SMilodan
put a level in thug with the enforcer feat. Then the trait blade of mercy, with the trait that allows you to intimidate animals. It ends up if you hit they run away. It is epic.
I really want to try this...
SMilodan
put a level in thug with the enforcer feat. Then the trait blade of mercy, with the trait that allows you to intimidate animals. It ends up if you hit they run away. It is epic.
I hate it when the bad guys run away!!!
But they run in fear.
That first level Thug ability is pretty good....and the 3rd level ability that lets you make shaken folk sickened is just sick. Pun intended. 3 or 4 levels only cost 1 point of BAB, a few hit points. You can spend the rogue talents on Weapon Focus and another Combat Feat, or some tasty Intimidate tricks.
Pyromaniac cha 20 gnome draconic (red dragon) sorcerer with magical lineage (burning hands) and lingering spell. Creates at 1st level 2d4+2 pools of fire in a 10' cone that last a round.
Impractical because eventually he will run into fire resistant things, and topping out at 5d4+5 (10d4+10 with intensify spell). Of course, by then he can start tossing lingering fireballs...
Its good until you fight enemies who AoE.A Roman Legionary. Works in combination with two or three other players. Tower Shield specialists that make excessive use of teamwork feats and combined attacks to stay highly mobile, defensive, and strong.That sounds like it would actually be pretty great assuming you have 6 or so players built specifically to take advantage of them.
At the very least you'd have a party that could never be surprised, gets stronger when flanked, and likely has the potential for ungodly reflex throws. Throw in a few archers and make them all learn Target of Opportunity and you could have a real shield wall with arrow support deal going on.
Bonus points if all the melee dudes are Half-Orc Barbarians with Amplified Rage.
Of course this could be a freaking terrible combination of Feats but it sounds like it'd work (...which I guess is the point but whatever).
Make everyone take a couple of levels of Rogue or Monk? Or at least give them a Ring of Evasion.
It seems like such a fun build, it'd be a shame to let it go to waste.
Some sort of scryer diviner wizard would be neat. Use all his abilities to check out a location before the party gets near it. He'd could always procure the right tool for the job. Take improved familiar... even better spying!
These builds are growing more and more practical as this thread progresses.
The Legionary build is better for NPCs and such...
But they run in fear.
Meaning you have to CHASE them.
But they run in fear.Meaning you have to CHASE them.
Which means I can chase them down making it all the better!
Which means I can chase them down making it all the better!But they run in fear.Meaning you have to CHASE them.
Effort....
Effort....Which means I can chase them down making it all the better!But they run in fear.Meaning you have to CHASE them.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?Effort....Which means I can chase them down making it all the better!But they run in fear.Meaning you have to CHASE them.
See relevant username.
See relevant username.What do you mean?Effort....Which means I can chase them down making it all the better!But they run in fear.Meaning you have to CHASE them.
I see that now...
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Is a melee, non-dex based Lore Warden practical? Giving up medium and heavy armor seems like it would make this Fighter archetype suited only to archery or Weapon Finesse builds. I'm putting together a pole arm tripper Lore Warden, but I think the lack of AC from only having 14 dex and a chain shirt, with no shield, might make it impractical.
Is a melee, non-dex based Lore Warden practical? Giving up medium and heavy armor seems like it would make this Fighter archetype suited only to archery or Weapon Finesse builds. I'm putting together a pole arm tripper Lore Warden, but I think the lack of AC from only having 14 dex and a chain shirt, with no shield, might make it impractical.
Play them like you would a Rogue.
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Play them like you would a Rogue.Is a melee, non-dex based Lore Warden practical? Giving up medium and heavy armor seems like it would make this Fighter archetype suited only to archery or Weapon Finesse builds. I'm putting together a pole arm tripper Lore Warden, but I think the lack of AC from only having 14 dex and a chain shirt, with no shield, might make it impractical.
I don't have a ton of experience with rogues, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. Aren't rogues generally very dex focused? I know my one rogue PC started with 19 dex, and I plan on boosting that early and often.
My Lore Warden will have a pretty good dex (14) for Combat Reflexes with the pole arm, along with helping with AC, reflex, and initiative. But I need str to be my top stat for hitting both for damage and tripping, I need con for decent HP, and I need int to take advantage of the LW's skill focus. So the best I can do is 14 dex and a chain shirt, which gives me 16 AC until I start getting into magic items, which really isn't very good for a front liner.
I was thinking of just focusing on constitution and maybe using all those extra fighter feats to take Toughness, Dodge, and Mobility to help me survive.
