I'll be back in this thread in 6 months to offer cheap and efficient abortions to people who say LOL a lot, because it's clearly undesirable for them to spread their DNA any further. :)
LOL
I'll be back in this thread in 6 months to offer cheap and efficient abortions to people who say LOL a lot, because it's clearly undesirable for them to spread their DNA any further. :)LOL
I don't think there is much danger of their DNA being spread in any case.
I don't think there is much danger of their DNA being spread in any case.
Wait for it...
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I don't think there is much danger of their DNA being spread in any case.Wait for it...
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Without any context to this statement, it holds about as much weight as the pixels of this post.
Oh, and one more note. HeroClix is doing really, really well right now for WizKids. Their new sets that have print runs that are supposed to last six months are selling out in six weeks. Or less. They have even had some sets that sold out before they were released. Doesn't sound like a failing industry to me.-Lisa
If it comes from the CEO of the company, not to mention a very smart and dialed-in person like Lisa. I would say it hold quite a bit of weight!
I tend to trust what Lisa says.
I then to believe that the CEO of one company talking to the CEO of another company about a partnership holds about as much weigt as you can get.
Not that I'm commenting on Lisa's weight or anything :-)
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Without any context to this statement, it holds about as much weight as the pixels of this post.
Oh, and one more note. HeroClix is doing really, really well right now for WizKids. Their new sets that have print runs that are supposed to last six months are selling out in six weeks. Or less. They have even had some sets that sold out before they were released. Doesn't sound like a failing industry to me.-Lisa
Without any context? What context are you looking for. The meaning is pretty clear, and the facts are pretty self explanatory. I do not think this word means what you think it means.
As for the weight of the post, its weight is relevant to the trust the reader has for the poster. I don't think you want to compare the weight of your post to that of Lisa'a
I'll be back in this thread in 6 months to offer cheap and efficient abortions to people who say LOL a lot, because it's clearly undesirable for them to spread their DNA any further. :)
I'll be back in 3 months to perform efficient pro-active euthanasia on people who actually say LOL, as well as use several other things (like plurals with apostrophes, getting you're/your confused, getting they're/their/there confused, getting its/it's confused, as well as similar problems), because it's clearly undesirable for us to let them spread their DNA any further or use up our precious resources.
LMAOI don't think there is much danger of their DNA being spread in any case.Wait for it...
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You just lost your Painless Way privileges.
Without any context? What context are you looking for. The meaning is pretty clear, and the facts are pretty self explanatory. I do not think this word means what you think it means.
What facts?
I don't perhaps by looking at it by:1. If it's not failing why has Wizkids been sold twice?
2. Are the runs the same number as they were 5 years ago?
3. Why have so many companies failed in the PPM market?
As for the weight of the post, its weight is relevant to the trust the reader has for the poster. I don't think you want to compare the weight of your post to that of Lisa'a
I'm not comparing her 'authority' to mine. I am saying she didn't say anything but corp speak. Personally, no she doesn't have much weight in my book. When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.
Take this concept further, we have now what the 'iconic' characters or some such. So let's just limit the offering to PCs
That will be
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miniatures just with the corebook alone add in APG and Ultimates and your looking at
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How long is it going to take them to do all of that? And we haven't even gotten to creatures yet, you know that whole other part that has been what so many on this thread has been talking about.
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Without any context? What context are you looking for. The meaning is pretty clear, and the facts are pretty self explanatory. I do not think this word means what you think it means.What facts?
I don't perhaps by looking at it by:
1. If it's not failing why has Wizkids been sold twice?
2. Are the runs the same number as they were 5 years ago?
3. Why have so many companies failed in the PPM market?
1. the first sale was because it was so popular. Topps bought wizkids because of their patents, and how they could expand the clix patent to sports properties. Once the trial of this failed, they lost interest in the property and tried to change the rules. NECCA alrady had deals with plastic companies for their action figures, where topps didn't so their cosh was most likly less when they bought Wizkids from Topps
2. Last I heard they were about 3 times the size of what they were in the sets 4-5 years ago (edit at least that was the rumors based on case number information:
Old sets:
Hypertime 8500 cases
Icons 3799 cases (seems low, must not include 96ct boosters)
Collateral Damage 8320 cases
Universe 96ct boosters 1500 cases
Fantastic Forces 9000 cases
Sinister 9290 cases
Indy 600 cases
Since NECCA bouth them out
31,000 cases, and they have been selling out before they are released
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What facts?
