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And we continue marching on.
This sounds absolutely intriguing. If possible I'd love to see the rules please.
This sounds absolutely intriguing. If possible I'd love to see the rules please.
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Hi guys, love Kirthfinder and was having some problems with new players to either Pathfinder or Kirthfinder itself with filling out the character sheet. I do not know if the character sheet has had an update since I had requested a copy of the rules. To remedy this problem, I took up the mantle to format the excel sheet with automatic calucations , it can be found here in my google drive, and is updated as I need it.
Disclaimer: I am not an expert in excel or its formulas and I update my master copy on my desktop due to personal internal grievances with my PCs screwing with my formulas
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I still fill out character sheets with a pencil, so I'm not the guy to ask!
Hi guys, love Kirthfinder and was having some problems with new players to either Pathfinder or Kirthfinder itself with filling out the character sheet. I do not know if the character sheet has had an update since I had requested a copy of the rules. To remedy this problem, I took up the mantle to format the excel sheet with automatic calucations , it can be found here in my google drive, and is updated as I need it.
Disclaimer: I am not an expert in excel or its formulas and I update my master copy on my desktop due to personal internal grievances with my PCs screwing with my formulas
My group prefers pencils and paper character sheets too. If I were to use a digital format, it'd be for Fantasy Grounds on Steam. I'm fairly certain the file types for that simulator aren't compatible with Google Drive.
As for Excel formulas, my own personal number crunching (I'm looking at you, Leadership feat.) has taught me
ROUNDDOWN(number or formula,number of decimal places to round to)
and
ROUNDUP(number or formula,number of decimal places to round to)
are your friends.
Could I have an updated copy of Kirthfinder?
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Does anyone have a normal, printable, character sheet for this? My group is one of those who enjoys the act of filling out a character sheet, so I figured I'd check in to see if anyone had one.
EDIT: Also, this was a wonderful read, thank you for sharing this marvelous creation.
A normal character sheet would depend on what your definition of 'normal' is. :P
Last time I printed off sheets for this, I opened up the Excel character sheet and deleted all the zero's. Would that suffice?
Kirth a question when you did the weapon profs. what guidlines did you use when applying feats. Was working on mundane style firearms for my home campaign and just wondering if it was mostly flavor or if you had a imposed limit on prereqs for the free feats.
Could I get an updated copy of the ruleset? My most recent version is from 2013!
A normal character sheet would depend on what your definition of 'normal' is. :P
Last time I printed off sheets for this, I opened up the Excel character sheet and deleted all the zero's. Would that suffice?
Hmmm, that just might work. I'll have to see about trying that.
Also a quick question about the Grenadier rogue talent. It's been stated that's how you make Alchemist bombs in Kirthfinder but I was wondering, since the wording is kinda vague to one of my players. Does the talent actually change the damage amount of the Alchemist flask or simply let you sneak attack with it?
Does the talent actually change the damage amount of the Alchemist flask or simply let you sneak attack with it?
It lets you sneak attack with it -- but since sneak attack damage is of the same type as the primary attack, in essence it's jacking up the flask damage (assuming you're within 30 ft. and either feint, attack from some kind of concealment, or have someone within reach of the target spend an immediate action to give you a flanking bonus, etc. -- there are a number of skill tricks that are really good for this sort of thing).
Kirth a question when you did the weapon profs. what guidlines did you use when applying feats. Was working on mundane style firearms for my home campaign and just wondering if it was mostly flavor or if you had a imposed limit on prereqs for the free feats.
Weapon proficiencies were one of the earliest variant rules we did for Pathfinder, so they're in some ways one of the least rigid in terms of structure. Mostly the exotic feat usages were chosen based on what made sense for the weapon, without counting prerequisites, etc. If I had to go back and redo them, I'd probably be more careful about that, but, meh.
If you're treating firearms as weapons rather than as variant magic items, I'd probably use Fell Shot as an exotic feat, to mimic the Pathfinder Gunslinger's touch attack. Alternatively, pick Improved Critical, so that a single shot isn't too dangerous, but a hit in the right place can kill. Or maybe use Manyshot, for a semi-automatic pistol. Or Far Shot for a sniper rifle. The possibilities are endless!
I'd like an up to date copy, sounds like Kirth has been doing some awesome stuff. :D
Could I get an updated copy of the ruleset? My most recent version is from 2013!
