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TrollITC wrote:

May 24, 2011 (REDMOND, Wash.) – Paizo Publishing and WizKids Games announce a new partnership whereby WizKids Games will produce a special set of pre-painted plastic miniatures for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Beginner Box, an introductory boxed set slated to release in October 2011.

“We’re excited to bring the Pathfinder property to life via 3-D pre-painted fantasy miniatures” said Lax Chandra, President of WizKids Games, “Paizo’s Pathfinder RPG has emerged as a leader in the RPG category and we are looking forward to working with their great brand.”
“WizKids essentially created the pre-painted plastic miniatures category, and they’ve only gotten better in the years since,” said Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens. “We are thrilled to work with WizKids to bring our iconic characters to tabletops all over the world.”
Pathfinder RPG Beginner Box pre-painted fantasy miniatures will be available at paizo.com and through WizKids distribution partners worldwide starting in the fourth quarter of 2011.
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ABOUT WIZKIDS GAMES
A wholly owned subsidiary of the National Entertainment Collectibles Association Inc. (NECA), WizKids/NECA is a New Jersey-based game developer and publisher dedicated to creating games driven by imagination. The HeroClix brand is the most successful collectible miniatures games on the market today, with over 250 million miniature game figures sold worldwide. For additional information, visitwww.wizkidsgames.com.

So, ummm, is this true?


I recently purchased a huge collection (approximately 550 individual miniatures) of Mage Knight miniatures (made by WizKids) on eBay.

The miniatures are highly variable in terms of quality and style. Some of them are downright awesome, some of them are barely recognizable. In general I found the D&D minis to be both of a generally higher quality and to be more thematically consistent.

If WizKids is going to produce a line of Pathfinder miniatures, I hope Paizo maintains artistic control and executes the same level of quality control that WoTC did for their miniatures.

Don't get me wrong, I got a great deal on the Mage Knight minis and feel they have been a great addition to my collection. I'm busy re-basing them to fit the Pathfinder battle mat sizes. But if I paid $29.99 for a box of six of them and got some of the ones I have in my MK boxes, I would be seriously, seriously ticked off.

Sczarni

brassbaboon wrote:

I recently purchased a huge collection (approximately 550 individual miniatures) of Mage Knight miniatures (made by WizKids) on eBay.

The miniatures are highly variable in terms of quality and style. Some of them are downright awesome, some of them are barely recognizable. In general I found the D&D minis to be both of a generally higher quality and to be more thematically consistent.

If WizKids is going to produce a line of Pathfinder miniatures, I hope Paizo maintains artistic control and executes the same level of quality control that WoTC did for their miniatures.

Those mage knight figures were created in the 90s (mage knight was axes in 2000 or 2002 I think) since then the company has been bought out 2 times (once by topps - the baseball card company, and once by NECA who are best known for high quality horror movie action figures.) The figures are much better now than they were then. (take a look at the recent heroclix sets - they are really nice looking) I would love to see this if its true, not sure how it would effect reaper's sales on the metal figures though.

edit: on a related note, wizkids announced in October that they are reviving the mage knight line.

Silver Crusade

This is really exciting news. PLEASE no randomized boxes!


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

If it is true we now know what the "tokens" in the Beginner Box are.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Slipstream wrote:
This is really exciting news. PLEASE no randomized boxes!

I can almost guarantee they will be in random boxes.

EDIT: after the initial Beginner Box minis.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

If this is true, it really is the final straw in the "Who is the leader: WotC or Paizo?" question. A hot selling core game, a fully compatible boxed set for beginners, and now pre-painted plastic minis (even if they are licensed). Paizo is the new king.

Again, assuming this is infact true.


Justin Franklin wrote:
If it is true we now know what the "tokens" in the Beginner Box are.

Huh...I'm surprised that they could charge $34.99 (retail) for a box that contains 80+ prepainted plastic minis along with books, dice and a Flip-Mat. That's getting down to "big bag of little green army men" price levels. (Well, maybe not, but still...)


If Reaper was able to survive and even thrive through the D&D minis lines, then I have faith they will continue to survive and thrive through this.

As for me, my general habit is to go to Reaper when I am looking for something very specific and/or I want something of the highest quality and durability. So I tend to get Reaper figures for my PC miniatures, and use plastic minis (or minis I make myself) for my campaign creatures.

