My Thought on a "Schrodinger's Class"


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Likewise, I strongly believe that everyone should be required to study and be able to identify the philosophical foundations on which science is based.

Philosophy is useless. It hasn't contributed anything to society since it cranked out science, and science was basically a way of saying "you know what, trying to philosophize our way to an answer just flat out isn't working, lets TEST this junk we're coming up with"

*dons his helmet*

Your continued ignorance of the value of Hellknight Philosophy is disturbing, Northman. Especially given the obviously superior advancements of Chelaxian civilization compared to those of savage tribesmen and barbarian kingdoms.

Also, in Cheliax a wizard may sometimes memorize a complex and indeterminate spell based on the advice of a Devil tutor, and only later in the day is the precise nature of the spell understood by the wizard. In this way, Chelaxian wizards triumph over all other foes, because they have (potentially) memorized all spells at once (provided their Devil ally did not provide bad advice). Furthermore, Chelaxian cats have been observed by philosophers to exist between life and death up to eight times before an observably perilous event may be safely presumed to have killed them.

Philosophy is relief from the chaos of disordered thoughts. An open mind is as a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

*removes his helmet*


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Kegluneq wrote:
Also, in Cheliax a wizard may sometimes memorize a complex and indeterminate spell based on the advice of a Devil tutor, and only later in the day is the precise nature of the spell understood by the wizard. In this way, Chelaxian wizards triumph over all other foes, because they have (potentially) memorized all spells at once (provided their Devil ally did not provide bad advice). Furthermore, Chelaxian cats have been observed by philosophers to exist between life and death up to eight times before an observably perilous event may be safely presumed to have killed them.

Now I want to play a caster who uses divination to determine which spells to memorize each day.

Ok, maybe not. The GM would kill me.


Lincoln Hills wrote:
Artemis Moonstar wrote:
And on the topic of the Schrodinger's class.... What else do you expect of the people for the classes they love? Hell, all builds are entirely dependent on specific campaigns, and most people utterly useless in home-brew sandbox...
I expect folks who value 100% awesomeness in 1% of all situations to give a little credit to characters who are built to be only 50% awesome, but in 50% of all situations. Well, OK, I no longer expect that, but still... it'd be nice. (grimaces)

It'd be nice if they made girl scout cookies out of real girl scouts too and, at least, that's more likely to happen.


As a possible originator of the term "Schrodinger's Wizard" I'm quite pleased that the term has caught on. For those wondering why I the name, it was the association with the famous "Schrodinger's Cat" who was both alive and dead at the same time, the the general absurdity of arguing against a position/theory something that is never actually defined.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Likewise, I strongly believe that everyone should be required to study and be able to identify the philosophical foundations on which science is based.

Philosophy is useless. It hasn't contributed anything to society since it cranked out science, and science was basically a way of saying "you know what, trying to philosophize our way to an answer just flat out isn't working, lets TEST this junk we're coming up with"

You are actually proving his point.

Science does not exist as you seem to believe it does.
It is pretty much a broad array of non-unified methodological techniques
rooted upon distinct philosophic ideas/basis.

One cannot be a serious scientist without knowing the distinctions between different scientific methodological schools (i.g. instrumentalism , pragmatism , logical postivism , Polanyi theory o knowledge etc).

... and no, I am not defending my bread-winning or anything like that.
I am a mathematician.


Kegluneq wrote:
Especially given the obviously superior advancements of Chelaxian civilization compared to those of savage tribesmen and barbarian kingdoms.

AM DIRTY LIE. BARBARIAN AM WAY BETTER THAN ENTIRE COUNTRY OF CHELIAX. BARBARIAN DEVELOP SYSTEM CAPABLE OF COLLAPSING ENTIRE GAMUT OF ALL POSSIBILITIES EVER INTO SINGULARITY OF CERTAIN CONCLUSION IN SINGLE FULL ROUND ACTION.

AM CALLED RAGELANCEPOUNCE.

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*dons his helmet*

Yes. Quite. Ragelancepounce. How sophisticated. Clearly your priorities are in order.

A world where truth is defined by capacity for violence alone is pathetic.

*removes his helmet*


BARBARIAN YET TO FIND PROBLEM UNABLE TO BE SOLVED BY SMASHING THINGS.