I don't perhaps by looking at it by:
1. If it's not failing why has Wizkids been sold twice?
2. Are the runs the same number as they were 5 years ago?
3. Why have so many companies failed in the PPM market?
Again, I don't think the word means what you think it means. Lisa said several factual statements. I didn't factcheck because I believe her. She didn't say "I feel" or "My opinion is" That is a fact. Just because they were not the facts YOU were looking for does not make them opinions.
I'm not comparing her 'authority' to mine. I am saying she didn't say anything but corp speak.
As for the weight of the post, its weight is relevant to the trust the reader has for the poster. I don't think you want to compare the weight of your post to that of Lisa'a
I don't recall saying anything about authority, that word you have in quotes above. You just pulled that from somewhere. I talked about the weight of the post. You may feel it has little, but I know your are wrong. Maybe you have a problem believing it, but I can guarantee that it carries a lot of weight here. That by the way is a "fact" based upon observation.
(Another poster already provided some more of them for you to look over and get familiar with the concept.)
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Here this might help you out.
www.dictionary.com.
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Take this concept further, we have now what the 'iconic' characters or some such. So let's just limit the offering to PCs
That will be
154
miniatures just with the corebook alone add in APG and Ultimates and your looking at
308How long is it going to take them to do all of that? And we haven't even gotten to creatures yet, you know that whole other part that has been what so many on this thread has been talking about.
I really don't know what you are talking about here. Maybe you should add some context. Are you still talking about credibility? If so, this makes no sense. If you are talking about the figures, maybe you should explain better, what point you are trying to get across?
(This is a guess, not a fact). Are you trying to say making all the iconics will take a long time? If you are, then you are right, if you try to make every class/race combo. I don't know what that has to do with the conversation though. I don't recall any of the context or facts above to include anything about this as being the direction Paizo is going in.
Without any context to this statement, it holds about as much weight as the pixels of this post.
Oh, and one more note. HeroClix is doing really, really well right now for WizKids. Their new sets that have print runs that are supposed to last six months are selling out in six weeks. Or less. They have even had some sets that sold out before they were released. Doesn't sound like a failing industry to me.-Lisa
If it comes from the CEO of the company, not to mention a very smart and dialed-in person like Lisa. I would say it hold quite a bit of weight!
I tend to trust what Lisa says.
I should just point out here that Lisa also owns a fairly substantial onlineretail operation. I expect she has accurate sales numbers.
1. the first sale was because it was so popular. Topps bought wizkids because of their patents, and how they could expand the clix patent to sports properties. Once the trial of this failed, they lost interest in the property and tried to change the rules. NECCA alrady had deals with plastic companies for their action figures, where topps didn't so their cosh was most likly less when they bought Wizkids from Topps2. Last I heard they were about 3 times the size of what they were in the sets 4-5 years ago (edit at least that was the rumors based on case number information:
Old sets:
Hypertime 8500 cases
Icons 3799 cases (seems low, must not include 96ct boosters)
Collateral Damage 8320 cases
Universe 96ct boosters 1500 cases
Fantastic Forces 9000 cases
Sinister 9290 cases
Indy 600 cases
Since NECCA bouth them out
31,000 cases, and they have been selling out before they are released
Booster count has changed
Neca uses 20countwhere as one like Cosmic Justice was 48 count, but later on it appears that Topps went down to a 20count as well. Kinda makes it a rather long undertaking to figure if Neca is really selling as well as it appears or if it's because of the smaller count per case.
I should just point out here that Lisa also owns a fairly substantial onlineretail operation. I expect she has accurate sales numbers.Without any context to this statement, it holds about as much weight as the pixels of this post.
