How can I make my druid build better


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Heya im pretty new to pathfinder since i play only for 6 month, And i wanted to build a gnome druid and build it to deal damage only. since we dont need heal in ur group we already got 2. So i wanted to play a damage dealer druid

This druid is not builded yet but i will start lvl 5 whit her cause my barbarian just get trow off a huge tower by a lamia matriarch.....grrrr i hate her :P

First at lvl 1 i chose to cast spell instead of getting a companion so i get the artic domain.
My lvl 1 feat is skill focuss (knowledge nature )

Then lvl 3 feat eldritch heritage ( sylvan ) so i get my companion but whit a lvl of -5 so i cant get it now

finaly at lvl 5 i take (bond companion or boon companion not sure of the name )thats give me a +4 at the lvl of my companion so his lvl will be only at -1

i will take a snow leopar whit mount trait so i can use it as a mount to help me move faster and get a better mobility since gnome only got 20 feet move and whit sprint i can get up to 500 feet :P

and now im stuck there i know i will take armor craft to make myself a dragonhide armor to get more ac
i got no idea on what i should take for my wild shape or my lvl 7 feat

if you got any idea to help me improve it to deal more damage il be realy happy

PS: this druid stat are already rolled but i can still change evrything
PPS : im reasy sorry about my anglish it a segond language for me.


Read this:

Treantmonk's Druid Guide, chapter two

Follow the instructions.


beej67 wrote:

Read this:

Treantmonk's Druid Guide, chapter two

Follow the instructions.

i know this guide i already read but tyvm got some hint for wild shape there i forgot about.

but i think i did not explain it well i want to make her more a spell caster than a melee fighter


akiyuki wrote:
beej67 wrote:

Read this:

Treantmonk's Druid Guide, chapter two

Follow the instructions.

i know this guide i already read but tyvm got some hint for wild shape there i forgot about.

but i think i did not explain it well i want to make her more a spell caster than a melee fighter

Druids can be OK at dealing damage with spell casting, but it wont be their best route. Wildshaping with an animal companion will yield the most damage for sure.

That said, if you want to be a spellcaster damage dealer, the weather domain (or it's subdomains) or the storm subdomain (with air) would likely be a good idea, along with the storm druid archetype from ultimate magic. You wont be doing as much damage as say an evoker, or certain sorceror archetypes, but its hard to overstate the value of being able to spontaneously cast call lightning (and eventually control weather).


akiyuki wrote:

Heya im pretty new to pathfinder since i play only for 6 month, And i wanted to build a gnome druid and build it to deal damage only. since we dont need heal in ur group we already got 2. So i wanted to play a damage dealer druid

This druid is not builded yet but i will start lvl 5 whit her cause my barbarian just get trow off a huge tower by a lamia matriarch.....grrrr i hate her :P

First at lvl 1 i chose to cast spell instead of getting a companion so i get the artic domain.
My lvl 1 feat is skill focuss (knowledge nature )

Then lvl 3 feat eldritch heritage ( sylvan ) so i get my companion but whit a lvl of -5 so i cant get it now

finaly at lvl 5 i take (bond companion or boon companion not sure of the name )thats give me a +4 at the lvl of my companion so his lvl will be only at -1

i will take a snow leopar whit mount trait so i can use it as a mount to help me move faster and get a better mobility since gnome only got 20 feet move and whit sprint i can get up to 500 feet :P

and now im stuck there i know i will take armor craft to make myself a dragonhide armor to get more ac
i got no idea on what i should take for my wild shape or my lvl 7 feat

if you got any idea to help me improve it to deal more damage il be realy happy

PS: this druid stat are already rolled but i can still change evrything
PPS : im reasy sorry about my anglish it a segond language for me.

I don't think you can get Sylvan unless your GM houserules it, assuming you can even get wildblood lines with EH to begin with.

Because the Sylvan level 1 bloodline ability is both a bloodline ability and arcana. EH only gives you bloodline stuff. Anyway getting a druid pet for 2 feats would be pretty OP.

