Improve a weapon's crit multiplier

[Nostagar]

Another of those "I seem to recall..." moments, does anyone else know of a way to increase the crit multiplier of a weapon? I seem to recall something about "impact," but of course, I can't recall where.

As an example of what I mean, a normal rapier does 18-20/x2 for crit. an Impact Rapier would do 18-20/x3 for a crit.

Or was it perhaps a feat? I'm not entirely sure, but the effect was the same, turns an x2 weapon into an x3 weapon...

Anyone who's memory doesn't resemble swiss cheese remember anything like this?

[Midnight_Angel]

Only thing I remember is the 3.x spell 'Weapon of impact'. Which was the keen-equivalent for bludgeoning weapons, i.e. doubled the crit range, leaving the multiplier unaffected.

[Klebert L. Hall]

In 3.X, there was a Prestige Class that allowed multiplier increase. Weapons Master, or something like that...It was in one of those WotC Class Books.
-Kle.

[Ughbash]

Level 20 ability of Fighter for own Weapon (Weapon mastery).

There USED to be (in beta) a feat in the critical mastery line which increased it by +1 (maximum x4) but that did not make it into final rules.

[Tom S 820]

3.0 Sowrd & Sorcery/ Relecs & Rituals

Spell Assassin's Sences

Wiz/Sor 2 Bard 3 / Cleric 2

V S M

Personal

1 Round/ level

+1 critical range +1 multiplier

Material compent the Severed finger of a professional assassin

I played with it ok at best for NCP bad guy. Hugely over powered as PC spell and hard to use due to components.

It realy changes the math of the game alot and thing get funky really fast. It make the weapon suppered powered and realy insane. 19-20x5 on a sythe is mege-crazzy. I totaly makes any 3 level cultsist take out 8 level PC.

[forger42]

The new Unchained Barbarian have a rage power called lethal accuracy, which increases multiplier by, but you can't take it until lvl 16

[CraziFuzzy]

Improved Critical (Mythic) raises multiplier by 1.

[ryric]

The weapon master fighter archetype can do it a few times per day starting at 13th level.

[Imbicatus]

Bracer's of Falcon's Aim / Aspect of the falcon does it for crossbows.

[Torbyne]

The impact enchantment in Pathfinder changes the damage dealt by one size up, not the multiplier.

Some classes can change the actual multiplier, the earliest being at level 5 for the Bolt Ace archetype of Gunslinger. The ability to alter the multiplier is so rare in fact that the PDT doesn't seem to have gotten around to banning stacking similar abilities as they have with threat ranges. This allows a Bolt Ace to stack their class ability with one of the rare multiplier changing magic items, the Bracers of Falcon's Aim, for up to a 17-20/X4 ranged weapon.

There might be an equivalent for melee weapons but i am not aware of any, fittingly enough ranged builds get the big guns.

[CampinCarl9127]

Torbyne wrote:

This allows a Bolt Ace to stack their class ability with one of the rare multiplier changing magic items, the Bracers of Falcon's Aim, for up to a 17-20/X4 ranged weapon.

Yes they have. The Aspect of the Falcon spell is very clear on that.

Aspect of the Falcon wrote:

This effect does not stack with any other effect that expands the threat range of a weapon, such as the Improved Critical feat or a keen weapon.

[Torbyne]

CampinCarl9127 wrote:

Torbyne wrote:

This allows a Bolt Ace to stack their class ability with one of the rare multiplier changing magic items, the Bracers of Falcon's Aim, for up to a 17-20/X4 ranged weapon.

Yes they have. The Aspect of the Falcon spell is very clear on that.

Aspect of the Falcon wrote:

This effect does not stack with any other effect that expands the threat range of a weapon, such as the Improved Critical feat or a keen weapon.

That is the point i was making, the rules spell out in most instances, and certainly enough for most players to pick up on the general rule, that changes to a weapon's critical threat range will not stack. There is no such ruling that i have ever seen that stipulates the same for a Critical Multiplier.