I'd like an up to date copy, sounds like Kirth has been doing some awesome stuff. :D
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Kirth a question when you did the weapon profs. what guidlines did you use when applying feats. Was working on mundane style firearms for my home campaign and just wondering if it was mostly flavor or if you had a imposed limit on prereqs for the free feats.Weapon proficiencies were one of the earliest variant rules we did for Pathfinder, so they're in some ways one of the least rigid in terms of structure. Mostly the exotic feat usages were chosen based on what made sense for the weapon, without counting prerequisites, etc. If I had to go back and redo them, I'd probably be more careful about that, but, meh.
If you're treating firearms as weapons rather than as variant magic items, I'd probably use Fell Shot as an exotic feat, to mimic the Pathfinder Gunslinger's touch attack. Alternatively, pick Improved Critical, so that a single shot isn't too dangerous, but a hit in the right place can kill. Or maybe use Manyshot, for a semi-automatic pistol. Or Far Shot for a sniper rifle. The possibilities are endless!
Pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks
Arrius, that sounds like you want to bundle Concentration Spell with Reduce Spell.
This sounds very interesting - could I have a copy too please?
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It is if you haven't gotten a copy by the time I get home I'll send one.
If someone could send me an updated copy of the rules I'd greatly appreciate it. Cheers.
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Hey, Kirth.
I don't know if you remember (probably not), but I'm doing something similar to your project, but intended to be used in conjunction with my own game world (obviously). I'm a lot farther behind than you are, but the latest thing I managed to do is to consolidate Skills.
I've introduced two new things:
a) Removed class and non-class skills
Now all characters can choose 4 skills as Background Skills and gain +3 bonus.
b) Divided skills into two categories, common and uncommon skills.
Common skills can be chosen as background skills and learned in a standard way, but uncommon ones require a teacher or some kind of knowledge source to be learned.
Here's the Skill Table if anyone's interested:
3 sent and on the way guys good luck.
Re: continuing damage, one possibility would be to simply use the existing damage cap rules: a fireball caps at 10d6; heighten it by 2 levels and the cap is 15d6 -- you could choose 15d6 initial, or 10d6 initial and 5d6 the next round, or 10d6 initial plus 1d6/round for 5 more rounds, or 5d6/round for 3 rounds, or whatever. In a way, you break even: 15d6 instantaneous means you don't have to wait, but 10d6 plus extra 5d6 "ongoing" makes concentrating on spells harder for the target(s) during that next round.
That doesn't work so well for spells with effects other than direct damage, however, so you'd still need something like a Concentration Spell feat.
I'd love to take a look at this!
Always looking for improved systems.
I'd love to take a look at this!
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Always looking for improved systems.
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Can I snag a copy of the final version?
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I have to see how hard it is to convert an adventure path, but the "really early" version google gives me is already very interesting to read. You seemed to pay careful attention to correcting some of the problems that bother me most about the base system, so I can't wait to see where you landed at the end of it :-)
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Can I snag a copy of the final version?
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I have to see how hard it is to convert an adventure path, but the "really early" version google gives me is already very interesting to read. You seemed to pay careful attention to correcting some of the problems that bother me most about the base system, so I can't wait to see where you landed at the end of it :-)
A few AP things to keep in mind. Your players will have abilities far beyond their PF kin in some cases. While you might not choose to rework every encounter from the ground up I would recommend adjusting feats where appropriate and Reworking major fights to include some mooks. A evil mastermind even one built with these rules won't function well 4-6 on 1.
One of the goals in buffing the martial guys was to reduce the need to artificially jack up the daily encounter count. Instead of 4 per day, I often have 1-2 that are somewhat more involved; the balance of each session is leading up to the encounter, to see how far the PCs can tip the scales in their favor to avoid a TPK. Sadly, this is sort of the opposite approach of many of the APs, so at home I end up adjusting them fairly heavily, when I use pieces from them.
To that end, I give every major villain the Leadership feat, with appropriate cohorts and followers -- the first half of an adventure might revolve around the PCs trying to catch the cohort and some followers alone and eliminate them, so that when they encounter the boss, his forces are already depleted.
So to balance my guns was playing with some dice and reload times. Moving past muskets for my home game so I am working on Revolver/rifle/Shotgun as the starters may do 2 versions of the rifle one breech style with a long range and more damage and one with higher rate of fire with a lower damage.