You can do the same thing by just getting the animal domain, without any of the rules issues. Obviously the animal domain spells will not be quite as good.


the prerequise for sylvan is the same as fey since its a subdomain so i get the knowledge nature there to meet the prerequise of the bloodline and because im a gnome thats basicly got fey blood so my gm aprove it. whit the link beej67 give me i find somthing i forgot about

lvl 7 feat natural spell to cast in wild shape so i can cast frost bite in combat and summun even in wild shape

artic domain is a subtipe of ice domain ... well i think its in ultimate magic


akiyuki wrote:

the prerequise for sylvan is the same as fey since its a subdomain so i get the knowledge nature there to meet the prerequise of the bloodline and because im a gnome thats basicly got fey blood so my gm aprove it. whit the link beej67 give me i find somthing i forgot about

lvl 7 feat natural spell to cast in wild shape so i can cast frost bite in combat and summun even in wild shape

artic domain is a subtipe of ice domain ... well i think its in ultimate magic

No it is not the same as Fey, read the sylvan bloodline again, it replaces both the 1st level bloodline power and the arcana, so it should be considered both. EH only grants bloodline abilities not the arcana.

However, since your GM oked it, I shouldn't bother with whether it is breaking the rules or not.


akiyuki wrote:
beej67 wrote:

Read this:

Treantmonk's Druid Guide, chapter two

Follow the instructions.

i know this guide i already read but tyvm got some hint for wild shape there i forgot about.

but i think i did not explain it well i want to make her more a spell caster than a melee fighter

Then read Chapter One instead.


but the bloodline arcana is not a bonuss thats the choosen bloodline give you ? il all bloodline you got an arcana thats give special bonuss ?


akiyuki wrote:
but the bloodline arcana is not a bonuss thats the choosen bloodline give you ? il all bloodline you got an arcana thats give special bonuss ?

Yes, all bloodlines have an arcana that give a special bonus. However Eldritch Heritage and its improved and greater versions give access to bloodline POWERS, not bloodline Arcana. You cannot get the arcana except as a sorceror


Kolokotroni wrote:
akiyuki wrote:
but the bloodline arcana is not a bonuss thats the choosen bloodline give you ? il all bloodline you got an arcana thats give special bonuss ?
Yes, all bloodlines have an arcana that give a special bonus. However Eldritch Heritage and its improved and greater versions give access to bloodline POWERS, not bloodline Arcana. You cannot get the arcana except as a sorceror

yep its what i was thinking but the POWERS of sylvan is animal companion so i dont understand why gignere was talking about an arcana prerquise well mabie i did not understand well and im sorry

for wild shape im realy stupid i read the rule like 5 time and i still dont understand here the problem do i chose 1 wild shape i can do 1/day
at lvl 5 or i can chose multiple animal form and i can only take 1/day


Yeah, I think Kolokotroni is correct. By RAW you can't get the animal companion with Eldritch Heritage and the Sylvan bloodline. You actually won't get anything. So Sylvan is kinda hosed for EH.

Many GM's might allow it anyway though. So check with yours.


i was thingking about somthing else too as a druid if my wisdom is drain to lower than 10 im prettymutch useless so i was thinking to take a lvl in ranger or fighter only one lvl to get the weapon profencie whit bow or crosbow so when im out of spell and wild shape i can still do somthing is thats a good idea ????


akiyuki wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
akiyuki wrote:
but the bloodline arcana is not a bonuss thats the choosen bloodline give you ? il all bloodline you got an arcana thats give special bonuss ?
Yes, all bloodlines have an arcana that give a special bonus. However Eldritch Heritage and its improved and greater versions give access to bloodline POWERS, not bloodline Arcana. You cannot get the arcana except as a sorceror

yep its what i was thinking but the POWERS of sylvan is animal companion so i dont understand why gignere was talking about an arcana prerquise well mabie i did not understand well and im sorry

for wild shape im realy stupid i read the rule like 5 time and i still dont understand here the problem do i chose 1 wild shape i can do 1/day
at lvl 5 or i can chose multiple animal form and i can only take 1/day

You have a certain number of times per day that you can wildshape. Each time you wildshape it can last up to 1 hour per level (you can dismiss it if you choose) and each time you use it it can be whatever animal you choose (subject to dm approving the fact that you know of this animal).


akiyuki wrote:
i was thingking about somthing else too as a druid if my wisdom is drain to lower than 10 im prettymutch useless so i was thinking to take a lvl in ranger or fighter only one lvl to get the weapon profencie whit bow or crosbow so when im out of spell and wild shape i can still do somthing is thats a good idea ????

Honestly if you are really worried about this, take the feat, not a class level, choose weapon prof longbow or something. It isn't worth losing a level of druid.

That said, this is where your domain selection is important. If you for instance select the air domain, lightning arc gives you something to do when you run out of spells, and will likely always be better then any bow or melee weapon you would use.


