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Maybe we can come to a consensus on a few things. I'll pick 10 because it is the number of choice.
1. There is no wrongbadfun in your home game as long as the people in your home game are having a good time. If you want to have flying invisible unicorns pooping rainbows of destruction, get down with your bad self.
2. Discussions on the boards are not about your home game (unless it is actually a discussion of your home game, involving the people in your home game exclusively.)
3. If you post about how things "should" be, expect someone to disagree with you, and understand you posted the statement on a public forum, so you opened up your opinions to critique.
4. Most rules discussions on here are driven to either find consensus for a generally accepted style of play or to push for rule changes. This is, by it's nature, a place where people will disagree.
5. The game is very complicated, and there are different "goals" for different groups (see pooping rainbow of doom in #1). Your goal isn't "the" goal.
6. If you claim the game is "broken" or something is "under" or "over" powered, you don't get to be offended when people question if you are following the rules. You are claiming the rules don't work, so you are basically asking for people to verify you are following the rules.
7. If you propose a rule change,you don't get to be offended when people question if you are following the rules. You are claiming the rules don't work, so you are basically asking for people to verify you are following the rules.
8. You always have the right to remain silent, so anything you post can and will be used against you when you are debating a topic, particularly if you contradict yourself.
9. All of us will be wrong at various times about various things. All of us. It usually goes better for you to admit it and move on, (Although digging in is more fun for others to watch.)
10. It ain't personal. If it becomes personal...dude...it's an internet discussion about an imaginary world...seriously?
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Number 10 is overpowered.
You dim-witted hunk of bronze. Cleave can only be used with slashing weapons. Otherwise, it might as well be a 4e Power.
Never mind that, can you Cleave with it?
I doubt it. Vital Strike, on the other hand...
Does a houserule that you plan to use in your home game count as about your game?
2. Discussions on the boards are not about your home game (unless it is actually a discussion of your home game, involving the people in your home game exclusively.)
I only disagree with this one as we can actualy only dicuss our home games with any truth. It is our home games that shape our opinions and play styles. So really that is the only thing people talk about. It should be more ' Understand that your home game does not reflect everybody elses game.' Or something like that.
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2. Discussions on the boards are not about your home game (unless it is actually a discussion of your home game, involving the people in your home game exclusively.)I only disagree with this one as we can actualy only dicuss our home games with any truth. It is our home games that shape our opinions and play styles. So really that is the only thing people talk about. It should be more ' Understand that your home game does not reflect everybody elses game.' Or something like that.
Your home game shapes your view, but your house rules aren't universal.
Many people bring assumptions to the table and get offended when people point out they are house rules, not actual rules.
Does a houserule that you plan to use in your home game count as about your game?
I don't know that it follows this thread's Rules As Written.
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I think someone has poop envy.
Taste the rainbow.
Wait... so there are now 10 rules about how I can or cannot discuss the rules on a free internet forum? A forum, btw where I have total anonymity, and could opine like a flame-baiting jack-arse just to see how people react. What if I don't want to discuss the rules according to your 10 rules? What if I want to make up my own 10 rules about discussing the rules, and post rules questions according to those rules?
What if one of my rules about discussing the rules was this: The internet is free (if you have access) post whatever you want whenever you want, and get as mad as you want about whatever you want, because they haven't invented a button yet that lets you hit people with a hammer across the internet.
What then?
What if one of my rules about discussing the rules was this: The internet is free (if you have access)
(and as long as the people running the website you're using tolerate your presence there)
What if one of my rules about discussing the rules was this: The internet is free (if you have access)(and as long as the people running the website you're using tolerate your presence there)
Too true! This necessitates rule #2 make sure that when following rule #1 you do not exceed the bounds of what the website moderators consider tolerable. :)
So, if I'm following this correctly, ciretose and ragnarok are having some kind of proxy war with new threads to hash out some spat over ciretose criticizing rag's proposed house rule in the homebrew forum?
You know what pisses me off about this? I had to spend 10 minutes figuring out what the hell it's all about, and both of the spawned threads are pretty much useless to any meaningful discussion. Rather we get two thinly veiled appeals for support, and a continuing discussion from an unspecified thread.
I made the mistake of thinking people actually wanted to discuss the role of house rules and/or public consumption rules and/or the popular state of the game, or any such topic.