Oh, and one more note. HeroClix is doing really, really well right now for WizKids. Their new sets that have print runs that are supposed to last six months are selling out in six weeks. Or less. They have even had some sets that sold out before they were released. Doesn't sound like a failing industry to me.-Lisa
If it comes from the CEO of the company, not to mention a very smart and dialed-in person like Lisa. I would say it hold quite a bit of weight!
I tend to trust what Lisa says.
Of her sales, I would hope so. Sales figures for a company other than her own, some may give it up, but since she is also in the game producing trade..wouldn't be the smartest thing for a competing company to do.
Again, I don't think the word means what you think it means. Lisa said several factual statements. I didn't factcheck because I believe her. She didn't say "I feel" or "My opinion is" That is a fact. Just because they were not the facts YOU were looking for does not make them opinions.What facts?
I don't perhaps by looking at it by:
1. If it's not failing why has Wizkids been sold twice?
2. Are the runs the same number as they were 5 years ago?
3. Why have so many companies failed in the PPM market?
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.3. Mycology . the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.
1. the parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning: it is unfair to quote out of context
2. the conditions and circumstances that are relevant to an event, fact, etc
"Oh, and one more note. HeroClix is doing really, really well right now for WizKids. Their new sets that have print runs that are supposed to last six months are selling out in six weeks. Or less. They have even had some sets that sold out before they were released. Doesn't sound like a failing industry to me."
What she say here? That a new owner is doing well with an established product? One would hope.
That new product are selling quickly? Perhaps, but lets also realize that Neca has smaller cases, so when Paizo would buy 100 cases of a set they aint getting as much as they did before and if the production runs are for 5000 cases, well sure sounds great but 5000 cases for Neca isn't the same as 5000 cases for Topps or Wizkids. When stores 'have to' buy more to keep the stock the same......
Because one company 'appears' to be doing well, it means the industry isn't failing?
There is no context
I'm not comparing her 'authority' to mine. I am saying she didn't say anything but corp speak.
As for the weight of the post, its weight is relevant to the trust the reader has for the poster. I don't think you want to compare the weight of your post to that of Lisa'aI don't recall saying anything about authority, that word you have in quotes above. You just pulled that from somewhere. I talked about the weight of the post. You may feel it has little, but I know your are wrong. Maybe you have a problem believing it, but I can guarantee that it carries a lot of weight here. That by the way is a "fact" based upon observation.
(Another poster already provided some more of them for you to look over and get familiar with the concept.)
[snark]
Here this might help you out.
www.dictionary.com.
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I would hope that her posts carry weight, it doesn't mean she is above someone questioning her.
Take this concept further, we have now what the 'iconic' characters or some such. So let's just limit the offering to PCs
That will be
154
miniatures just with the corebook alone add in APG and Ultimates and your looking at
308How long is it going to take them to do all of that? And we haven't even gotten to creatures yet, you know that whole other part that has been what so many on this thread has been talking about.
I really don't know what you are talking about here. Maybe you should add some context. Are you still talking about credibility? If so, this makes no sense. If you are talking about the figures, maybe you should explain better, what point you are trying to get across?
(This is a guess, not a fact). Are you trying to say making all the iconics will take a long time? If you are, then you are right, if you try to make every class/race combo. I don't know what that has to do with the conversation though. I don't recall any of the context or facts above to include anything about this as being the direction Paizo is going in.
Isn't thing whole thread speculation?
We've got one miniature and some vagaries' on what may or may not happen.
Hence why I said let's take this 'concept' further. You know the 'concept' of PPM for Pathfinder by Wizkids, since we are in a thread about this subject and all.
The context was the number of miniatures and how long it would take to have them produced.
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When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.
When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
To be successful, these would need to be sculpted based on Pathfinder iconics and creatures in the bestiary (original sculptures). They would also need to have round bases, which would compete directly against Reaper miniatures which have the sculpted bases that do not stand well. The only question that would remain is the price point, because it was the availability of previous miniatures from D&D, heroscape, dreamblade, etc. that made investment in miniatures worthwhile, without breaking the bank. Randomized releases help this cause, but the volume that needed to be produced was not profitable in the long term.
