with this feat can i throw weapons that doesn't have proficency with or weapons that doesn't have a thrown range.
You can throw pretty much anything that isn't too heavy. A friend's alchemist started throwing table legs, cutlery, plates, chandeliers, anything that is reasonably similar in size to a weapon. And the range increment is 10 feet.
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Hama wrote: You can throw pretty much anything that isn't too heavy. A friend's alchemist started throwing table legs, cutlery, plates, chandeliers, anything that is reasonably similar in size to a weapon. And the range increment is 10 feet. This is a fantastic part of being an alchemist. I use it non stop in my game also. I believe you can throw an additional 10ft by taking a -2 penalty also.
You can trow 50 feet by taking a -8 to hit. Every range increment beyond the base one imposes a -2 penalty to hit.
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Morris Chan wrote: with this feat can i throw weapons that doesn't have proficency with or weapons that doesn't have a thrown range. Yes, however you don't get to treat it as if you had the prof. ie, you don't get to throw a rapier and have it crit on an 18-20, or throw bolas and get to trip with them. And if you're somehow not prof with say a javelin you'd still have the thrown range of the imp. weapon of 10, not the javelin's normal range of 30. You're throwing them as improvised weapons.
crb wrote: An improvised weapon scores a threat on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. An improvised thrown weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.
i would be able to throw shortswords or what ever and do a 1d6+2 damage if i have a strength of 14? with a range incriment of 10 feet?
Morris Chan wrote: i would be able to throw shortswords or what ever and do a 1d6+2 damage if i have a strength of 14? with a range incriment of 10 feet? Yes, but you would still threaten a critical on 20.
Yeah in this pathfinder game this guy is running i am a half giant barbarian 5, blood storm blade 1, and what the blood storm blade prestige class from the book of nine swords(not a pathfinder book but compatible) gives you the Throw Anything feat at first level and a reposition attack ability that allows your weapon or whatever your throwing to come back to your hand. So anyway my character has a +1 Large Flaming Shocking Great Sword and I Threw this Weapon and did a Grand total of 48 dammage with it because I got a crit. Whats Even better is that in the second level of the prestige class I'm allowed to use my strength for my attack roll with a thrown weapon and can apply 1 and 1/2 my strength to the dammage with it as if it were a two handed weapon.
Morris Chan wrote: i would be able to throw shortswords or what ever and do a 1d6+2 damage if i have a strength of 14? with a range incriment of 10 feet? Actually you would only do 1d6 points of dammage because throwing a weapon is a ranged attack, which does not add your strength to your dammage, Like wise you would add your dexterity roll to the attack roll and not your strength.
Cheddahbob wrote: Morris Chan wrote: i would be able to throw shortswords or what ever and do a 1d6+2 damage if i have a strength of 14? with a range incriment of 10 feet? Actually you would only do 1d6 points of dammage because throwing a weapon is a ranged attack, which does not add your strength to your dammage, Like wise you would add your dexterity roll to the attack roll and not your strength. Uh, what makes you think you don't add your strength to damage with thrown weapons?
Thrown weapons and slings have the damage modified by strength.
SunsetPsychosis wrote: Cheddahbob wrote: Morris Chan wrote: i would be able to throw shortswords or what ever and do a 1d6+2 damage if i have a strength of 14? with a range incriment of 10 feet? Actually you would only do 1d6 points of dammage because throwing a weapon is a ranged attack, which does not add your strength to your dammage, Like wise you would add your dexterity roll to the attack roll and not your strength. Uh, what makes you think you don't add your strength to damage with thrown weapons? Never mind apparently thrown weapons are considered melee attacks in pathfinder, which makes them able to add the strength bonus to the dammage role, I was confused about something else I read in the core rulebook sorry.
No, thrown weapons are not considered melee attacks. They're considered thrown weapons.
