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Canny Defense (Ex)
When wearing light or no armor and not using a shield, a duelist adds 1 point of Intelligence bonus (if any) per duelist class level to her Dexterity bonus to modify Armor Class while wielding a melee weapon. If a duelist is caught flat-footed or otherwise denied her Dexterity bonus, she also loses this bonus.
still capped by armor.
kinda sucks. Thats what happens with a 3.0/3.5 "legacy" class
I can read LOL... I know what the book says the ISSUE is that some players insist this ADDITION of Intelligence Bonus to the Dex bonus goes AFTER the CAP in the Formulae for AC... I need something that either CONFIRMS of denies this please...
The player is wrong. It doesn't say anywhere that the int bonus is added after the cap - but you know that, since you can read. And if it doesn't say that it circumvents the rules, it doesn't circumvent the rules. Int is added to dex, dex is capped. If they didn't want the int to be capped, they'd have added it to AC as a dodge bonus. Adding it to the dex bonus is clearly done so it would be capped.
P.S. No need to randomly SHOUT words. :P
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SORRY about the Random use of Capitolization... I am new to THESE boards so you all don't know me well yet... but I spend most of my TYPING time copying sermon notes for a pentacostal pastor and the RANDOM shouts are normal in those notes so now it is HABIT LOL... if I spend a lot of time here you will get used to IT from me... :) (trust me on the OTHER boards I am in they can tell a post from ME just by spotting those random CAPS LOL)
But getting back to my OP... just were is that PESKY Errata Doc anyway can someone point me to the link?
What errata? it hasnt been errata'd or ERRATA'D
if it doesnt very specifically say it does something, it doesnt. Does it say "added after blah blah blah"? no? then its not.
What about canny defense leads to the idea that your INT is added after your Armors Max DEX?
Rules as written, Canny Defense adds your INT mod your DEX. You Max DEX from Armor would still limit that number.
Design Manager
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Canny Defense (Ex): When wearing light or no armor and not using a shield, a duelist adds 1 point of Intelligence bonus (if any) per duelist class level to her Dexterity bonus to modify Armor Class while wielding a melee weapon
It clearly adds the Int bonus to your Dex, not to your AC, so it would be capped by armor, as normal. No need to eratta or FAQ this, it's pretty straightforward.
@Martiln- I'm sure this was probably an error on the part of whomever drew up the NPC. It happens.
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Hmm, in one of the Serpent's Skull Adventures I ran, there's an NPC Duelist who only has 3 levels of Fighter, wears Leather Armor(Max Dex of 7 after Armor Training), and he applies his +7 Dex bonus to AC AND his +6 Int Bonus to AC. So either the creator of that NPC did it wrong, or the Int Bonus is added AFTER Max Dex is applied.
I remember reading that NCP and the total AC seemed to high. Yup, now I see the error.
If you're having problems with armored duelists go back and re-read the first three paragraphs of the PC.
There you will find all the information you need about what kind of armors your duelist should be using, irregardless of what you think your character should be wearing.
Let me try a more direct approach.
Canny Defense adds one point of INT bonus to DEX bonus to AC per level of Duelist.
It appears that the intent of this ability is to improve the DEX bonus of the Duelist to the point that armor DOES get in the way, so that the Duelist will opt to use lighter and lighter armors as the Duelist increases in level.
They may wear armor, but generally eschew such bulky protection as their grace allows them to dodge their opponent's with ease.Third sentence.
This is what InsaneFox, Tharg the Pirate King, and Mr Whos are talking about, the Duelist is not a Tank, she is a Sabre Dancer.
There's an npc on "Pathfinder campaign setting: Rival guide", named "Estella Cheriford", she's a Figther 6 duelist 4, she uses a Chain shirt +2, has +5 Dex plus +2 uncanny defense on her armor class, She has armor trainign I (that's why her chain shirt alow +5 max dex)
If someone like to check, it's on pag 7 of this book, or...
Can check this link http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/npc-s/npc-9/estella-cheriford. Basides what the website says, this book it's pathfinder, and not pathfinder compatible.
Here's the developer response to this question.
The Canny Defense ability is worded very poorly.
As written, it's easily interpreted that you use her Int bonus to boost her Dex bonus to AC, which would mean it runs into the max Dex limit from armor.
How it's supposed to work is the duelist* adds her Int bonus to her AC (not to her Dex bonus to AC), and she loses that Int-based AC bonus under any situation where she's denied her Dex bonus to AC. Therefore, her Int-based bonus to AC ignores the max Dex limitation of armor because the Int-based bonus to AC is not a Dex bonus.
* when wearing light or no armor, not using a shield, and wielding a melee weapon
Expect a FAQ blog about this next week.
Yea, I was wondering about that too. But things happen and we know for sure how it's supposed to work, so it doesn't really matter :)
edit - my bad, repost
