
Shifty |

Yeah... it sucks, let's be plain about it, lol.
Yeah ok, it sucks :)
Still, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff you CAN do.
Hey did you ever get back to us on what happened about that old friend you were going to meet? Or was the lack of news a sign for us to 'move on'?

Bree Longfield |

Bree Longfield wrote:Yeah... it sucks, let's be plain about it, lol.Yeah ok, it sucks :)
Still, I'm sure there's plenty of stuff you CAN do.
Hey did you ever get back to us on what happened about that old friend you were going to meet? Or was the lack of news a sign for us to 'move on'?
Oh yes there is plenty I can still do.
Old friend? Are you talking about Bree going to look for her old friends to bring in more customers to the Goblin?

Tirion Jörðhár |

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Zyren Zemerys |

Speaking of Neil Gaiman - Troll Bridge is one of my all-time favorite short stories.
@Tirion: Do you by chance own the White Wolf Changeling the Lost or Changeling the Dreaming rulebook? They abound of fluff that can surely be used toplay a changeling in Golarion - Haunting of Harrowstone does not present so much fluff...

Bree Longfield |

Ah, OK. No, we haven't set a definitive time for him to come down yet. It's one of those things that we'll probably keep talking about until we're old and gray but never get around to doing, lol. Trust me, if he does ever make it down I'll be elated and be sure to let you know ;)

Kanyk |

Yeah, pretty much. It all adds up to taxes on everything being too high, cost of living is higher than the average wage, apartments are exorbitantly expensive and so all the protests. Apparently about 4% of the population of the country were protesting in Tel Aviv at one point.

Kanyk |

True, after all the student protests and then the riots in the UK I was mildly amazed that with so many people protesting in Israel there so far has not been a single reported bit of violence. That was until I went to a protest, which turned out to be more like some kind of big open air festival thing. Bands playing, random tents all over the place selling drinks, families with young children and everyone just seems to be enjoying themselves. There was lots of slogan chanting but no one seems angry at all, everyone just seems to be happy to be there.

Shifty |

But I have to ask 'who cares'?
Why is it that people get hung up on what someone else has?
Will my life be ruined if I don't have a 50" plasma? if I drive an 'ok' car? That 'holidays' are a pretty basic affair? That my meals aren't all gourmet?
As long as you have enough to put a roof over your head, and meals on the table I reckon thats blessing enough - if there's more for extras then even better :)
There's so much free stuff out there, but people always seem to want 'stuff'.

Bilbo Bang-Bang |

I am inclined to agree with you,Shifty. I came up dirt poor and managed to become the only one in my family with a college degree paid for with my own money to boot. I have never once asked why didn't have the things that my friends had and have enjoyed those blessings I have recieved. The things that I have truly wanted,I went out and worked hard to get. Now the issues with poeple protesting high taxes or some sort of other governmental abuse is all fine, but those who feel you can't have a good life without a yacht and a Benz need to get their minds right.

Shifty |

I am inclined to agree with you,Shifty. I came up dirt poor and managed to become the only one in my family with a college degree paid for with my own money to boot.
Same!
First one in the family with a tertiary education. Struck off on my own at age 16 with $100 in my pocket, an interstate bus ticket, a bag of clothes, and the world at my feet :p
I have nice things now, which I earned, and I have seen a lot of the world by taking advantage of good deals and opportunities - and accepting the knocks the come with "flexibility". There is an abundance of great stuff to go and see and do, and just about anything you need is available - you just need to tone down the whack expectations.

Bree Longfield |

My grandparents on my father's side went to college and are what most would consider "Middle Class". My father attended college for awhile but did not complete it. My mother comes from the poorest of the poor, when she was a child, if she were to drop her plate of food on the floor she would either have to eat it off the floor or go without because there just wasn't anymore. She has an 8th grade education.
My older brother dropped out at 16 and got his GED. I graduated high school in '01 but didn't start college until '06. I now have 2 Associate Degrees, graduating Summa Cum Laude and am working on a Bachelors now. My youngest brother graduated high school but has not taken any college courses, instead opting for working himself to death while he supports his wife and two kids (a third is on the way). I use Federal Financial Aid to make my way through college, and I'm OK with that.
Goodnight everyone!