I would spend extra money on large creatures, but would never exceed $8 per miniature, and for the standard bases (medium size), I would not exceed $2. So there would have to be enough big spenders to push up production, so the extra on the market could be sold on ebay, or other sites at a more reasonable price.
When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
Looks who is back: Mr random-hate-I-change-the-topic-whenever-someone-prooves-me-wrong.
I remember you predicting the downfall of Paizo because of Pathfinder some time ago...
So much for your credibility.
And, no, just because Paizo seems to have betrayed 4e in your eyes doesn't make you a victim and it surely doesn't give you the right to spew your hate around here.
Please, troll off!
When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
Link? Proof? I don't remember her or any Paizo employee EVER saying anything like a "pot shot" at 4e or anyone else. 1) its just plain bad for business, since they kind of sell the products and 2) they employ alot of people who work on, and love 4e (Quite a few free lancers have and do work for both teams).
Just to get things back on track (and because I find the discussion on this page silly)
I would love to buy several pre-painted plastic BathaliansAnd why don't you? One of the first minis in the LE series.I shall buy 4 of him shortly.
Thank you, good sir. I must have skipped over him looking at the Reaper page.
Up until recently, the Legendary Encounters figures were pretty darn hard to find unless you already knew they existed.
Thanks to our favorite customer service staff in the world, this was remedied very recently, and now when you go into the RPG miniatures section of the store, Asylum is very prominently located.
I don't think the Reaper section of the store even mentions Asylum; I'm guessing that Reaper doesn't want any confusion between their unpainted metals and their prepainted plastics.
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Oh, and my two cents is that I actively dislike pogs. Either they're a portrait, which looks silly to me on a battle mat, or they're an overhead silhouette, which is dull and hard to differentiate. Give me an actual 3D representation any day, even if it's a paper stand-up. And either way they mix badly with actual minis.
Wait, is Quiterjon the industry expert who was questioning the raison d'être for Pathfinder 3 years ago?
*checks post history*
Yup that's him. Uncanny market analysis powers at work, once again! :)
Wow I guess I should feel honored that out of all the people there are on this forum you remember 1 post of mine from <looks it up> Mar 22, 2008. It must've stuck with you for some reason, I mean it had 7posts in all and you didn't even post to it....wait a minute, heck I had to look it up...I bet you looked up my post history(all 51 of them, well 52 now) and found that post... you wiley rascal you. here you were making me feel all special and stuff. <wags finger at Gorbacz>
Looks who is back: Mr random-hate-I-change-the-topic-whenever-someone-prooves-me-wrong.
I remember you predicting the downfall of Paizo because of Pathfinder some time ago...
So much for your credibility.
And, no, just because Paizo seems to have betrayed 4e in your eyes doesn't make you a victim and it surely doesn't give you the right to spew your hate around here.
Please, troll off!
How about quoting me where I said such things.
I have 52 posts now on this forum I posted exactly 3 times before (March 22, 25, and 28 2008) before Dec of 2010. It shouldn't be hard to find now should it.
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Quiterjon, the only comment I'm going to make is that I'm pretty certain Lisa NEVER to a shot at, or made negative remarks about 4E. In fact, Paizo has been very firm in NOT doing this AND making sure it does not happen on their forums.
To use your own request above, how about quoting where Lisa said such things.
Lisa is a very stand-up kind of person, from what I see. Plus, she and many other Paizo employees are friends with current or ex Wizards folks.
Making that claim is simply WAY off base and, frankly, kind of uncool.
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Two character elucidations are so telling. Here is one that is more so:
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Again, I don't think the word means what you think it means. Lisa said several factual statements. I didn't factcheck because I believe her. She didn't say "I feel" or "My opinion is" That is a fact. Just because they were not the facts YOU were looking for does not make them opinions.What facts?