I don't see this having any impact at all on my Reaper purchases.


hogarth wrote:
Huh...I'm surprised that they could charge $34.99 (retail) for a box that contains 80+ prepainted plastic minis along with books, dice and a Flip-Mat. That's getting down to "big bag of little green army men" price levels. (Well, maybe not, but still...)

Indeed. The quality of the "tokens" in the beginer's box will be the turning point of wether or not I cancel my subcription that month. If they're old WOTC or better quality I'd buy two sets that price.

Torger


hogarth wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
If it is true we now know what the "tokens" in the Beginner Box are.
Huh...I'm surprised that they could charge $34.99 (retail) for a box that contains 80+ prepainted plastic minis along with books, dice and a Flip-Mat. That's getting down to "big bag of little green army men" price levels. (Well, maybe not, but still...)

It all boils down to materials, construction, painting and packaging.

I've seen many, many collections of plastic painted figures in the $35 range of this size and complexity for other hobbies (like doll houses, railroad building, etc.) To be successful you simply have to be able to sell enough to make the small margins profitable.

However, I doubt that the RPG market will provide that size of a market, so I would not expecdt 80+ painted minis in that price range. I would be very happily surprised, especially if they could maintain any reasonable quality control of them.


hogarth wrote:
Justin Franklin wrote:
If it is true we now know what the "tokens" in the Beginner Box are.
Huh...I'm surprised that they could charge $34.99 (retail) for a box that contains 80+ prepainted plastic minis along with books, dice and a Flip-Mat. That's getting down to "big bag of little green army men" price levels. (Well, maybe not, but still...)

This is just conjecture on my part, but I'm guessing not all of those 80 "pawns" are going to be fully painted plastic minis. Some of them might be cardboard cut-out, or unpainted plastic minis like the ones in the old Dragon Strike boardgame, and the new Ravenloft boardgame. I seriously doubt that for $34.99 they are giving you 80 fully painted plastic minis. Lisa specifically mentions in the press release something about "iconics." I bet the fully painted minis will be the player characters, and the rest will be something else. You never know though. If it's seriously 80 fully painted plastic minis, I'll buy the game just for those!


The press release says "for use with" which doesn't necessarily translate to mean "included with". Still excited to see pre-painted Pathfinder minis though!


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
IronWolf wrote:


The press release says "for use with" which doesn't necessarily translate to mean "included with". Still excited to see pre-painted Pathfinder minis though!

Agreed and I had forgotten there was going to be 80+. However it would explain why the staff has been so quiet about what the tokens are.


So I'll assume it is todays blog announcement...


NO way. This is COOL.

Liberty's Edge

Wizkids announce! Here!


Wow, that looks pretty good, actually.

I could imagine buying these as long as the prices are reasonable.


Yessssssssssssssssssssss!

Liberty's Edge

Dude, I think I filled the cup.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

To clear up a couple of points, the announcement covers a single set of non-random preprinted plastic minis that will be sold as a separate item from the Beginner Box. The minis are designed to be used for the Beginner Box, but are not included in the Beginner Box itself.

I certainly hope that the set is a big success and we do more products with WizKids, but for now we are talking about a single set of non-random minis. I have seen the preliminary sculpts and paint guides and I am blown away by the quality. I think people are going to be very impressed with the quality of these miniatures, and I will be doing everything in my power to ensure that the high standards of the material I have seen so far carries through to the final product.

WizKids has been absolutely great to work with so far and I am confident that the final product will be very impressive.


Erik Mona wrote:

To clear up a couple of points, the announcement covers a single set of non-random preprinted plastic minis that will be sold as a separate item from the Beginner Box. The minis are designed to be used for the Beginner Box, but are not included in the Beginner Box itself.

I certainly hope that the set is a big success and we do more products with WizKids, but for now we are talking about a single set of non-random minis. I have seen the preliminary sculpts and paint guides and I am blown away by the quality. I think people are going to be very impressed with the quality of these miniatures, and I will be doing everything in my power to ensure that the high standards of the material I have seen so far carries through to the final product.

WizKids has been absolutely great to work with so far and I am confident that the final product will be very impressive.

Any hints about what's included in the non-randomness? ... :)


brassbaboon wrote:

If Reaper was able to survive and even thrive through the D&D minis lines, then I have faith they will continue to survive and thrive through this.