@Fromper: What I am meaning is you should focus more on Flanking and such.
And keeping your enemy from being able to effectively hit you.
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I always wanted to build a Halfling Fighter who focuses on the sling staff. The idea would be a switch hitter type who doesn't actually switch weapons because his melee weapon IS his ranged weapon. So instead of Quick Draw, he takes Weapon Focus and stocks up on "pick a weapon" feats, knowing they'll apply in melee and at range.
A halfling sling staff with, say, flaming would apply to melee and ranged attacks too, right?
A halfling sling staff with, say, flaming would apply to melee and ranged attacks too, right?
If memory serves a Halfling Sling Staff is enchanted as a Double Weapon.
Play them like you would a Rogue.Is a melee, non-dex based Lore Warden practical? Giving up medium and heavy armor seems like it would make this Fighter archetype suited only to archery or Weapon Finesse builds. I'm putting together a pole arm tripper Lore Warden, but I think the lack of AC from only having 14 dex and a chain shirt, with no shield, might make it impractical.
I don't have a ton of experience with rogues, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. Aren't rogues generally very dex focused? I know my one rogue PC started with 19 dex, and I plan on boosting that early and often.
My Lore Warden will have a pretty good dex (14) for Combat Reflexes with the pole arm, along with helping with AC, reflex, and initiative. But I need str to be my top stat for hitting both for damage and tripping, I need con for decent HP, and I need int to take advantage of the LW's skill focus. So the best I can do is 14 dex and a chain shirt, which gives me 16 AC until I start getting into magic items, which really isn't very good for a front liner.
I was thinking of just focusing on constitution and maybe using all those extra fighter feats to take Toughness, Dodge, and Mobility to help me survive.
Maybe go half-orc and get the Ironskin feat for some natural armor bonus to AC.
And if you use reach, a lot of opponents may not be able to reach you.
Or drop a level in magus/sorcerer/wizard for shield and maybe enlarge person or truestrike. Or cleric/oracle for shield of faith etc. etc.
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SmiloDan has wonderful suggestions.
But remember if you have a good party they might be willing to give you said spells. Especially if you are willing to help pay for a wand of said spell.
I've been looking at Cleric of Irori 1 Monk 1 Inquisitor - as an idea so i could get channel neg energy and guided hand it would go something like this
Lvl 1 Cleric of Irori 1
Channel negative energy 6/day
Domains Restoration, Memory
Skills: Spell Craft 1 Diplomacy 1
Traits: Exalted of the Society, Magical Knack Inquisitor
Feats: Channel Smite, Guided Hand Improved unarmed Strike
Lvl 2 Master of many styles Monk 1
Skills Sense Motive 2 Diplomacy 1 spell craft 1
Feat: Snake Style
Lvl 3 Inquisitor of Irori Conversion Inquisition 1
Skills Sense Motive 2 Diplomacy 1 Spell Craft 1,
Feat Channeling Scourge
And continue with inquisitor from there possibly picking up versitile channeler later on.
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I think it would be neat to come up with interesting and fun party concepts. After all, one of the best features of RPG is the teamwork involved in overcoming obstacles, instead of competing against your friends.
I'd like to see a party called The Brethren:
1. Cleric
2. Inquisitor
3. Monk
4. Oracle
5. Paladin
Possibly in a witch-hunting campaign.
Possibly with a Cavalier of the Star.
A team full of bards. Then at mid levels you can all get hooked on pesh.
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@SmiloDan: Here is one of my parties that fits a Witch-Hunting campaign.
1. Cleric
2. Inquisitor
3. Cavalier
4. Oracle
5. Paladin
6. Witch (Was sanctioned by the church do to a vision their High Oracle had)
So jealous!!!
So jealous!!!
For what!?
If you mean the party then I can give you plenty of stories.
Especially since it technically is still going on. They are currently Level 3.
Yes and yes.
My party moved to Sweden.
Good thing all the Real Life bars are half a block from home.
how did "come out for 1 drink" end up to 4 AM?
I totally forget what we were talking about.
Anyways....
Better Mary Jane: Molly Quinn or Karen Gillan or however sober people spell her last name (Amy Pond from Dr. Whooooooooooooooo)
Better Mary Jane: Molly Quinn or Karen Gillan or however sober people spell her last name (Amy Pond from Dr. Whooooooooooooooo)
I'm assuming Mary Jane from Spiderman?
Karen Gillian.