For the revolver here is what I have
Simple: One Handed Ranged 1d6/x4 -4 Non prof penalty. 30ft range Reload all chambers 2rnds.
Martial One Handed Ranged 1d6/x4 30ft Range Reload all Chambers 2nds.
Exotic One handed Ranged 1d6/x4 30ft Range Reload all Chambers 1Rnd, or One handed Ranged 1d6/x4 Reload all chambers 2rnds Precise Shot.
Also a question has come up how do weapon granted feats work as prereqs? Could a character who gets a feat from a weapon take feats with it as a prereq and be able to only use them with that weapon?
Could a character who gets a feat from a weapon take feats with it as a prereq and be able to only use them with that weapon?
Yes, that was part of the intent -- particularly for the ones that grant TWF.
Thanks that's what we thought but always good to be sure.
I second giving a free Leadership feat to every major villain. And I like that the 5th ed. DMG provides a good outline for morale saves. I'll be using that for figuring out when the cohorts would run towards their boss. I'd finally have an excuse to nail down rules for chase scenes.
I would love an update too.
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I second giving a free Leadership feat to every major villain.
Alright, it's more like I use the Leadership feat as a guideline for juggling NPC CRs from encounter to encounter. I'm still trying to find the challenge level sweet spot between tedious steamrolling and horrific TPK.
Could i have a copy of Kirithfinder? Last time i viewed this thread it was 2 years ago:)
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Could i have a copy of Kirithfinder? Last time i viewed this thread it was 2 years ago:)
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One of the goals in buffing the martial guys was to reduce the need to artificially jack up the daily encounter count. Instead of 4 per day, I often have 1-2 that are somewhat more involved; the balance of each session is leading up to the encounter, to see how far the PCs can tip the scales in their favor to avoid a TPK. Sadly, this is sort of the opposite approach of many of the APs, so at home I end up adjusting them fairly heavily, when I use pieces from them.
To that end, I give every major villain the Leadership feat, with appropriate cohorts and followers -- the first half of an adventure might revolve around the PCs trying to catch the cohort and some followers alone and eliminate them, so that when they encounter the boss, his forces are already depleted.
Two leadership questions as I am brain storming.
1. A single character can only have 1 cohort correct?2. When you build your villain set-up is it appropriate for the cohorts to have leadership if applicable. For instance a high level necromancer has a cohort that is a vampire lord. Would it be appropriate if he is a major plot villain in his own right for him to have leadership and have a cohort and followers of his own?
1. A single character can only have 1 cohort correct?2. When you build your villain set-up is it appropriate for the cohorts to have leadership if applicable. For instance a high level necromancer has a cohort that is a vampire lord. Would it be appropriate if he is a major plot villain in his own right for him to have leadership and have a cohort and followers of his own?
1. One cohort of CR up to the Leader's CR -3; any number (subject to total Leadership potential) of CR up to the leader's CR -5.
2. I have no problem with cascading leadership, for players or for NPCs. The thing is to keep track of which followers belong to which leader, which can be important if some sort of conflict between the big boss and the cohort can be engineered.
Yeah that's what I figured. Still working out red hand and felt that would make for an interesting breakdown and yes I figure the group will try once they cause some issue to cause some in fighting.
I searched this post but could not find an answer. I was wondering how favored terrain magic abilities work. Mainly, Forrest terrain with speak with animals at will, is that only in Forrest ? Or any where?
I searched this post but could not find an answer. I was wondering how favored terrain magic abilities work. Mainly, Forrest terrain with speak with animals at will, is that only in Forrest ? Or any where?
Since it's not specified, it's technically anywhere. Originally it was going to be limited to forest critters, but then you end up in this whole weird series of corner-cases: e.g., "If it's only when I'm in a forest, why does my ability to talk to this bird cut off when I take a 5-ft. step? Does it end if the bird flies above the treetops? How high are they, anyway?" or "If it's by critter, well, European badgers live in the woods and meadows, but American badgers live in hills and badlands. Do dire badgers count? Is that an American dire badger or a European dire badger?" It's a lot simpler to make it a blanket ability.
Also, at-will speak with animals doesn't break the game.
For abilities that only work in a specific terrain, that's spelled out in the ability description.