it; every single problem player I've had has been human!
On topic: If Aslan/Hani/Kzinti are cool like half orcs and catgirls aren't, wouldn't that suggest the issue is with player behavior rather than character race?
Half-orcs can be problematic in a different way: they're the standard go-to race for people who don't want to develop a character, or think about the game, or anything else except to yell "Hulk SMASH!" And again, there's a campaign somewhere for people who, in the words of my good friend Jamie, just want to "f~~$ some s&$$ up!" However, in a campaign focused on problem-solving, role-playing, and so on, they're REALLY annoying.
So I wouldn't say that half-orcs are automatically "cool." I'd say they're cool if played according to what the group wants. Likewise, I wouldn't say that catgirls are automatically uncool; they're cool if (and only if) that's what the group wants. It's the people who insist on using them to passively-aggressively "punish" a group that has a different playstyle and/or expectation that are a problem.
But the fact is, there are certain races that are tailor-made to be absolutely irresistable to those sorts of people. Half-orcs for the smashers; catpeople for the yiffers; and kender for the annoying smarmy obnoxious disruptive ones.
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Well obviously I've been having fun wrong all this time. That's it, I'm rolling half-Kirth next Snarkfinder campaign.
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Any character of any race or class is only as annoying as its player.
As a GM you may pick and choose what races you allow.
In my Kingmaker game I wanted to start with a "classic fantasy" so only allowed CRB races.
In Skull & Shackles I allowed Tengu, Ratfolk (bilge rats!), Vanara (monkey combat!) and Catfolk (Garundi panther people). I don't like Catfolk for the same reason I don't like cats, but some players do and so I allowed them. My Ratfolk will be skavenesque plague carriers, and my monkey folk will be Vudrani. Thematically it makes sense for there to be more of a cultural melting pot in the shackles. Anthropomorphic animals are a seasoning in my games.
I'm no furry, but I like that Paizo makes an effort to make its animal races hew to mythological and fable styled tropes.
But I like Jar-Jar Binks...You have been identified for reeducation, citizen. Please come along quietly.
Citizen? Pffft. Actual teachers hard a difficult time educating me, so what good are you?
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Citizen? Pffft. Actual teachers hard a difficult time educating me, so what good are you?
Actual teachers are constrained by the law. I suggest you do not make it worse for yourself.
Yeah, you come through the interwebz and we'll see what happens.
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Yeah! Tell 'em! Stick it to the man! ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH! HAIL ERIS!
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ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!
Ensirio, I think we're internet buddies now.
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Oddly, my problem is players expecting or insisting that the person playing the half-orc be all "hulk smash" when the character is anything but.
Actually, thinking back, I've seen more cases of other players trying to force expectations of negative stereotypical behavior onto ______ players than bad behavior coming from the _____ player him/herself.
Oddly, my problem is players expecting or insisting that the person playing the half-orc be all "hulk smash" when the character is anything but.
Actually, thinking back, I've seen more cases of other players trying to force expectations of negative stereotypical behavior onto ______ players than bad behavior coming from the _____ player him/herself.
That's even more depressing! Thankfully, when Mundane rolled up her first half-orc -- a nobleman's bastard scorned by his human father because of his ugliness and "uselessness" -- the other players had no problem taking it in stride.
135 posts with this one and the OP has yet to respond to a one, So, asumming that none of the removed posts were the OP's this thread was started as a troll at the Furry community in gaming.
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As long as the conversation remains civil, I have no issue.
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The trolls only win if they conversation stops being civil. We're totally winning.
If the conversation turns uncivil, we're feeding the trolls. If we don't feed the trolls, they starve and we win.
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135 posts with this one and the OP has yet to respond to a one, So, asumming that none of the removed posts were the OP's this thread was started as a troll at the Furry community in gaming.
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I simply want to know if I'm the only one who is annoyed by this.You've complained about Bards, Rangers, Children playing the game, game costs, Elves, Girlfriends, and now Furries.
Would it kill ya to start a thread that's not griping about something for once?
Wow.
Okay, I'm with Orthos. Is there anything about Pathfinder the OP actually likes?
hating things.
Carry on my wayward son.
Is it the season finale of Supernatural already????
Carry on my wayward son.Is it the season finale of Supernatural already????
I'll be playing that at the start of every final session for each AP in Carrion Crown
speaking of Furries, i had an idea for a family of human characters that started with the father whom was a beast in human flesh.
the oldest daughter is a self taught swordsman that wields a katana, fights dirty, and has cheated the powers of the divine. she worships no god because she cheated them out of the secret to her divine casting. she would be mechanically represented as a godless battle oracle.
the middle daughter is an intellegent mage and a gifted inventor who has taken up archery to diversify herself. she is the mage and ranged support of the 3. she would be a sage sorcerer who goes ranger then arcane archer.
the youngest daughter is an assassin who fights equally well both unarmed and with daggers. her body bears enchanted scars that mimic magic items, she is the face, scout, and leader of the 3. she would either be a rogue/monk or a ninja/monk.
the father, a man with the personality of a savage beast, a tiger reincarnated as a man. a beast in human flesh, he would be an invulnerable rager beast totem barbarian.
the mother, a shaman of the winds who calls upon the power of nature to do her tasks. she is a witch of the wind and is calm and contemplative and manipulative. she would be an oracle of storms.
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There's a place for your cat-girl PC. If your group has a bunch of emo college people, then I'd assume dhampirs and anthros are stock requirements.
Ugh, emo is college now? I feel old.
As someone engaged to a furry (and I suppose one myself but I would much rather go to a gaming con, trek con or LARP than a fur con). You see like all things it is a spectrum not a toggle. People are individuals, to some being furry is a lifestyle, to others it is just entertainment, to some it is a sexual fetish only (and specifically not a lifestyle). How about we stop trying to judge people based on inaccurate perceptions of the entire group lest we become the same as those who think the chick tract is an accurate portrayal of gaming?
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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@Thejeff Holy Parallel development, Batman!
If a male wanted to have a voice on the council, he could attempt a ritual of bonding with a sabertoothed tiger, where he'd go into the woods using just his skill and natural claws. (In game terms, have an animal companion or leadership feat). If successful, he can take a seat on the council.
Unmarried females (or females who aren't 'first wives' with their husband's permission) could also attempt the rite. If they were successful, they too had a seat on the council, but were treated as males by the tribe in all aspects, including the ability to take wives.
@Kirth One of my character ideas is a half-orc wizard who is high int, average to high Cha, and the toothy trait. He looks big and scary, but is well spoken and erudite.
@Cordian We can only work from known data. Do you know any real gamers that match a Jack Chic tract? I know a friend of mine, involved in the local D/s community who gets squicked out by furries. Others are also working from anecdotes.