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Drake, though I'm not a fan of the pre reqs, Dodge and Mobility, I am curious there was no mention of Deft Shootist. While the shooting AoO can be avoided by moving before firing I think the no AoO from reloading might be handy. Also, while Mysterious Stranger may be a sub par DPR choice it can help alleviate some MAD if going for a Holy Gun or Bard/Gunslinger build (something I myself am looking at).
I disagree with those who think Mysterious Stranger is sub-optimal. There are definitely areas where they shine, even when it comes to DPR. For example, my Mysterious Stranger uses a double-barrel pistol. At 6th level, rapid-shooting with a full attack using alchemical cartridges and rapid reload I can get 6 shots off a round. A regular gunslinger doing this has a 67% chance (42% with reliable) of having a misfire during that attack routine. That not only stops the attack routine once it occurs, but would prevent the character from getting a full round attack on the following round. On the other hand, my Mysterious Stranger can ignore those misfires (sometimes still scoring hits on a 2 or 3) and get two full rounds of full attack actions. Because of the chance of misfire, and assuming I use Focused Aim, my DPR is actually higher than a regular gunslinger doing the same thing.
I've also discovered constantly using Focused Aim is not a big issue either. I recently played a mod where I fired off 50 rounds of ammunition, using Focus Aim every round. I started the adventure with 5 grit, I finished it with 4. So the only real disadvantage compaired to Gun Training was the Swift Action economy.
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I'd love to see this expanded to include a few words on the Gunslinger archetypes from the APG-- The Buccaneer, the Experimental Gunsmith, and the Gulch Gunner. Buccaneer gets grit from CHA instead of WIS like the Stranger-- is it a better choice if you want a charismatic gunslinger? Are the Experimental Gunsmith's upgrades worth anything?
Just wanted to point out that deadly Aim doesn't work when targeting touch AC. It is very clearly against raw.
That's a old argument that's gotten clarified. Firearms are NOT touch attacks, they only resolves against touch AC, and are defined as such to explicitly allow the use of the feat Deadly Aim.
Early Firearms: When firing an early firearm, the attack resolves against the target's touch AC when the target is within the first range increment of the weapon, but this type of attack is not considered a touch attack for the purposes of feats and abilities such as Deadly Aim. At higher range increments, the attack resolves normally, including taking the normal cumulative –2 penalty for each full range increment. Unlike other projectile weapons, early firearms have a maximum range of five range increments.
How about being a mounted gunslinger? You need some kind of cohort or special mount after a while, but now you can move and full attack (no feat cost). Might be worth it for the positioning. Triggering one AoO for moving out of melee is better than triggering one for each shot you take.
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The Creepy Two Gun Build:
Would the tiefling alternate racial tail prehensile tail allow reloading two pistols? It's even sort of thematic.
Prehensile Tail Many tieflings have tails, but some have long, flexible tails that can be used to carry items. While they cannot wield weapons with their tails, they can use them to retrieve small, stowed objects carried on their persons as a swift action. This racial trait replaces fiendish sorcery.
Is there anyone who may elaborate on comparisons on all the archetypes and the main standard class as well? I am curios as to which archetypes are best and on where the standard class may be in all of the list.
Hello,
I need advice on taking either a Gunslinger or a Gunslinger/Paladin.
Im starting on a 12th lvl Character, of which I would go as :
Gunslinger/Mysterious Stranger (1)
Paladin/Oath of Vengeance (11)
Going double-barreled, and making use of Smite (considering Im facing outsiders/dragons) I would assume this build has more damage potential than a pure slinger.
Trying to keep this from going all broke, I would use one pistol and have to other hand free to charge (also looking to go like Dark Tower's Roland with three fingers in the reload hand)
Probably going to be in the front lines and would seek Snapshot and all (I'm regularly facing larger or larger creatures)
I would think the 108k that a character starts with will take care of the horrible misfires..
Please let me know you thoughts regarding feats and Items!
Also class levels if you consider different options.
Thanks!!
I'm slightly confused: The posts keep saying Mysterious Stranger is terrible because it doesn't get gun training.
However every instance of the Archetype's description I read only says it replaces gun training *I*. Other archetypes that replace feature progressions explicitly state that they replace the entire line of features or refer to the feature in a blanket capacity. Stranger's Fortune on the other hand specifically lists only one instance of the feature.
So shouldn't Strangers still get +Dex to damage only at level 9 instead of 5?
It still is terrible in that context. You spend 4 more levels doing rather dismal damage until you finally get +Dex to damage at 9th. Which happens to either be almost end game in PFS (characters retire a 12 until just recently I believe) or 1/2 your adventuring career if you are going a full 20th level game.
You wouldn't get Dex to damage twice. But the rest is fine, which means a different fighter archetype might be better.
Pc-gen isn't a Paizo product so even if you use it for a "check" it doesn't mean much. I believe it has been mentioned by official Paizo staff that multiple instances of an attribute being applied to any specific stat do not stack. You'd only get it once regardless of it being untyped.
The question has been asked a couple of times, without any answer.
is a Pistolero/Spellslinger(wizard) an interresting enough build to consider?
Interesting? Yes. But a spellslinger is significantly less effective than a normal wizard. Excellent flavour, good as a backup arcane caster, poor as the primary mage.
Gunslinger5/Spellslinger5/Eldritch Knight or stick with only one level of gunslinger makes a decent 'archer' as well as backup mage.
Even spellslinger all the way is weak as a wizard because you lose so much: no familiar, no scribe scroll, no cantrips, but most of all losing 4 schools of magic hurts.
Gunslinger1 or 5 coupled to a non-spellslinger wizard makes a much better caster.
But for flavour and fun? Yeah, it's great. I'm playing one in RotRL.
How exactly does a gunslinger ignore armor and natural armor? I can't find that anywhere else except for your guide? Is it a feat or just the fact that they are using bullets instead of an arrow?