THEREFORE, SMASH AM ANSWER TO ALL PROBLEMS.


A good example for the Cleric is the War Domain ability

Weapon Master (Su): At 8th level, as a swift action, you gain the use of one combat feat for a number of rounds per day equal to your cleric level. These rounds do not need to be consecutive and you can change the feat chosen each time you use this ability. You must meet the prerequisites to use this feat.

In theory this gives the cleric access to every non pre-requiste combat feat plus any pre-req feats he can qualify for, arguably he has all these feats, and none of them.


I'm not entirely sure why people think that Schrodinger's cat is a real experiment, it's a joke, I mean that in the literal sense: Schrodinger made that up as a "haha"-funny joke.

To make things worse it also falls apart when you take into consideration the cat knowing that it's alive, which if it doesn't know it's alive, then it's dead, just like every other creature in the kingdom animalia, or rather: it knows it's alive as well as anything/anyone knows they are alive.

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I am continually bemused by the number of people who believe that their righteous certainty should lead them to be rather unpleasant in the tone they take with other people.

Obviously that does not apply to the whole thread but there is a cruel streak running through some of this stuff.

Personally, I find the idea of trying to define science and philosophy in opposition to one and other is a needless and unhelpful false dichotomy. Sadly, it has reared its ugly head more than once on these boards.

Can we all agree to be kind?


Blue Star wrote:

I'm not entirely sure why people think that Schrodinger's cat is a real experiment, it's a joke, I mean that in the literal sense: Schrodinger made that up as a "haha"-funny joke.

To make things worse it also falls apart when you take into consideration the cat knowing that it's alive, which if it doesn't know it's alive, then it's dead, just like every other creature in the kingdom animalia, or rather: it knows it's alive as well as anything/anyone knows they are alive.

The point of the thought experiment is that you don't know whether the cat is dead or alive until you open the box.

The question is whether the wave function has collapsed into an "eigenstate" prior to your observation, or whether it is still in a superposition of states until the instant you open the box.

Ultimately, your interpretation is just as valid as any other. In the end, quantum mechanics still works no matter how you interpret it.

You can just work out the math using abstract states in a Hilbert space without any reference to interpretations.


Black Knight wrote:

The point of the thought experiment is that you don't know whether the cat is dead or alive until you open the box.

The question is whether the wave function has collapsed into an "eigenstate" prior to your observation, or whether it is still in a superposition of states until the instant you open the box.

Ultimately, your interpretation is just as valid as any other. In the end, quantum mechanics still works no matter how you interpret it.

You can just work out the math using abstract states in a Hilbert space without any reference to interpretations.

There's a room in which there is a scientist and a cat in a box. The cat is either alive or dead and the scientist has observed this.

The scientist is in superposition until we enter the room and ask the result of the experiment.

...

There is a person about to ask a scientist the result of the experiment. This person is in superposition until observed...

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Blue Star wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why people think that Schrodinger's cat is a real experiment, it's a joke, I mean that in the literal sense: Schrodinger made that up as a "haha"-funny joke.

No, it was meant to show the absurdity of some of the consequences on QM.


Kthulhu wrote:
Blue Star wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why people think that Schrodinger's cat is a real experiment, it's a joke, I mean that in the literal sense: Schrodinger made that up as a "haha"-funny joke.
No, it was meant to show the absurdity of some of the consequences on QM.

Which is supposedly funny to the individuals who deal in QM.


Wrath wrote:

Sooooo.......if the super optimized invisible flying caster with every possible trick can't be observed (since he's invisible), then he can't exist. Sounds just like light, which apparently doesn't exist until it hits something.

Weird

that sounds existentialist to me


I've just read through this whole thread and the question that comes to mind is:

when did I last use a d12?


MacFetus wrote:

I've just read through this whole thread and the question that comes to mind is:

when did I last use a d12?

As a character token when you forgot your nice painted mini at home.

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MacFetus wrote:

I've just read through this whole thread and the question that comes to mind is:

when did I last use a d12?

As a convenient way to track rounds in combat?

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MacFetus wrote:

I've just read through this whole thread and the question that comes to mind is:

when did I last use a d12?

The last time you leveled your ragelancepounce barbarian?

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