Doctor Who Series 6

[LazarX]

Dragonsong wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

Still thinking about the Silence:

It appears that machines, such as the TARDIS, can "remember" the Silence. The aliens can be recorded, and those recordings persist, even though people forget the recordings as easily as they forget the aliens.

I wonder what K-9's take on all of this is.

I'm hoping that we get the "missing episode" that takes place between "Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon".

K-9 doesn't quite have the inherent connection to all Time and Space that the TARDIS has. for that matter he's probabably nowhere near as intelligent as Mr. Sid.

But the image was from Amy's Cell phone.

Which was only functional because of it's connection to the TARDIS, given the distinct shortage of cell towers in 1969.

[Matthew Morris]

LazarX wrote:

Dragonsong wrote:

LazarX wrote:

K-9 doesn't quite have the inherent connection to all Time and Space that the TARDIS has. for that matter he's probabably nowhere near as intelligent as Mr. Sid.

But the image was from Amy's Cell phone.

Which was only functional because of it's connection to the TARDIS, given the distinct shortage of cell towers in 1969.

Mr. Sid, do you mean Mr. Smith?

And had Amy's cell been set for Universal Roaming yet? Though even with out cell phone towers, my phone's camera function works fine.

I think that machines/devices can capture the image of the Silence, but your mind edits them out. So if there's a Silence in your family photo, you see it when you look at the picture, but then your mind edits it out later. Remember, the clip from the cell phone (which clearly was set for universal roaming at that point) brodcast the Silence's image to every mundane television set around the world (and still does, since no one can 'see' the images to edit them out.)

They are able to holographic Silence, but they can't remember what it looks like. It's only with the little 'voice mail' doodads that they could understand they had the encounters at all.

Rory thoughts on these lines

Spoiler:

Would auton Rory be affected by the Silence? I understand Daleks and Cybermen would (since they have human/organic brains). And if Auton Rory wasn't affected by the silence, does that mean that it's possible human Rory might remember all the times Auton Rory saw them throughout history?

[Chris Mortika]

Auton Rory would probably remember not merely seeing them, but blasting them into bits, the better to protect the Pandorica.

[ericthecleric]

For those who are interested, this week's episode (no. 4) has been written by Neil Gaiman.

[Uchawi]

Kthulhu wrote:

Uchawi wrote:

In the episode with the weeping angels in season 5, Amy confirmed that River and the Doctor were married.

Apparently wild guessing with little basis now qualifies as "confirmation".

Then the intent of this thread is a little more serious then I first realized, or maybe you are taking it too seriously? But part of the discussion is a guess, and we will change our opinions as each new episode it released. God forbid if anyone is wrong ... gasp.

What type of facts is everyone looking for, now that the topic has been presented?

[DM Wellard]

And we have had it confirmed that Human Rory has Auton Rory's memories..

[Matthew Morris]

ericthecleric wrote:

For those who are interested, this week's episode (no. 4) has been written by Neil Gaiman.

Following in Douglas Adams footsteps ;-)

[Matthew Morris]

I also wanted to add, I'm glad we're seeing more of the inside of the Tardis. Very 'throwback' to the previous series. That's why I cheered at the swimming pool.

[Jeremy Mcgillan]

Just FYI there is an episode coming up called "The Doctors Wife"

[Navior]

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Just FYI there is an episode coming up called "The Doctors Wife"

That's this week's episode, written by Neil Gaiman.

[Epic Meepo]

Navior wrote:

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Just FYI there is an episode coming up called "The Doctors Wife"

That's this week's episode, written by Neil Gaiman.

I prefer Mr. Gaiman's original title for the episode ("The House of Nothing").

[Samnell]

Epic Meepo wrote:

Navior wrote:

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Just FYI there is an episode coming up called "The Doctors Wife"

That's this week's episode, written by Neil Gaiman.

I prefer Mr. Gaiman's original title for the episode ("The House of Nothing").

I see what Neil did there.

[Chris Mortika]

(What did Neil do?)

[Samnell]

Chris Mortika wrote:

(What did Neil do?)

Nothing is an Elizabethan slang term for lady parts. Gaiman certainly has the education and background to know it and if the preview at the end of last week's episode is any indication, he had to have meant it.

And yes, the Bard meant it in Much Ado About Nothing too. :)

[Vic Wertz]

Epic Meepo wrote:

Navior wrote:

Jeremy Mcgillan wrote:

Just FYI there is an episode coming up called "The Doctors Wife"

That's this week's episode, written by Neil Gaiman.

I prefer Mr. Gaiman's original title for the episode ("The House of Nothing").