As for me, my general habit is to go to Reaper when I am looking for something very specific and/or I want something of the highest quality and durability. So I tend to get Reaper figures for my PC miniatures, and use plastic minis (or minis I make myself) for my campaign creatures.

I don't see this having any impact at all on my Reaper purchases.

imo, i think this would be a great idea.

even through there will be plastic meanies (assuming that there will be) there will still be people, like myself, who want to find a specific model and paint it themselves. the plastic models just say to me "hey, now you dont have to paint a model for everyone at the table."

Sczarni

MendedWall12 wrote:


Any hints about what's included in the non-randomness? ... :)

I'm guessing its the PC characters - in the press release, Lisa mentions bringing the iconics to life.


For that matter, any hints about the price point?


Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Lost Omens Subscriber

The real question is, how many iconics? There are only 4 shown on the side of the Beginner's Box.

Not that 4 would be bad if the price point is right. Maybe if it sells well they'll do another set with more iconics.

Contributor

I think this is incredible news, and I hope it is just the start of a beautiful collaboration. I just picked up a ton of discount minis from this company's various lines (some for as little as a quarter!) and was blown away with their quality! Of course I'll have to re-base them, but the detail of sculpt, the paint jobs, and the use of different materials (clear epoxy effects often used in the same mini as solid-plastic, often to denote attached spirits or spell effects) is just worlds beyond anything from the WotC minis line, so I'm super stoked to read this. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's why I only bought the cool ones!

Just look at that detail on Kyra! =-)


Since this appears to be one set that is intended to go along with the Beginner game and there are hints that it will cover likely PC choices, I'm guessing not a whole lot of them, and most will be classic PF versions of the "iconic" PC choices.

However, if they are of decent quality I will buy them simply to give my economic impetus to WizKids and Paizo to do more of the same.

I highly recommend anyone who enjoys playing Pathfinder with 3D minis who has the financial wherewithal to do the same, even if you don't really think the specific minis included in the set are truly "necessary" to add to your collection. Sometimes you just have to make an investment for the future.


brassbaboon wrote:

Since this appears to be one set that is intended to go along with the Beginner game and there are hints that it will cover likely PC choices, I'm guessing not a whole lot of them, and most will be classic PF versions of the "iconic" PC choices.

However, if they are of decent quality I will buy them simply to give my economic impetus to WizKids and Paizo to do more of the same.

I highly recommend anyone who enjoys playing Pathfinder with 3D minis who has the financial wherewithal to do the same, even if you don't really think the specific minis included in the set are truly "necessary" to add to your collection. Sometimes you just have to make an investment for the future.

Totally agree. Even if I don't "need" the minis to fulfill any role in my collection, I'll still be picking them up regardless.


really great. I don't like grey figures, but can't paint :)

At first I had doubts about the quality of paint and figure. After reading Erik Monas post, I'm a bit afraid of the price.

But I hope it will be successful too, and that many more iconic "things" follow (a few goblins wouldn't hurt).

Dark Archive

Must have for me !


Fully plan on picking these up, but how does this effect the Reaper Minis (if at all)?


Between the already available miniatures, the Pathfinder Miniatures from Reaper, and Pathfinder Paper Miniatures, adding pre-painted minis to the available choices is awesome! ^_^

Silver Crusade

Great News. Glad someone picked up the ball dropped by wizards.

Just one question, hopefully someone at Paizo can answer. Do you know what scale they are in (mm)?

Wizkids Heroclix have been wildly inconsistent in size ranging close to 30mm to 35mm, where as D&D minis were somewhere between 25mm to 28mm. I know you probably aren't concerned too much with WotCs dead line, but having a mini base that plays well with the other sets existing on the market is a big concern for players. It's the reason why no one uses WoW minis, as they are just too big.

The picture of Kyra looks great though btw. Nice job.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Paizo's press release.


lordredraven wrote:

Great News. Glad someone picked up the ball dropped by wizards.

Just one question, hopefully someone at Paizo can answer. Do you know what scale they are in (mm)?

Wizkids Heroclix have been wildly inconsistent in size ranging close to 30mm to 35mm, where as D&D minis were somewhere between 25mm to 28mm. I know you probably aren't concerned too much with WotCs dead line, but having a mini base that plays well with the other sets existing on the market is a big concern for players. It's the reason why no one uses WoW minis, as they are just too big.

