
fictionfan |

I am planing a for there to be a Strongest under heaven tournament. In the city of sidgals (no idea how that's spelled). The lady of pain is the judge. The thing is a a lot of people are going to join this tournament so I need a lot of npc's. Can anyone direct me to a to some where with a lot of npc's?
In case anyone is interested. I am splitting the tournament into the magic and marital devisions. Don't know where magus go. The party is level 11. I think I will have the tournament be no magic items. The prizes for the tournament is a staff of the magi for the the magic devision and I have not thought of what to have for the martial devision.

Xum |

Rules for duels exist both in UM for magic contests and UC for martial combat.
The society of sensation would sponsor this for sure. The name of the city of portals is Sigil and the Lady of Pain wouldn't care less about something like this. But, it's your game, so have fun.
A Vorpal Blade is always a good prize.

shalandar |

I am planing a for there to be a Strongest under heaven tournament. In the city of sidgals (no idea how that's spelled). The lady of pain is the judge. The thing is a a lot of people are going to join this tournament so I need a lot of npc's. Can anyone direct me to a to some where with a lot of npc's?
In case anyone is interested. I am splitting the tournament into the magic and marital devisions. Don't know where magus go. The party is level 11. I think I will have the tournament be no magic items. The prizes for the tournament is a staff of the magi for the the magic devision and I have not thought of what to have for the martial devision.
How about some more info on this? How to contact you? How it will be played? Etc etc.

fictionfan |

Rules for duels exist both in UM for magic contests and UC for martial combat.
The society of sensation would sponsor this for sure. The name of the city of portals is Sigil and the Lady of Pain wouldn't care less about something like this. But, it's your game, so have fun.
A Vorpal Blade is always a good prize.
I picked the city of portals because it is neutral ground so I can have all sorts of people there. I made the lady of pain judge, because I figured that would mean no cheating something my players are not above.
Shalander why do you need contact info? I plan on have a series of duels. I would like a idea for the preliminaries.

shalandar |

Xum wrote:Rules for duels exist both in UM for magic contests and UC for martial combat.
The society of sensation would sponsor this for sure. The name of the city of portals is Sigil and the Lady of Pain wouldn't care less about something like this. But, it's your game, so have fun.
A Vorpal Blade is always a good prize.
I picked the city of portals because it is neutral ground so I can have all sorts of people there. I made the lady of pain judge, because I figured that would mean no cheating something my players are not above.
Shalander why do you need contact info? I plan on have a series of duels. I would like a idea for the preliminaries.
I guess the way I was reading your post, was that you were going to start a game like that listed above for online play....sorry

Xum |

Xum wrote:Rules for duels exist both in UM for magic contests and UC for martial combat.
The society of sensation would sponsor this for sure. The name of the city of portals is Sigil and the Lady of Pain wouldn't care less about something like this. But, it's your game, so have fun.
A Vorpal Blade is always a good prize.
I picked the city of portals because it is neutral ground so I can have all sorts of people there. I made the lady of pain judge, because I figured that would mean no cheating something my players are not above.
Shalander why do you need contact info? I plan on have a series of duels. I would like a idea for the preliminaries.
There is enough power in sigil to avoid cheating, without going with the lady of pain. Antimagic field in an arena is not unheard of. For instance.
Preliminaries could be tests of might, magic and anything u can think of. More info would indeed help. If it's combat only there is no need for other tests.

RedPorcupine |

Sigil, the City of Doors, Nave of the Multiverse and most importantly neutral ground.
For this occasion i think powerfull outsiders would be allowed to enter the city and fight each other, i guess... way more colourfull.
Not sure if actually only the gods weren´t allowed to enter the city.
Anyways, Sigil is otherwise full of more or less strange factions. I remember the "Merykillers" and "The Harmonium" which definetely would send champions and the "Godkillers" of course.
Throw in demons, devils, outsider, Deva/Angels, bounty-hunters, warriors of reknown and the odd timetraveller, a lich, Dracula, the Hulk, a Valkyrie, Achilles...
Try to get Planescape-stuff to convert and start inventing background stories for different outsiders.

Xum |

Sigil, the City of Doors, Nave of the Multiverse and most importantly neutral ground.
For this occasion i think powerfull outsiders would be allowed to enter the city and fight each other, i guess... way more colourfull.Not sure if actually only the gods weren´t allowed to enter the city.
Anyways, Sigil is otherwise full of more or less strange factions. I remember the "Merykillers" and "The Harmonium" which definetely would send champions and the "Godkillers" of course.
Throw in demons, devils, outsider, Deva/Angels, bounty-hunters, warriors of reknown and the odd timetraveller, a lich, Dracula, the Hulk, a Valkyrie, Achilles...
Try to get Planescape-stuff to convert and start inventing background stories for different outsiders.
Only Gods can't enter Sigil. "Outsiders" fighting are actualy normal. They are not outsiders at all there, the players normaly are.