The new title is actually a nod to a point of classic series trivia. In 1984, the Doctor Who production office was having a problem with information leaking out prematurely, and in order to catch the culprit, producer John Nathan-Turner deliberately spread some misinformation, including a story list that replaced "The Caves of Androzani" with "The Doctor's Wife." (It did actually leak to fandom at the time, but I've never heard whether or not it helped identify the source of the leak.)

[Matthew Morris]

There's an additional level of amusement to 'The Doctor's Wife' then.

Stephen Moffit recently went into a rant about spoilers.

[HalfOrcHeavyMetal]

Just waiting to see how many heads will explode in a row ....

Edit: Curious ... seems the link is stuck in a perpetual loop back to the top of this page..... I've created my own Paradox .....

Let us try this again ....

[Genova]

HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:

Just waiting to see how many heads will explode in a row ....

It's blank.......

[Snorb]

They just had a line that referenced the Seventh Doctor! =D

[Matthew Morris]

Snorb wrote:

They just had a line that referenced the Seventh Doctor! =D

Which one? Jetisoning parts of the Tardis brought back memories of the Fifth Doctor.

[Matthew Morris]

As did the Eye of Orion.

[Snorb]

The line "Patchwork people... I had an umbrella just like you once!"

Unless it was Sixth Doctor who had the umbrella. Time to go through the DVD stack!

(And how did I miss the Fifth Doctor reference! >_<)

[Nevynxxx]

Brilliant episode. Sexy brought a tear to my eye.

Also the confidential is great. Neil Gaiman reading bits of the script.

[Chris Mortika]

I think I would have liked the original title better.

[Robert Little]

HalfOrcHeavyMetal wrote:

Just waiting to see how many heads will explode in a row ....

Edit: Curious ... seems the link is stuck in a perpetual loop back to the top of this page..... I've created my own Paradox .....

Let us try this again ....

I'm a bigger fan of this version.

[Matthew Morris]

Snorb wrote:

The line "Patchwork people... I had an umbrella just like you once!"

Unless it was Sixth Doctor who had the umbrella. Time to go through the DVD stack!

(And how did I miss the Fifth Doctor reference! >_<)

Ah, I wasn't sure if that was directed at Seven or not.

Did anyone else want to see the 'old control room' being from the Baker era?

[seekerofshadowlight]

Well they did still have most of the set laying around from the last control room.

[Epic Meepo]

Snorb wrote:

The line "Patchwork people... I had an umbrella just like you once!"

Unless it was Sixth Doctor who had the umbrella. Time to go through the DVD stack!

(And how did I miss the Fifth Doctor reference! >_<)

The seventh Doctor is the one with the patchwork umbrella.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the anecdote about the robot that gets beheaded is another Fifth Doctor reference. And the Third Doctor once traveled using an exposed TARDIS console.

[Vic Wertz]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Did anyone else want to see the 'old control room' being from the Baker era?

If you mean the old wooden one, I very much did.

I have a vague recollection that that set warped terribly in storage and was mostly discarded.

[Mark Norfolk]

I was expecting an early bright white contol room. I thought the ringer that Sexy and the Doctor put together was similar in design to the 'Primary Control Room', shaving mirror and all. Be grateful it wasn't the keyboard nightmare of The Five Doctors onwards.

It makes sense that it was the 2005 era console room - it was right there in the studio. Now it's in an exhibition, they need to keep it around, of course, for 2013!

Cheers
Mark

[Matthew Morris]

More Amy speculation:

Spoiler:

could the one eyed woman be a Time Lord? Or a Time Lord midwife? The appearing/disappearing windows could literally be her 'peering in' on the universe, which would also explain how the Doctor can't sense any more Time Lords. Given the Rani's history of experimentation, I'd love it if it were her.

[Dragonsong]

About the Tadis control room.

Thats a pretty epic contest for kids!

[LazarX]

Chris Mortika wrote:

Auton Rory would probably remember not merely seeing them, but blasting them into bits, the better to protect the Pandorica.

Why? his Human emulation was good enough that he was probably as susceptible to them as anyone else. Could be that the Silents stayed well away from the Pandorica for lack of any reason to fool around with it.

[LazarX]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Did anyone else want to see the 'old control room' being from the Baker era?

I'd have liked to see it, but they made a good choice, since the "changed the desktop" rant ties rather nicely to the Davison/Tennant special.

[Matthew Morris]

Interesting

Spoiler:

So now we have little time ladies, shroedinger's pregnancy, and a way to make a duplicate Time Lord, women outside peering into reality.. I wonder if he'll regenerate.