Mostly because I don't know much about Molly Quinn, the only one of her works I've seen is bits and pieces of the Winx Club when it was still on 4Kids.
Though I choose neither if Karen can't do a good American accent. I like the woman as an actress, but Mary Jane being the girl next door, completely homegrown non-exotic beauty is the core of her character.
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So I've asked this question in my Lore Warden thread, and also in a separate thread where I asked some rules questions about the Whirlwind Attack feat, but I haven't gotten any responses yet.
Is Whirlwind Attack practical? Or does it belong in this thread with the interesting yet impractical ideas?
To get it, you need dex 13, int 13, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack as prerequisites. If you're doing a Lore Warden, you'll have the stats and get Combat Expertise for free as a bonus feat. For anyone else, those requirements could be annoying. But even for the Lore Warden who gets plenty of bonus fighter feats and has those requirements covered, is it worth all the feats to get this? Do you end up in combat with enough nearby opponents to use Whirlwind Attack often enough to make it worth the feat investment?
So I've asked this question in my Lore Warden thread, and also in a separate thread where I asked some rules questions about the Whirlwind Attack feat, but I haven't gotten any responses yet.
Is Whirlwind Attack practical? Or does it belong in this thread with the interesting yet impractical ideas?
To get it, you need dex 13, int 13, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack as prerequisites. If you're doing a Lore Warden, you'll have the stats and get Combat Expertise for free as a bonus feat. For anyone else, those requirements could be annoying. But even for the Lore Warden who gets plenty of bonus fighter feats and has those requirements covered, is it worth all the feats to get this? Do you end up in combat with enough nearby opponents to use Whirlwind Attack often enough to make it worth the feat investment?
To me it is only worth it if you were already going to get spring attack which is itself very nice.
If you do not want and will not use spring attack, then all those feats just to get whirlwind is not worth it.
on the original topic
For a 1 shot, I once ran a monk/rogue/empyreal sorc/arcane trickster
Theory was use flanked (or surprise), touch attack spells, unarmed strike, and sneak attack damage.
When it all worked out is was pretty amazing. But the rest of the time, he was pretty underwhelming.
Yes and yes.
Better Mary Jane: Molly Quinn or Karen Gillan or however sober people spell her last name (Amy Pond from Dr. Whooooooooooooooo)
If you do want stories PM me.
Karen Gillian simply because she has a neat American Accent that really fits MJ.
@Fromper: In my campaigns Whirlwind Attack is pretty good. Though in most it is only worth it as Kydeem said if you are planning to use the other feats in the chain.
On-Topic: I had a good MAD build (of 5 classes!) that surprisingly after around level 5 it can potentially one-shot any dungeon.
On-Topic: I had a good MAD build (of 5 classes!) that surprisingly after around level 5 it can potentially one-shot any dungeon.
Please do tell.
As I have found out, middling(14) CHA clerics who want to get in on the Turn Undead scene. What they have to fight against(Pre-buffs, I know about the Phylactery of Channeling)
Will save for no effect
Channel resistance
1 minute duration
Save every round.
Even save for 1/2 damage is more practical. To get full effect, one needs Sun/Glory domains, Increased channel and the Phylactery
Please do tell.
On-Topic: I had a good MAD build (of 5 classes!) that surprisingly after around level 5 it can potentially one-shot any dungeon.
I'm Trying to find it...
I remember it was a primarily Ranged Switch-Hitter build.
It was a Paladin(Divine Hunter), Fighter, Oracle, Sorcerer, & Cavalier.
Most of the levels are in Fighter & Paladin. Oracle & Sorcerer are simply for the Easier Time using Wands and Scrolls.
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I want to see a multiclass Druid/Gunslinger.
They both want Dex and Wisdom, and wear light armor, so I guess it could work, but you'd wait quite a bit for Gun Training, you wouldn't have much for spellcasting, your animal companion would be behind the curve, and you have to explain why you're a druid with a gun.
Don't tengu get bonuses to Dex and Wisdom?
I want to see a multiclass Druid/Gunslinger.
They both want Dex and Wisdom, and wear light armor, so I guess it could work, but you'd wait quite a bit for Gun Training, you wouldn't have much for spellcasting, your animal companion would be behind the curve, and you have to explain why you're a druid with a gun.
Don't tengu get bonuses to Dex and Wisdom?
Hmmm.. Old hermit with a shotgun defending his forest/land against bandits and having a bunch of wolves nearby?
You types arn't welcome here! Now GIT! *Ca-chunk of blunderbuss being cocked*