Xum |

Xum wrote:Well, yes. And with Level 11 it´s totally legitimate to stare wide-eyed and keep low profile. Wasn´t the Bloodwar at least sort of banned from the city ?Only Gods can't enter Sigil. "Outsiders" fighting are actualy normal. They are not outsiders at all there, the players normaly are.
Depends on the time you will be playing.
It looks like our guy there isn't going canon after all, cause the Lady of Pain NEVER interacts.So, he can do what he please. But going with a LOT of outsiders is the least he can do.
And the prize seem a little ... méh from what I can see.

Major_Tom |
We've done this in our campaign clear back to 1st edition. The inspiration for it came from a book called "Berserker Planet" by Fred Saberhagen. Not so much for the layout, that was just your basic 64 man down to one winner tournament. But as I was drawing up the NPCs, the names were a huge help, as well as the different weapon types they used. Thomas the Grabber, Omir Kelsumba, and Vlad the Nomad became NPCS to be reckoned with for years and years after the tournament.
For the martial, I recommend no magic at all, evreyone has masterwork everything. The answer we always give when someone whines about not getting to use their +6 gauntlets, or whatever, is that 'It's about who's the best fighter, not who has the best stuff."

fictionfan |

RedPorcupine wrote:Xum wrote:Well, yes. And with Level 11 it´s totally legitimate to stare wide-eyed and keep low profile. Wasn´t the Bloodwar at least sort of banned from the city ?Only Gods can't enter Sigil. "Outsiders" fighting are actualy normal. They are not outsiders at all there, the players normaly are.
Depends on the time you will be playing.
It looks like our guy there isn't going canon after all, cause the Lady of Pain NEVER interacts.
So, he can do what he please. But going with a LOT of outsiders is the least he can do.
And the prize seem a little ... méh from what I can see.
What would you recommend for a prize? It should be something that can't be bought and that would bring in people that would normally not go for this sort of thing, but although it should be very good it should not destroy the campaign if the players get it.

Xum |

Xum wrote:What would you recommend for a prize? It should be something that can't be bought and that would bring in people that would normally not go for this sort of thing, but although it should be very good it should not destroy the campaign if the players get it.RedPorcupine wrote:Xum wrote:Well, yes. And with Level 11 it´s totally legitimate to stare wide-eyed and keep low profile. Wasn´t the Bloodwar at least sort of banned from the city ?Only Gods can't enter Sigil. "Outsiders" fighting are actualy normal. They are not outsiders at all there, the players normaly are.
Depends on the time you will be playing.
It looks like our guy there isn't going canon after all, cause the Lady of Pain NEVER interacts.
So, he can do what he please. But going with a LOT of outsiders is the least he can do.
And the prize seem a little ... méh from what I can see.
A Minor artifact.
A demi-plane.An association in one of the factions, with high ranking post.
A map.
The real answer to one question.
Stuff like that, I would go with a map OR the Demi-plane.
PLEASE don't use the Lady, she is too cool to interact.
And don't be afraid to put powerful outsiders there.

Xum |

fictionfan wrote:Xum wrote:What would you recommend for a prize? It should be something that can't be bought and that would bring in people that would normally not go for this sort of thing, but although it should be very good it should not destroy the campaign if the players get it.RedPorcupine wrote:Xum wrote:Well, yes. And with Level 11 it´s totally legitimate to stare wide-eyed and keep low profile. Wasn´t the Bloodwar at least sort of banned from the city ?Only Gods can't enter Sigil. "Outsiders" fighting are actualy normal. They are not outsiders at all there, the players normaly are.
Depends on the time you will be playing.
It looks like our guy there isn't going canon after all, cause the Lady of Pain NEVER interacts.
So, he can do what he please. But going with a LOT of outsiders is the least he can do.
And the prize seem a little ... méh from what I can see.A Minor artifact.
A demi-plane.
An association in one of the factions, with high ranking post.
A map.
The real answer to one question.Stuff like that, I would go with a map OR the Demi-plane.
The BEST one would be a Deck of Many things. I love mixed blessings, but they shouldn't know the prize. The prize is "A POWERFUL ARTIFACT" and then, the Deck, it's awesome.
PLEASE don't use the Lady, she is too cool to interact.
And don't be afraid to put powerful outsiders there.

Xum |

isn't there a plane of battle that will ressurect fallen warriors daily? Ysgard? Based on Asgard of Norse myth?
Have the gods of battle collectively host and be the panel of judges. An inevitable might be the field referee.Prize... um +4 vicious adamentine weapon? A wish?
Yes, there is. Only those who fight with honor come back, and it's an aligned plane. Not really neutral ground.
There are spells that can avoid death and can be used on the Civic Festhall of Sigil for instance, actually, it has happened sometimes.