From the CRB
Thrown Weapons: Daggers, clubs, shortspears, spears,
darts, javelins, throwing axes, light hammers, tridents,
shuriken, and nets are thrown weapons. The wielder
applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown
weapons (except for splash weapons). It is possible to throw
a weapon that isn’t designed to be thrown (that is, a melee
weapon that doesn’t have a numeric entry in the Range
column on Table 6–4), and a character who does so takes
a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or onehanded
weapon is a standard action, while throwing a twohanded
weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the
type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a
natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit.
Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.
The Throw Anything feat simply removes the penalty for improvised thrown weapons.
One of the problems with the throwing rules in general are that they give no weight guidelines. Everything is based on bulk, but not mass, and so it's both wide open in what is possible, but also restrictive in effect.
The heaviest weapon in the game is the double crossbow (18 lb), followed by the orc and dwarf double weapons (15 lb). What happens if I want to throw a 50 lb rock? What if my 20 Strength makes lifting 100 lb rocks well under my light load and I want to throw one of those at someone?
Sure, there is the hurling powers for barbarians to use as guidelines, but even then it goes off of size, rather than weight. The Improvised Weapon Mastery even confuses things more by caping damage at 2d6.
It would be great if there was a unified throwing mechanic to tie all of the disparate rules into one coherent system, and showed how things scaled from the human level of realism, all the way up to the demi-god status of 20th level, when martial characters could well have strength scores in the 40's or 50's. What happens when you have a 40 strength and want to pick up a tree or boulder and throw it at someone?
SunsetPsychosis wrote: No, thrown weapons are not considered melee attacks. They're considered thrown weapons.
From the CRB
Thrown Weapons: Daggers, clubs, shortspears, spears,
darts, javelins, throwing axes, light hammers, tridents,
shuriken, and nets are thrown weapons. The wielder
applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown
weapons (except for splash weapons). It is possible to throw
a weapon that isn’t designed to be thrown (that is, a melee
weapon that doesn’t have a numeric entry in the Range
column on Table 6–4), and a character who does so takes
a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or onehanded
weapon is a standard action, while throwing a twohanded
weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the
type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a
natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit.
Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.
The Throw Anything feat simply removes the penalty for improvised thrown weapons.
That is why I was Confused because in the beginning of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook in the Equipment section it states that "Melee weapons are used for making melee attacks, though some of them can be thrown as well. Ranged weapons are thrown weapons or projectile weapons that are not effective in melee." which is confusing because is a thrown weapon a melee weapon, a ranged weapon, both or something in its own group.
Mok wrote: One of the problems with the throwing rules in general are that they give no weight guidelines. Everything is based on bulk, but not mass, and so it's both wide open in what is possible, but also restrictive in effect.
The heaviest weapon in the game is the double crossbow (18 lb), followed by the orc and dwarf double weapons (15 lb). What happens if I want to throw a 50 lb rock? What if my 20 Strength makes lifting 100 lb rocks well under my light load and I want to throw one of those at someone?
Sure, there is the hurling powers for barbarians to use as guidelines, but even then it goes off of size, rather than weight. The Improvised Weapon Mastery even confuses things more by caping damage at 2d6.
It would be great if there was a unified throwing mechanic to tie all of the disparate rules into one coherent system, and showed how things scaled from the human level of realism, all the way up to the demi-god status of 20th level, when martial characters could well have strength scores in the 40's or 50's. What happens when you have a 40 strength and want to pick up a tree or boulder and throw it at someone?
Not that this has anything to do with pathfinder but in the old dnd 3.5 book complete warrior there were rules on doing dammage with improvised weapons with weight hopefully pathfinders new book(Ultimate combat) or maybe another later book will have something like this or similar to help people out with thrown weapons.
Cheddahbob wrote: Not that this has anything to do with pathfinder but in the old dnd 3.5 book complete warrior there were rules on doing dammage with improvised weapons with weight hopefully pathfinders new book(Ultimate combat) or maybe another later book will have something like this or similar to help people out with thrown weapons. Unless I've overlooked something, UC doesn't do anything for throwing, at least in a clear cut and universal way.
I will check out CW to see if that'll help in homebrewing though, thanks!
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