Gnomes can be pretty good blaster druids, actually. Depending on the sources available to you, consider the following:

- Fire Domain (check with your GM to make sure you aren't fighting fire resistant stuff the whole time!)
- Magical Lineage trait (for free intensified Fireball)
- Pyromaniac racial trait: +1 spell level to all fire spells
- Outlander (Missionary) campaign trait (from APG): +1 DC and Spell level to 3 divine spells of your choice (like Burning Hands, Fireball and Fire snake)
- Menhir Savant archetype: +1 caster level to any spell 6+ times per day
- Varisian Tattoo: +1 Spell level to 1 School (Evocation)

Remember that you can put Domain spells in higher domain spell slots, too. So you can fill your domain slots for spell levels 3-9 with Fireballs avoiding a few pretty lackluster spells. Get Highten and/or better Meta Magic to make this even better.
Feats you might want include Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus (Evocation), Elemental Focus and Greater Elemental Focus (Fire), Intensified Spell, Dazing Spell. And ask your GM how he wants to handle preferred spell with domain spells. Get it for Fireball, too if he allows it - or wait until Fire Snake is available. Same goes for Spell Perfection.

In the end, you can cast 15d6 Fireballs with a +4 DC as early as level 11. Even at level 5, you'll already have access to 9d4 (intensified) Burning Hands and 9d6 Fireballs.
And even if you encounter fire resistant enemies, your Spell Focus, Varisian Tatoo and archetype will still give your non-fire Evocation spells quite some punch, making you less of a one trick pony.

And if all else fails: You're still a druid! Summon some trees that eat your foes alive or something! ;)


oooooo those fireball look deadly :P

im running rise of the runelord right now so i got absotutly no clue about the enemy we will encouter we are curently at the beggening of the third book but one of the main reason i was taking artic domain is for the afliction its give you like sleet storm lvl 3 thats can make a npc lose some round searching for you or at lvl 4 the wall of ice thats make the enemy helpless giving you a chance to deal a (coup de grace)
and then lvl 7 wind walk thats let you escape dangerous situation whit fly but if you tell me all the incoming creature are cold resistan i will take fire :P the damage you can do is insane :P


I'm not sure how Wall of Ice makes your enemies helpless. And the other spells you want (Sleet Storm and Wind Walk) are on the druid's spell list anyway.

As for the AP, I can only offer a VERY minor Spoiler (should be save to read for you as player):

Spoiler:
I don't know too much about Runelords (I just started GMing at all and will probably get to the Anniversary Edition once it's released) but from what I've seen so far, I'd say fire resistant enemies should not be a common issue. Sure, there will be a few, but it's not like you're fighting demons non-stop. I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. And as I said, your other Evocation spells can still be cast at +2 spell level and DC. I think you'll be fine :)


Hum as i was reading comment i find a new idea. I want a companion and my spell so bad and the only ways to get them other than taking 3 feat thats blow aways 3 usefull feat thats can improve my fire damage ... seriously thing il change for fire
its to waist one lvl as a druid and take a lvl in sorcerer so i save up the feat and i can get the bloodline i need + i will get more spell to cast in the case thats my wisdom is drained and i can get feat to improve damage and spell casting.

ps: yea i got a very bad meeting whit this lamia matriarch not to spoil her name.


I don't think multiclassing is a good idea. The whole point of the Fire build is to maximize your caster level.

Getting a single level as sorcerer won't do you any good. Your companion will stay as weak as a level 1 companion forever - meaning he will be one-shot by the first area affect that hits you. Your "emergency spells" won't work for you either because you'll most likely use armor and a shield as caster druid (I now I would), so you'll face like 30+% arcane spell failure. You're probably better of using a sling or your fire bolt domain ability.

Also, is there any RP-reason for you to want the companion so badly? Because build-wise, he's simply not neccessary. If you are worried about your speed, just cast Longstrider every day. Or simply turn into a bird! (Don't forget to take Natural Spell at level 5)


yea its all about RP using spider climb to walk on celing on the back of my companion as a gnome i need to do interesting thing and walking on the floor is boring lol the bleaching is goinng to come and get me ( paranoid gnome ) also for moving at a decent speed but i can also take wild shape and take deino(*"?&$%* cant spell it right ( vélociraptior) so i can move at 60 speed if my gm allow it
thats the main reason why i want one so bad

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