TarkXT |

But I have to ask 'who cares'?
Why is it that people get hung up on what someone else has?
Will my life be ruined if I don't have a 50" plasma? if I drive an 'ok' car? That 'holidays' are a pretty basic affair? That my meals aren't all gourmet?
As long as you have enough to put a roof over your head, and meals on the table I reckon thats blessing enough - if there's more for extras then even better :)
There's so much free stuff out there, but people always seem to want 'stuff'.
There's quite a bit more to that. THe middle class in some countries are quite simply disappearing. More and more people are ending up below the poverty line while others end up with more money then they'll ever spend in their lifetimes. When you have this kind of disparity that's when revolutions, the bloody kind, occur.
And it's not as if people aren't working their asses off. A lot of it has to do with corporate corruption, changing business practices, and higher costs of living. Companies are failing but they have the power and influence to beg for bailouts. This, while the countries in question are up to their ears in debt. Their's quite frankly a lot to be unhappy about. The only miracle is that people in the U.S. haven't started rioting yet.

Zyren Zemerys |

Same here in Germany, a lot of jobs (postman, hairdresser, nurse, construction worker etc.) with a standard forty hour working week, can't support a normal family any more, that's what I meant when I said the gap between rich and poor has rached an alarming degree. People will fight/riot for their living when they are forced to :/

Zyren Zemerys |

Justified protests I think. During the heyday of industrial revolution in Germany there was a law stating that factory owners were not allowed to earn more than 3000% of the salary of their workers - good idea, yet I think, you would need a global government to realize such a thing, otherwise the companies just move...

voodoo chili |

huh, interesting that many of the folks here had to work their way up. we were solidly middle class until my mom divorced when i was a baby. then it was government housing and food if we could get it. i've got a couple degrees now and have had the opportunity for really solid jobs, but just can't take our society or consumer culture seriously. it just makes me sad honestly.
I think the reason so many people want all the STUFF (and debt) is that when you cut it to the core. we are just status seeking monkeys. look at me! look at me! see what i've got!
and I agree, the corporations are really running the show now. just look at the tax rates over the last 50 years and follow the money, as they say.
Honestly the economic crises don't worry me nearly as much as the ecological crisis though. we've been pretty clever monkeys so far- but Ma Nature bats last. I think we're just seeing the leading edge of drought and floods that are going to affect food supply and it's all fun and games until people get hungry.
**end of rant**

Pitr Jendarne |

On an unrelated matter:
@ HOLs: This time it really looks like we lost Zahur :/
Za-who? hmmm, looked at his last post and he mentioned his wife was away for a couple months. If they had kids that might be the reason we won't be hearing anything. (or else he's moved in with the opera star.)
i'd forgotten, but both Basili and Zahur kind of evaporated. Good thing Harl and Johenric stepped up. I think we're fine.

Bree Longfield |

Afternoon everyone :)
@voodoo chilli I think a part of the reason why we are obsessed with consumerism is that we all feel something missing but are either consciously unaware of it or simply unsure of what it is and so are constantly seeking out something to fill it with. The problem is, trying to fill this hole with anything tangible is like trying to force a square peg into a circle hole... and as we all learned as little ones, that just doesn't work.
My personal philosophy is that this is a global phenomenon to be found in all "prospering" countries because, it seems to me, that the further we get away from living as the animals that we are in a natural environment filled with the natural pursuit of our basic necessities and heeding the call of our natural instincts (as opposed to ignoring them as we are taught in modern societies) the more depressed we get. The more empty our lives feel, the more we feel inclined to chase after that next "thing" that is being sold to us by the media or by our own covetous desires. Yet when we get that "thing" we realize that it isn't the "thing" that we need, the "thing" that is going to make that "something is missing" feeling go away, so we go searching for the next square peg never seeing the circle hole.

Jink |

Hey DMZ. Garabbott forgot to tell he was gone for the weekend. I believe he'll be posting tomorrow. He apologizes.
And, sweet, leveled. HD 1d8 ⇒ 4

Vaughn Elliot |

On the disparity of wealth: I'm not sure how much folks would *care* if "you have a yacht and I don't" if money didn't also buy influence and power.
Sure, any schmo without two nickles to rub together still gets one vote come voting day . . . but the rich guys can buy a few senators and get ALL the votes ALL the time. (I'm oversimplifying, but the point is still valid)
When money and influence can get someone like George W Bush in the White House, there's a problem.