[Mark Norfolk]

Matthew Morris wrote:

Interesting

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Spoiler:

We've already seen him try, I think. He got shot before he finished in The Impossible Astronaut.Maybe the astronaut was the real Doctor.....

Cheers
Mark

[DM Wellard]

Mark Norfolk wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

Interesting

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Cheers
Mark

Spoiler:

Now that theory actually makes sense

[Matthew Morris]

Mark Norfolk wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

Interesting

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Cheers
Mark

I still think:

Spoiler:

it's River in the space suit, but that is an excellent theory. I do wonder what would happen if you exposed the distress beacons in House's bubble to the flesh.

[Epic Meepo]

Matthew Morris wrote:

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Ooh, I didn't even think about those beacons. That would be pretty cool.

[Dragonsong]

Spoiler:

I am wondering if there is something about the Dr's line about its an early version of the technology that may be more relevant for the season rather than just this 2-parter. Like an early version of regeneration technology.

I love the speculations as much as I do watching the episodes.

[Epic Meepo]

Dragonsong wrote:

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I love the speculations as much as I do watching the episodes.

Spoiler:

The flesh technology made me think of the Autons. In fact, I'm guessing Rory's memories of Auton Rory are probably the reason he feels so protective of fleshy girl.

[Dragonsong]

Epic Meepo wrote:

Dragonsong wrote:

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I love the speculations as much as I do watching the episodes.

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I could see that easily being the case especially as that event in Rory's life keeps coming up this season.

[Andrew Betts]

Spoiler:

The Flesh was also what the New Humans were called by the cat ladies at the hospital in Series 2

[baron arem heshvaun]

Daleks as Tikis

[Matthew Morris]

Andrew Betts wrote:

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Damn, I'd missed that.

Spoiler:

and I'm hoping Auton Rory comes up, it's part of his character, and would go a long way to developing him. I'm still betting that someone's building a Time Lord

The Doctor's Wife speculation.

Spoiler:

What if Amy is a proto Tardis due to the timey-wimey space reboot? Worse, what if Amy becomes the Tardis? I mean it would explain the (annoying) change in the opening from Amys POV...

The universe reboot does raise all sorts of headaches.

Non-speculation spoiler

Spoiler:

I was hoping actually that the Doctor they were dealing with a Flesh clone and the reveal at the end would have been the 'real' doctor.

[Mark Norfolk]

Matthew Morris wrote:

The universe reboot does raise all sorts of headaches.

Too true! What has actually been erased? The Daleks moving the Earth seems to have gone but what else we don't know. Then again Amy was ignorant of the trip to and from the Medusa Cascade before the Pandorica incident. Sarah had memories of Ten's last visit an Jack was brooding over his grandson so anything with Torchwood and any event resulting in the Doctor regenerating is still in the mix, but did anything else happen?

Cheers
Mark

[LazarX]

Mark Norfolk wrote:

Matthew Morris wrote:

The universe reboot does raise all sorts of headaches.

Too true! What has actually been erased? The Daleks moving the Earth seems to have gone but what else we don't know. Then again Amy was ignorant of the trip to and from the Medusa Cascade before the Pandorica incident. Sarah had memories of Ten's last visit an Jack was brooding over his grandson so anything with Torchwood and any event resulting in the Doctor regenerating is still in the mix, but did anything else happen?

Cheers
Mark

Do you know how conventional holograms work? A hologram is projected by firing a laser onto a film and a 3d still image is created. If you take that film and cut it in half and put one half of the film in it's place you still get the whole image but it's fuzzier and the detail isn't quite as good. You can keep cutting slices and what you'll get is still the whole image with the detail getting worse as the pieces get smaller. What Amy had was essentially a small slice of the entire holographic memory of the multiverse given a hell of an enhancement by the Pandoricon powered by an exploding TARDIS. So it's not surprising of there are details which did not get brought back. And there may very well have things she unconciously suppressed like the Weeping Angels.

[Mark Norfolk]

Not sure about that analogy but yes, the effects of the Pandorica reboot were evident before we saw it on the telly. The effect on the show is that the writers can pick and choose what happened in the past, but it makes a continuity nightmare for fans. Basically there is no continuity....

Steven Moffat did want to reset things so present day earth was still surprised at aliens and the Doctor wasn't quite so famous across the universe....

Cheers
Mark

[Nevynxxx]

Grrr something ate my post!

Episode6:

So according to the Confidential, Amy has been flesh since the start of Episode 1 of this season. I would have pegged it as the point they rescued her from The Silence. So who did it?

In other news, The child is to become "a weapon"?? how does that work? This is getting really, really interesting.

[Mynameisjake]

Did I miss an episode? I didn't think there was one on this past weekend.