I don't perhaps by looking at it by:
1. If it's not failing why has Wizkids been sold twice?
2. Are the runs the same number as they were 5 years ago?
3. Why have so many companies failed in the PPM market?1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
3. Mycology . the fleshy fibrous body of the pileus in mushrooms.
1. the parts of a piece of writing, speech, etc, that precede and follow a word or passage and contribute to its full meaning: it is unfair to quote out of context
2. the conditions and circumstances that are relevant to an event, fact, etc"Oh, and one more note. HeroClix is doing really, really well right now for WizKids. Their new sets that have print runs that are supposed to last six months are selling out in six weeks. Or less. They have even had some sets that sold out before they were released. Doesn't sound like a failing industry to me."
What she say here? That a new owner is doing well with an established product? One would hope.
That new product are selling quickly? Perhaps, but lets also realize that Neca has smaller cases, so when Paizo would buy 100 cases of a set they aint getting as much as they did before and if the production runs are for 5000 cases, well sure sounds great but 5000 cases for Neca isn't the same as 5000 cases for Topps or Wizkids. When stores 'have to' buy more to keep the stock the same......
Because one company 'appears' to be doing...
You still don't seem to grasp certain concepts. Lisa gave an opinion, and back it up with some facts that she has observed. Her post had context, and weight. Your opinion that the details were not complete dosen't change that, and I really have no further intrest in trying to explain it to you and wasting more time. You have done me a service though. Now I know how much weight to give your posts. Thank you.
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When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
Not even close. Paizo staff has been MUCH kinder to WotC and 4e than I have ever been especially in public. Now... if Lisa has been tossing smack about 4e in her pillow talk.. well I'm not privy to that sort of thing. Nuthin but love for ya, Lisa! ;)
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Link? Proof? I don't remember her or any Paizo employee EVER saying anything like a "pot shot" at 4e or anyone else. 1) its just plain bad for business, since they kind of sell the products and 2) they employ alot of people who work on, and love 4e (Quite a few free lancers have and do work for both teams).When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
I would love to see an attempt to provide evidence for this baseless character criticism.
Can't wait.
I don't think the Reaper section of the store even mentions Asylum; I'm guessing that Reaper doesn't want any confusion between their unpainted metals and their prepainted plastics.
There was a LOT of confusion when we first launched the LE plastics, about which brands were going to "convert" to PPPM (NONE, all lines we had then and have now are either/or, and none that started as one ever changed to the other), which were being "replaced" etc. (NONE, while we have cancelled some licensed properties in the past, and do occasionally prune our selection down, no product line has been cancelled wholecloth since the LE line was introduced, and cetrainly none were "repalced" by it).
So yeah, we try to keep the brands Asylum and Reaper clear and distinct.
And I feel the way you do about pogs. If you're struggling for cash it might be cheaper, as you can get dozens for the same cost as 1 3d figure, but it's not (MY OPINION) the best solution for character and tactical representation. Likewise, Monopoly tokens, dice, and coins, all of which are perfectly reasonable, but none of which are "the ideal solution".
Bear in mind my bias, however.
When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
To be honest I have yet to see Lisa do this. The staff also halt most edition wars threads fairly quickly as well.
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4e.When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
I'd be curious to see what comments you are referring to. I certainly haven't seen Lisa take any pot shots at WotC or 4th Edition and I've been around here for quite a while.
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Back to the subject at hand; I have no problem with random packs. Actually, I had no qualms with the DDM line orginally until packs started including things that I (as well as other gamers) would never use in an RPG. As long as the sets include things that players would actually use in an RPG (like orc spearmen, goblin archers, et cetera) and not anything "way out there" ("Dire, Fey-Touched, Half-Fiend, Undead Were-Chihuauhas", for example) then I would be a constant customer! Actually, being the owner of six (6) chihuahuas, I personally would love some "Dire, Fey-Touched, Half-Fiend, Undead Were-Chihuauha" minis! Ms Stevens, may I put in my request now? I could send my six (6) Chihuahuas as models for the sculpts!*
*Just kidding!
To be honest I have yet to see Lisa do this. The staff also halt most edition wars threads fairly quickly as well.
Absolutely. That is the one thing that I've found over the years Paizo is universally consistent with. It's like there's an official company stance on the topic. Nobody working there ever bad-mouths 4e. I don't think I've ever seen anything beyond "more comfortable remaining with the previous edition's rules."