The picture of Kyra looks great though btw. Nice job.

I certainly hope Wizkids at least continues with the same scale of the D&D minis and does not continue the insane scale escalation that has been going on for over a decade now such that the average medium sized D&D heroic miniature on a one inch = five feet map scale end up being over eight feet tall. In fact I'd love it if they scaled it back a little. I'm really frustrated with minis that are so huge that you can't pack them into tactical formations without having to fit them together like crazy random puzzle pieces. Eventually we'll have to go to a 1.5 inch = 5 foot scale just to keep the damn characters from busting their heads on all the doors and ceilings.

/rant


Would like to see those minis in a special subscribers option similar to what was spoken about the Beginner's Box set so I don't miss 'em.

Say yes.

Sovereign Court

PAIZO - you're doing right by the gaming community, you are true stewards of our beloved game, you continue the 30+ years of history and tradition of our game, you are dedicated to high quality in all things, you make great partnership choices, you treat the gaming community with respect, and you are - in sum, the most talented, dedicated group of designers for the world's oldest rpg.

When you dedicate your game, Pathfinder RPG to Gary G, and Dave A., you truly honor them, and all of us.

Thank you so much for all you do. Please sign me up right now for any ongoing manner in which i can continue to receive high quality, pre-painted plastic miniatures based on your iconics and Bestiary I, II, and in the future III.

WAY TO GO!!!!! Woohoo!

Scarab Sages

As someone who does enjoy painting, but simply doesn't get as much time as he likes, I can see the benefit in economy ranges of unpainted or pre-painted figures, to fill out the hordes of critters a PC party will meet over the course of a campaign.

Not every NPC or monster deserves a metal figure, and if I'm going to spend my nights converting and painting, it'd better be for a PC or major NPC that takes a lot of table time.

WotC prepainted minis are great for gangs of mooks, especially as these are often the commons that people sell off for pennies. I'm not so enamoured of the overly specific sculpts on the Good factions; by definition, if a fig is of an individual, I only need one of him, if at all. Nor am I happy with the release of what I see as the later, silly creatures, while core races remain ignored.

I accept the realities of the market, that blind packaging may be inevitable, but believe this can still be done while covering the core encounters (goblins, orcs, ogres, gnolls, etc with variety of gear) required by 99% of GMs, without skidding into the territory of 'Avaricewrought Spitegobblers', or 'Faneborn Grapplemanglers'.
(Yes, I did make those two up off the top of my head).

It wouldn't hurt to focus a little more on those creatures who have changed their look between 3.5 and PF, like the goblin. That way, even those who have an extensive collection of D&D minis have a reason to take a gamble.

Shadow Lodge

Wow...

One can hope this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. The sculpt quality and paint quality on that pre-painted mini is one of the best I've seen. Nice work WizKids.


I'll probably look for this after I come home from Fur Fright, but I this a definite want for me.

The Exchange

Woot! I am very excited about this! The Paizo golems do things right, so I expect that these will be as good or better than the DDM line.

Erik & Lisa - Should the line be extended beyond the Beginner's Box, this is a product to which I would also subscribe. If other folks agree, let them know as well.


Just one thing missing... the "click HERE to pre-order" link. <Grin>

Congrats Paizo.

I've got a rather large pile of Reaper minis waiting to get some TLC but still have a hankering for new stuff. That's where the plastics come in.


Urizen wrote:

Would like to see those minis in a special subscribers option similar to what was spoken about the Beginner's Box set so I don't miss 'em.

Say yes.

THIS.

Also, for later of course, less iconics more mooks and monsters.


Ross Byers wrote:
Paizo's press release.

Beautiful work, and sold.

Dark Archive

I too would subscribe and also second the vote for some useful monsters (read also lots o Goblins).


This is actually great news, so glad to see this. I have been hoping for awhile now that Paizo would try the pre-painted plastic minis.

I know this is only confirmed for a prearranged set for the Beginner Box, but I would love to see this continue. And I also would purchase a prepainted plastic miniatures subscription if Paizo decided to continue with them.

Jon Brazer Enterprises

Here's hoping for a jabberwocky mini.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I have been hoping for this a long time, ever since they started making the unpainted minis and I posted that I hope the do Plastic pre-painted since I don't do unpainted.

I hope it continues!

Dark Archive

ABADDON YEAH!

Must have.

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