When used with a crossbow the bracers change the weapon to 19-20/X3. This does not change the natural threaten range for a crossbow. When you take Improved Critical: Crossbow the bracers will not stack, but it will overlap; the feat changes the threaten range to 17-20 without affecting the multiplier, it does not change it to 15-20 which would be stacking with the bracers.

Separately the bracers do change a crossbow's multiplier to x3 and there are no rules to prevent that from stacking with a Bolt Ace's training that increases it again to x4.

The end result is 17-20/X4 with one effect in play on the threat range and two, stack-able, effects in play for the multiplier.

[KainPen]

4 year old nerco wow.

[Torbyne]

It kind of makes sense, how many new options have been added in four years? Things are possible now that weren't when the question was first asked.

[CampinCarl9127]

"This effect" applies to every single part of Aspect of the Falcon, regardless if you start from 19-20/x2 or 20/x3. Once Aspect of the Falcon makes either one into 19-20/x3, keen/improved critical/etc. does absolutely nothing. It's not saying "the expanded critical range doesn't stack". It's saying the entirety of the spell doesn't stack. In fact, a keen weapon wouldn't even stack with the perception bonus from Aspect of the Falcon.

However, I see no reason you can't use Bolt Ace to get a 19-20/x4.

[LazarX]

Ughbash wrote:

Level 20 ability of Fighter for own Weapon (Weapon mastery).

There USED to be (in beta) a feat in the critical mastery line which increased it by +1 (maximum x4) but that did not make it into final rules.

I suspect it was taken out so that the Fighter's capstone ability wouldn't become meaningless.

[Imbicatus]

LazarX wrote:

Ughbash wrote:

Level 20 ability of Fighter for own Weapon (Weapon mastery).

There USED to be (in beta) a feat in the critical mastery line which increased it by +1 (maximum x4) but that did not make it into final rules.

I suspect it was taken out so that the Fighter's capstone ability wouldn't become meaningless.

The crit modifier increase is meaningless. It's a nice bonus, but the real benefit of the capstone is auto-confirming.

[Torbyne]

CampinCarl9127 wrote:

"This effect" applies to every single part of Aspect of the Falcon, regardless if you start from 19-20/x2 or 20/x3. Once Aspect of the Falcon makes either one into 19-20/x3, keen/improved critical/etc. does absolutely nothing. It's not saying "the expanded critical range doesn't stack". It's saying the entirety of the spell doesn't stack. In fact, a keen weapon wouldn't even stack with the perception bonus from Aspect of the Falcon.

However, I see no reason you can't use Bolt Ace to get a 19-20/x4.

I am confused by your position, if the spell (or bracers in this case) changes the weapon to a flat 19-20/x3 and will not stack with anything than the Bolt Ace class ability would not affect it either and nothing could change the weapon from 19-20/x3. if you allow crossbow training to stack the multiplier why would you not allow Improved Critical?

The point i was making is that Improved Critical: Crossbow does not interact with the Falcon's Aim spell. A crossbow is 19-20. Add Improved Critical and the threaten range is 17-20. Now add Falcon's Aim, nothing changes as the abilities do not stack or the threat range of the weapon drops back to 19-20 when you put the bracers on as the spell cancels out another effect?

[James Risner]

Torbyne wrote:

The point i was making is that Improved Critical: Crossbow does not interact with the Falcon's Aim spell.

We are confused by your comments:

Quote:

This effect does not stack with any other effect that expands the threat range of a weapon, such as the Improved Critical feat or a keen weapon.

Improved Critical can not stack with Bracers of Falcon Aim.

[CampinCarl9127]

Ah, the Aspect of the Falcon spell can stack with (almost) everything as long as the other ability in question does not expand crit range. The level 5 bolt ace ability only alters the crit modifier.

The Aspect of the Falcon spell very clearly states it does not stack with anything that modifies crit range, and the two main examples of that are keen weapons and improved critical. Of you had improved critical and put the bracers on, you would only get one of their effects. There is no way shape or form to get them to stack.