You're both pretty smart. Can we drop it? 'Cuz from my vantage, it looks like you're both partly in the wrong and too proud to do anything but escalate.
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What if one of my rules about discussing the rules was this: The internet is free (if you have access)(and as long as the people running the website you're using tolerate your presence there)
Agreed...
I find it amusing when people play the "Freedom of Speech" card (and therefore think they can say anything and oft-times everything they want without repercussions) on a privately owned and operated web site...
So, if I'm following this correctly, ciretose and ragnarok are having some kind of proxy war with new threads to hash out some spat over ciretose criticizing rag's proposed house rule in the homebrew forum?
You know what pisses me off about this? I had to spend 10 minutes figuring out what the hell it's all about, and both of the spawned threads are pretty much useless to any meaningful discussion. Rather we get two thinly veiled appeals for support, and a continuing discussion from an unspecified thread.
I made the mistake of thinking people actually wanted to discuss the role of house rules and/or public consumption rules and/or the popular state of the game, or any such topic.
You're both pretty smart. Can we drop it? 'Cuz from my vantage, it looks like you're both partly in the wrong and too proud to do anything but escalate.
Are you saying that somewhere on the Paizo forums there is actually a meaningful discussion happening!!!! Please link the thread. :P
Edit:@DigitalElf The thing is you can say whatever you want, the problem comes in with the repercussions. Revoking somebody's ability to post on one particular part of the internet doesn't usually prevent them from saying whatever it is they wanted to say. There are too many forums, and too many free (or cheap) to use blogging sites.
So, if I'm following this correctly, ciretose and ragnarok are having some kind of proxy war with new threads to hash out some spat over ciretose criticizing rag's proposed house rule in the homebrew forum?
Eh no. Ciretose didn't criticize any of my houserules, but I take it he misinterpreted my rant.
In the biggest ironies, I actually agree with all 10 of ciretose's rules posted here.
Oh alright then. I'm still very confused by these threads. It seems like I'm missing something causal. Sorry for the mistake.
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Rainbow poop is over powered.
I propose instead 7 different single colored poop powers available at different levels.
It can't be overpowered it's a 7th level wizard/sorcerer spell.
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So, if I'm following this correctly, ciretose and ragnarok are having some kind of proxy war with new threads to hash out some spat over ciretose criticizing rag's proposed house rule in the homebrew forum?
You know what pisses me off about this? I had to spend 10 minutes figuring out what the hell it's all about, and both of the spawned threads are pretty much useless to any meaningful discussion. Rather we get two thinly veiled appeals for support, and a continuing discussion from an unspecified thread.
I made the mistake of thinking people actually wanted to discuss the role of house rules and/or public consumption rules and/or the popular state of the game, or any such topic.
You're both pretty smart. Can we drop it? 'Cuz from my vantage, it looks like you're both partly in the wrong and too proud to do anything but escalate.
Actually this had nothing to do with Ragnarok Aeon's post. There were a few unhappy campers in a number of threads taking all of this way to seriously and personally.
There are personal opinions and public opinions. One you can have without any risk of criticism, and one...well...I'm just sayin'
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Less talkie, more gamey!
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Agreed...I find it amusing when people play the "Freedom of Speech" card (and therefore think they can say anything and oft-times everything they want without repercussions) on a privately owned and operated web site...
Oh, there will always be repercussions... "Freedom of Speech" has never included "Freedom from Responses" (to what you've written or said...) ...or "Freedom from Responsibility" for what you say, write and do...
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Oh alright then. I'm still very confused by these threads. It seems like I'm missing something causal. Sorry for the mistake.
I think there are two types of regular posters (as of course all things can be easily divided into two categories...)
One side has strong opinions about how the game should be played and what rules mean, but realizes it is just a game and these are just message boards and getting upset in real life because someone on the internet disagrees with you is kind of silly.
One side has strong opinions and take things that strangers post on the internet personally and don't understand that if you don't want people to disagree with you, the internet isn't the best place to hang out.
Why roll dice? ... just take 10 or take 20...
... shots :)
-TimD
P.S. ... and if 10-20 shots don't get you drunk, feel free to come drinking with me at D*Con! I'm always looking for folks who can hang without me accidentally killing via alcohol poisoning...