The monk's unarmed strike says that it can be considered a manufactured weapon for spells and effects. So can a monk apply poison to an unarmed attack? Can other classes?
Second Question:
Proficiency with unarmed strikes is listed under 'simple weapons' (p.142 main rules), indicating that unarmed strike is a simple weapon. Yet, unarmed strike is not listed under the monk's weapon and armor proficiencies (p.57 main rules). So does this mean a Monk striking with an unarmed strike takes a (-4 to hit) non-proficiency penalty?
see the feat Adder strike
and the monk is proficient with his fists. Don't ask me to cite it, just accept the non ridiculous interpretation.
...just accept the non ridiculous interpretation.
But then we wouldn't get to argue on the internet. :)
Well, considering a monk always lawful good and using poison on a weapon is definitely not a good act I would assume that the risks on that note alone would made the monk not want to use poison.
Monks must be lawful, but not necessarily lawful good. They can be LN or LE. Secondly, who says poison is inherently evil? I don't recall any rule forbidding good aligned characters from poisoning. I recall a rule saying a Paladin can't do it, but nothing saying other good characters can't.
Well, considering a monk always lawful good and using poison on a weapon is definitely not a good act I would assume that the risks on that note alone would made the monk not want to use poison.
Monks are always LAWFUL but not always good
Well, considering a monk always lawful good and using poison on a weapon is definitely not a good act I would assume that the risks on that note alone would made the monk not want to use poison.And to dredge up an old argument. using poison, by RAW, is not an evil act.
Hell, I object to the rule about Paladins not being able to do it.
Contact Poison: The poison is contracted when it comes in contact with bare skin. Not a good idea for unarmed strikes!
Except that 11th level monks are immune to all poisons, making them the most viable candidate for applying poison to bare skin.
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I envisioned the Thailand style (Mu Tai?) of wrapping your hands in cloth wraps and then using resin to stick broken glass on the wraps. Then add poison!
Even if inappropriate for a player, it makes a fun concept for an Lawful Evil Enemy.
Yes, you can absolutely poison your unarmed strikes provided you aren't using contact poison, or are immune to poisons.
Second Question:
Proficiency with unarmed strikes is listed under 'simple weapons' (p.142 main rules), indicating that unarmed strike is a simple weapon. Yet, unarmed strike is not listed under the monk's weapon and armor proficiencies (p.57 main rules). So does this mean a Monk striking with an unarmed strike takes a (-4 to hit) non-proficiency penalty?
A guy I used to play 3.5 with would talk about how terrible monks were and would always note how they weren't even proficient with unarmed strikes. Thus, I was very happy when we moved to Pathfinder and they included this under the heading "Simple, Martial and Exotic Weapons:"
All characters are proficient with unarmed strikes and any natural weapons possessed by their race. (CRB, page 141.)
On the subject of Monks and Immunity to Poisons, would the immunity prevent the contact poison from seeping into his skin, or would it just prevent it from effecting him?
The immunity would prevent it from affecting him.
Yes, but I'm wondering if that would prevent it from soaking in to his skin. If it did then you could smear contact poison all over your hands and smack some folk up, if not then you could smear the poison on your hands and it would just soak in to your skin, while not effecting you it would still be wasted.
The immunity would prevent it from affecting him.Yes, but I'm wondering if that would prevent it from soaking in to his skin. If it did then you could smear contact poison all over your hands and smack some folk up, if not then you could smear the poison on your hands and it would just soak in to your skin, while not effecting you it would still be wasted.
Can a Monk make unarmed attacks while wearing gloves? If so (and I think the answer should be yes), that'd solve the issue of poison soaking into their skin.
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Contact Poison: The poison is contracted when it comes in contact with bare skin. Not a good idea for unarmed strikes!
Then use some silk gloves, or olied cloth rags. Those won't count as armed attacks.
I can also envision crafting some poisonous gloves with tiny needles on the outside surface.
Non-contact Poison: This, being an injury poison but not a contact poison would require entering the bloodstream. An unarmed strike is a blunt weapon and does not draw blood, so putting this poison on your fist won't do you much good
Putting it on your fist won't, but putting it on your fingernails may.
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Contact Poison: The poison is contracted when it comes in contact with bare skin. Not a good idea for unarmed strikes!Then use some silk gloves, or olied cloth rags. Those won't count as armed attacks.
I can also envision crafting some poisonous gloves with tiny needles on the outside surface.
Non-contact Poison: This, being an injury poison but not a contact poison would require entering the bloodstream. An unarmed strike is a blunt weapon and does not draw blood, so putting this poison on your fist won't do you much goodPutting it on your fist won't, but putting it on your fingernails may.
considering several styles change monk damage...and monk damage becomes piercing on it's own at level 4 if memory serves...though the coffee hasn't kicked in so i could be misremembering. The styles though are still a valid method.
I have yet to see where I can't poison a bludgeoning weapon in the RAW.
I have yet to see where I can't poison a bludgeoning weapon in the RAW.
Don't believe so, but on that subject, if anyone's ever been in a fist fight or seen one, peoples faces get torn up along with the attackers knuckles.
Blunt weapons do tear flesh, even a sap can break skin.
I have yet to see where I can't poison a bludgeoning weapon in the RAW.
I think it's just as tasty as a bludgeoning weapon refined, although I admit that it doesn't blend as well with liquids. I might just go with brown bludgeoning weapon myself. Much more flavorful that way!