Mage Evolving |

I would do it in some out of the way city near the edge of civilization. The kind of place where heroes go to make a name or themselves and most end up dead.
You could have the contest run by the local armed forces. The cost of participating is a magic item or weapon. If you lose your weapon is lost and benefits the local troops in their war against the (name evil force). If you win you get something really awesome but over all the city benefits from not only being able to equip their troops with better armor and weapons but from the box office and the boost to morale.

Xum |

If you are going with Planescape campign setting. You could go with outlands, Neutral ground.
Sigil is not a bad idea, there is an Arena there, pretty big one.
Ysgard is not a bad idea, but only the worthy would return the next day, and it would be cool if your players didn't know that and saw people get butchered on the first rounds. Spellcasters would not return, unless they did 'mano a mano' combat with their spellcasting.
What Shadowcatx said is untrue. 11th level characters are VERY powerful, specialy in second edition days, when planescape was used.
The Lady of Pain is awesome in her own right. There are several stories about her, and that's the cool part. She is a Godess, a mistery and the power behind the city of doors, there is nothing stupid about her. Somethings are better left for imagination then described in a book, something AD&D did masterfuly.

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Xum wrote:PLEASE don't use the Lady, she is too cool to interact.Never got the love for the Lady of Pain. A character that has absoulutely no interaction with anything isn't a character. She's pointless and stupid.
She's a symbol more than anything, a force that no one can understand or control, a power that even the gods have to fear. Who is she? What is she? Why is she? From whence does she come? How did she grow so powerful without anyone, even the gods, knowing anything about her? Why did she slay Aoskar and why ban his worship?
And I never said 11th level characters weren't powerful, don't misquote me or put words into my mouth. They certainly are. However, they're not, normally, the most powerful people from their own world. The planes, however, gets the most powerful from every world.
What are 11th level characters going to do when they face, 1:1 a balor? Or a solar? And there are legions of those in the planes. Why wouldn't one of those, or thousands of those, enter the tournament?

Xum |

Kthulhu wrote:Xum wrote:PLEASE don't use the Lady, she is too cool to interact.Never got the love for the Lady of Pain. A character that has absoulutely no interaction with anything isn't a character. She's pointless and stupid.She's a symbol more than anything, a force that no one can understand or control, a power that even the gods have to fear. Who is she? What is she? Why is she? From whence does she come? How did she grow so powerful without anyone, even the gods, knowing anything about her? Why did she slay Aoskar and why ban his worship?
And I never said 11th level characters weren't powerful, don't misquote me or put words into my mouth. They certainly are. However, they're not, normally, the most powerful people from their own world. The planes, however, gets the most powerful from every world.
What are 11th level characters going to do when they face, 1:1 a balor? Or a solar? And there are legions of those in the planes. Why wouldn't one of those, or thousands of those, enter the tournament?
For one? They have much more important things to do.
If not, there may be a limitation by the tournament rules.
And I like not knowing anything about the Lady.

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fictionfan wrote:I guess the way I was reading your post, was that you were going to start a game like that listed above for online play....sorryXum wrote:Rules for duels exist both in UM for magic contests and UC for martial combat.
The society of sensation would sponsor this for sure. The name of the city of portals is Sigil and the Lady of Pain wouldn't care less about something like this. But, it's your game, so have fun.
A Vorpal Blade is always a good prize.
I picked the city of portals because it is neutral ground so I can have all sorts of people there. I made the lady of pain judge, because I figured that would mean no cheating something my players are not above.
Shalander why do you need contact info? I plan on have a series of duels. I would like a idea for the preliminaries.
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Shalander - see my post about Grudge Match - which is an online competition.

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For one? They have much more important things to do.
If not, there may be a limitation by the tournament rules.
The virtually limitless number of outsiders all have more important things to do than win an artifact? So you're relying on DM Fiat not to put anything more powerful than the pcs in the tournament despite the fact that the planes are full of them?
And I like not knowing anything about the Lady.
Here, I agree. I was point out why people liked her. She's a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
That said, IIRC she does actually enteract with the pcs in the adventure Die Vecna Die! More than usual at least. (But its a horrible adventure, and not planescape specific.)

Xum |

Xum wrote:For one? They have much more important things to do.
If not, there may be a limitation by the tournament rules.
The virtually limitless number of outsiders all have more important things to do than win an artifact? So you're relying on DM Fiat not to put anything more powerful than the pcs in the tournament despite the fact that the planes are full of them?
Quote:And I like not knowing anything about the Lady.Here, I agree. I was point out why people liked her. She's a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
That said, IIRC she does actually enteract with the pcs in the adventure Die Vecna Die! More than usual at least. (But its a horrible adventure, and not planescape specific.)
Well, she "interacts" in the torment novels too. If that "look" counts.
I think there SHOULD be things more powerful then the PCs, but Balors, Pit Fiends and Solars may be too much.
Besides, to be honest, even a "level apropriate" outsider will pound them to dust if no magic itens are alowed.