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As long as the sets include things that players would actually use in an RPG (like orc spearmen, goblin archers, et cetera) and not anything "way out there" ("Dire, Fey-Touched, Half-Fiend, Undead Were-Chihuauhas", for example) then I would be a constant customer!
I have to agree strongly with this. I have stacks of oddball D&D Minis that are just plain useless in my normal games. Some of them aren't even posed for combat. I'm not sure who made the decisions about what was included in those packs but it didn't seem like they were put together by someone playing D&D. I would have killed for a random "Red Hand of Doom" set.
I've since picked up a bunch of random Horrorclix minis and they are bizarrely more suitable for my games than the D&D lines.
The other (previously mentioned) huge issue with D&D minis was the lack of consistency between batches. A goblin from one batch was often completely different from a goblin in another batch. And I can't tell what race half the medium sized humanoid monsters are. Is it a hobgoblin or an orc?
I have to agree strongly with this. I have stacks of oddball D&D Minis that are just plain useless in my normal games. Some of them aren't even posed for combat. I'm not sure who made the decisions about what was included in those packs but it didn't seem like they were put together by someone playing D&D. I would have killed for a random "Red Hand of Doom" set.
Some of the oddball figures were meant to be leveraged off by them being desireable to the skirmish players. In theory it let WotC make more of the wierd minis which some people would love - and the others could trade off to skirmish people for them to use. YMMV on individual figs whether they got that right.
The other (previously mentioned) huge issue with D&D minis was the lack of consistency between batches. A goblin from one batch was often completely different from a goblin in another batch. And I can't tell what race half the medium sized humanoid monsters are. Is it a hobgoblin or an orc?
Heh - I can remember some of the Harbinger minis being fairly 'interesting' in their interpretation. Size ratios were out a fair bit early on (dwarves the same height as humans, etc). They did improve alot over the course of the sets though, and the latter sets did have some pretty nice looking commons. (They also had some pretty fugly commons as well)
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I don't think the Reaper section of the store even mentions Asylum; I'm guessing that Reaper doesn't want any confusion between their unpainted metals and their prepainted plastics.
We actually do have a link to Legendary Encounters from the Reaper section (/store/byCompany/r/reaperMiniatures/byProductType/miniatures/legendaryEncou nters), but you don't see the word "Asylum" until you're looking at actual products. It exists because the Legendary Encounters line was originally released as a Reaper line, before Asylum was announced, and that section was that line's primary home at the time. (We've kept it there so as not to break anyones bookmarks or RSS feeds for it.)
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I have to agree strongly with this. I have stacks of oddball D&D Minis that are just plain useless in my normal games. Some of them aren't even posed for combat. I'm not sure who made the decisions about what was included in those packs but it didn't seem like they were put together by someone playing D&D. I would have killed for a random "Red Hand of Doom" set.Some of the oddball figures were meant to be leveraged off by them being desireable to the skirmish players. In theory it let WotC make more of the wierd minis which some people would love - and the others could trade off to skirmish people for them to use. YMMV on individual figs whether they got that right.
I guess, I don't buy minis to trade them, I buy them so I can use them. If I buy 24 minis and only 8 are useful then the cost per mini goes up by a factor of 3. Considering the D&D minis were over $1 each to start with the math just didn't work for me. I can buy non-random minis for far less than $3 each.
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When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
Once again, when did I take pot shots at 4e? To the best of my knowledge, I have never said anything remotely disparaging towards Wizards of the Coast (a company, btw, I helped to create) or towards 4e. Please point me towards a post I made somewhere that you consider a pot shot at 4e.
-Lisa
I'm guessing the one where you announced the start of the Pathfinder RPG.
When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
Once again, when did I take pot shots at 4e? To the best of my knowledge, I have never said anything remotely disparaging towards Wizards of the Coast (a company, btw, I helped to create) or towards 4e. Please point me towards a post I made somewhere that you consider a pot shot at 4e.
-Lisa
Don't get trolled, boss!
