Synthesist Summoner Feat Question

[JAMES KENT 552]

I have a player that has asked a question. He is a Summoner with the Synthesist Archetype. He asked if the fact that when he is bonded to his Eidolon His strength would be over 13. Can he take the Power Attack feat since part of the time he would qualify.

[Andrew R]

By the rules no.
As a dm i would probably allow it

[Jen the GM]

I just posted this yesterday.

By the rules, yes. Just have your Eidolon stay with the summoner for more than 24 hours (just skip sleep from one night). It becomes a permanent bonus, then you take power attack. It only works when you are fused, but that is really when you needed it, right?

[Lonwyr]

Jen the GM wrote:

I just posted this yesterday.

By the rules, yes. Just have your Eidolon stay with the summoner for more than 24 hours (just skip sleep from one night). It becomes a permanent bonus, then you take power attack. It only works when you are fused, but that is really when you needed it, right?

Jen the GM is right: Just like all boni you can maintain on a large timespann (24h+) you are qualified.

Somewhere the question was already awnsered... but I don't have time for a search^^
You can take it but it is only usable if you meet the prerequirements.
So a synthesist with Str 11 (and no Str-belt, buff, etc.) can take the feat but not use it till he has his eidolon (with Str of 13+) summoned.

Same as the good ol' Eldrich Claws and the druid.

[Andrew R]

Where is it written that having a buff makes you eligible?

[ShadowcatX]

Having a buff that persists for over 24 hours becomes "permanent." That is what makes a person eligible. Short duration buffs, do not.

[Andrew R]

ShadowcatX wrote:

Having a buff that persists for over 24 hours becomes "permanent." That is what makes a person eligible. Short duration buffs, do not.

Wow, serious cheese. All you need are long duration buffs to permanantly boost anything.

[ShadowcatX]

Andrew R wrote:

ShadowcatX wrote:

Having a buff that persists for over 24 hours becomes "permanent." That is what makes a person eligible. Short duration buffs, do not.

Wow, serious cheese. All you need are long duration buffs to permanantly boost anything.

If you loose the buff, its gone. Permanent here applies to things like gaining skill points, or gaining spells per day, or being able to select feats. It doesn't mean gain 24 hour bull's strength and then have +4 to strength for forever.

[Andrew R]

Still cheesy as hell

[DWIZ]

i don't see how it's cheese... all it allows you to do is spend a feat for a bonus that you only get some of the time.

[dragonfire8974]

Andrew R wrote:

ShadowcatX wrote:

Having a buff that persists for over 24 hours becomes "permanent." That is what makes a person eligible. Short duration buffs, do not.

Wow, serious cheese. All you need are long duration buffs to permanantly boost anything.

it isn't truly permanent, it is counted as if it was permanent for the purposes of feats bonus spells, skills yadda yadda yadda but it still goes away when the persistent effect ends

[Ravingdork]

Just wanted to point out that the synthesist form does not give you a bonus to ability scores, it REPLACES THEM ENTIRELY.

It is never not considered permanent (as far as the game rules and terminology are concerned at least), nor is it ever a "bonus."

Therefore, the rule about it going from a temp bonus to a permanent one does not even apply (since it's not a bonus of ANY kind).

Also, can someone point out the blanket rules that says bonuses become permanent after 24 hours? I've seen such a thing for ability score bonuses, but it was hardly a blanket rule if I recall.

[Andrew R]

Ravingdork wrote:

Just wanted to point out that the synthesist form does not give you a bonus to ability scores, it REPLACES THEM ENTIRELY.

It is never not considered permanent (as far as the game rules and terminology are concerned at least), nor is it ever a "bonus."

Therefore, the rule about it going from a temp bonus to a permanent one does not even apply (since it's not a bonus of ANY kind).

Also, can someone point out the blanket rules that says bonuses become permanent after 24 hours? I've seen such a thing for ability score bonuses, but it was hardly a blanket rule if I recall.

I think it is inn the PRD at the start of the magic item rules

[JAMES KENT 552]

I was told it could be considered like the druid taking feats that only applied while he was wild shaped. But I was looking for an answer.

Andrew R wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

Just wanted to point out that the synthesist form does not give you a bonus to ability scores, it REPLACES THEM ENTIRELY.

It is never not considered permanent (as far as the game rules and terminology are concerned at least), nor is it ever a "bonus."

Therefore, the rule about it going from a temp bonus to a permanent one does not even apply (since it's not a bonus of ANY kind).

Also, can someone point out the blanket rules that says bonuses become permanent after 24 hours? I've seen such a thing for ability score bonuses, but it was hardly a blanket rule if I recall.

I think it is inn the PRD at the start of the magic item rules

[Sean K Reynolds]

JAMES KENT 552 wrote:

I have a player that has asked a question. He is a Summoner with the Synthesist Archetype. He asked if the fact that when he is bonded to his Eidolon His strength would be over 13. Can he take the Power Attack feat since part of the time he would qualify.

Yes, he can, but would only be able to use it when his Str is 13+ (so being fused with his Str 13 eidolon qualifies).