"Trolls!! where? Wait can we still smite trolls?..I am ..so..confused!"
So what what would a randomized pathfinder miniset look like? 5 common, 2 uncommon,1 rare maybe? People are saying that they want useful minis but what would that look like in practice? Scaling creatures, primarily humanoids as commons, fixed CR monsters as uncommon and something cool for the rare?
The main sale of prepainted minis is usually not driven by the GMs that need 12 Goblins and 5 Orcs but by the collectors who absolutely want that huge very rare Jabberwock and who sell the bazillion of Goblins they've got in the process on the secondary market.
In this way everyone wins. The collectors can go onto their little hunt and the GMs can buy what they need too.
The only problem is that some of the GMs run the risk of becoming collectors somewhere along the way *sigh*.
For this scheme to work random blind packs are best.
I also think the DDM wasn't killed by the fact that producing prepainted randomly assorted minis is not profitable ever, but by various other mistakes, being:
- too many sets in a short time
- massive quality drops between sets (bad paint jobs, bad scaling, boring sculpts)
- killing the underlying game
- inability to anticipate what minis were demanded (i.e. Dragonborn)
- strange distribution of rares (i.e. most Demons/Devils of low CR)
When you take pot shots at one company, then turn around and sell their product in your store, your credibility with me isn't very high.When did I take pot shots at any company? Seriously. I can't think of a single company that I have ever taken pot shots at in my lifetime. That just isn't me. So please elucidate me on when this happened.
-Lisa
4e.
Once again, when did I take pot shots at 4e? To the best of my knowledge, I have never said anything remotely disparaging towards Wizards of the Coast (a company, btw, I helped to create) or towards 4e. Please point me towards a post I made somewhere that you consider a pot shot at 4e.
-Lisa
I have my opinion. I still buy Paizo products. How about we put it in the closet again?
You still don't seem to grasp certain concepts. Lisa gave an opinion, and back it up with some facts that she has observed. Her post had context, and weight. Your opinion that the details were not complete dosen't change that, and I really have no further intrest in trying to explain it to you and wasting more time. You have done me a service though. Now I know how much weight to give your posts. Thank you.
It was ambiguous. Perhaps you are willing to take what someone of authority says at face value, I'm not willing to do that. Evidently from your defense I am wrong in that, but to lay my case at your feet so you can think more about it. Ponder this
2. Last I heard they were about 3 times the size of what they were in the sets 4-5 years ago (edit at least that was the rumors based on case number information:
Old sets:
Hypertime 8500 cases
Icons 3799 cases (seems low, must not include 96ct boosters)
Collateral Damage 8320 cases
Universe 96ct boosters 1500 cases
Fantastic Forces 9000 cases
Sinister 9290 cases
Indy 600 cases
Since NECCA bouth them out
31,000 cases, and they have been selling out before they are released
31,000 cases over, well without 'context'(dontcha love it), 10 releases but only 4 look like they were an actual set is around (discounting the other 6) 7,000 per set Which is lower than half of the sets Cpt kirstov posted. But it gets better, Necca's case sizes is smaller, something like 20,18(according to the internet/secondary markets) you compare that to what was done by Wizkids and Topps of 96, 48 and 20, couple that with what appears to be Necca only producing X amount of product and stopping production. (Hence why you can still buy boosters/cases/singles of old sets, but Necca produced sets are difficult[sometimes extremely] to come buy.)
Yes when someone says 'they are selling out before they are even released, so how can the industry be failing' sounds great, until you do a little research of your own and see that the production runs are limited, the amount per case is much smaller so people/collectors have to buy more cases to get the same amount, then that statement isn't as 'contextual' as it appears
Hypertime (48count/4minis per booster) [48*4*8500]1,632,000 minis
Hammer of Thor (20count/5minis per booster) to equal the same amount of product sold(minis) Neca would have to sell; 16,300 cases.
They have 31,000cases sold over 4 sets(again discounting their non-set stuff, like Jonah Hex Battle Pack, The Blackest Night Starter Set etc)
Seems there is a discrepency someplace.
But do please continue to attack me because I questioned the veracity of someone's post.