O.k. I'll say it. -4 CHA except for Intimidate. If momma ain't happy, ain't no one happy.
Alternatively, I might as well just give her the Rage class power for the duration of the pregnancy. When baby snorts up those nostril flares, I can't imagine the mother being too happy.
Dragons age really slowly so I think a half dragon like half elves would grow up slower and have a longer gestation period.
I think I'll take your word on this one, I can certainly imagine a half-dragon child taking longer to develop than a pure human one. It's also a tad more convenient for the PC, for the time being.
We have had more than a couple of pregnant women at our LARP. They usually stop playing for a while after the first few months, they do not run, and avoid melee like the plague(there is a special rule that says you cannot be hit while pregnant).
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Belt of Baby Blooming
Strong Transmutation. Belt slot.
This large, silken belt was commissioned by the all female Order of the Valkyrie 300 years ago. It’s primary purpose is to assist female adventurers develop their unborn child in a much more rapid rate than ordinary biology would normally allow.
The item has no effect on adventurers who are not pregnant. When a pregnant female adventurer wears the belt, they gain a +4 fortitude save against nausea and disease. They are immune to morning sickness and the foetus is protected from a number of effects that would cause miscarriage. In addition, one month of foetus development is hastened to one week. The primary downside is the female adventurer wearing the belt develops an utterly ravenous appetite that must be constantly met. Most female adventurers wearing the Belt of Baby Blooming in close proximity to a larder or overstocked supply of rations. A character wearing the belt must consume three times their ordinary rate when wearing the belt.
If the belt is removed, foetus development slows to its normal rate.
Market rate: 10,000 gold. Can be loaned out to ‘Womyn of High Standing’ by female members of the Order of the Valkyrie. Cannot be crafted by a mage without blueprints provided by the Order.
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If the woman hates her baby that much that she walks into battle, why doesn´t she abort it right on the spot?
"You got bitten by a giant centipede. Babys Constitution is about 2, it has a real bad fortitude-score. Fortitude save fails of course, baby takes 1d3 CON damage... err... yeah, it´s dead." (the centipedes poison is injected into the blood stream, which leads to the womb. While there´s no rule about if the baby shares the fortitude save of the mother, I´d say it doesn´t. But even if it did, if the save fails, the baby is dead.)
"After nine months of fighting against the evil undead wizard, your baby is born. It has nine beautiful eyes and very healthy looking tentacles." (if the teratogens the mother is subjected to do not kill the baby, they will surely harm it in another way. We are not talking about fetal alcohol disorders, we are talking about fetal dark magic disorders, caused by dark magic from necromancers, transmuters, protean alien beings...)
"The heroes approched Xorm, Lord of the evil Horde. He looks stern at the heroes, eager to fight when suddenly something makes a squeak. Xorm takes a closer look, only to be puzzled by the fact, that his enemies are carrying a babies carriage with them." (even if there is some great orphany where you put the baby into, do you really want to leave a possible hostage which cannot defend itself behind?)
On the other hand, imagine your character saying "I AM your mother! Kchhh Kchhh Kchhh" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
If the woman hates her baby that much that she walks into battle, why doesn´t she abort it right on the spot?
"You got bitten by a giant centipede. Babys Constitution is about 2, it has a real bad fortitude-score. Fortitude save fails of course, baby takes 1d3 CON damage... err... yeah, it´s dead." (the centipedes poison is injected into the blood stream, which leads to the womb. While there´s no rule about if the baby shares the fortitude save of the mother, I´d say it doesn´t. But even if it did, if the save fails, the baby is dead.)
"After nine months of fighting against the evil undead wizard, your baby is born. It has nine beautiful eyes and very healthy looking tentacles." (if the teratogens the mother is subjected to do not kill the baby, they will surely harm it in another way. We are not talking about fetal alcohol disorders, we are talking about fetal dark magic disorders, caused by dark magic from necromancers, transmuters, protean alien beings...)
"The heroes approched Xorm, Lord of the evil Horde. He looks stern at the heroes, eager to fight when suddenly something makes a squeak. Xorm takes a closer look, only to be puzzled by the fact, that his enemies are carrying a babies carriage with them." (even if there is some great orphany where you put the baby into, do you really want to leave a possible hostage which cannot defend itself behind?)On the other hand, imagine your character saying "I AM your mother! Kchhh Kchhh Kchhh" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
This is how many a sorcerer bloodlines start.
I don’t think there necessarily should be any effects to the PC due to the pregnancy. Fighting normally while pregnant is well within the bounds of a heroic fantasy. But what is the fun it that, right?
My suggestion for a simple, impactful and still loosely simulationist way to do it…
Pregnant:
Note: Pregnancy modifiers are cumulative.
1st Trimester: No modifiers.
2nd Trimester: +2 Wis, -2 Con
3rd Trimester: +2 Cha, -2 Dex
Two Weeks Before Due Date: +2 Cha, -2 Dex, -2 Str
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After she gives birth those modifiers are gone, but gains the…
Post-partum:
Note: Post-partum modifiers are not cumulative.
First Week After Birth: +4 Wis, -4 Con, -2 Dex, -2 Str
1d4 Additional Weeks: +2 Wis, -2 Con
I don’t think there necessarily should be any effects to the PC due to the pregnancy. Fighting normally while pregnant is well within the bounds of a heroic fantasy. But what is the fun it that, right?
My suggestion for a simple, impactful and still loosely simulationist way to do it…
Pregnant:
Note: Pregnancy modifiers are cumulative.
1st Trimester: No modifiers.
2nd Trimester: +2 Wis, -2 Con
3rd Trimester: +2 Cha, -2 Dex
Two Weeks Before Due Date: +2 Cha, -2 Dex, -2 Str-
After she gives birth those modifiers are gone, but gains the…
Post-partum:
Note: Post-partum modifiers are not cumulative.
First Week After Birth: +4 Wis, -4 Con, -2 Dex, -2 Str
1d4 Additional Weeks: +2 Wis, -2 Con
Why are you bonusing wisdom? Pregnant women are crazy, which is the very definition of a low wisdom.
See above.
Why are you bonusing wisdom? Pregnant women are crazy, which is the very definition of a low wisdom.
Lol, what? Yeah, he could make the PC go crazy from getting pregnant – just not my experience I guess. Known some crazy pregnant women, but they were all crazy before that :P
Lol, what? Yeah, he could make the PC go crazy from getting pregnant – just not my experience I guess. Known some crazy pregnant women, but they were all crazy before that :P
So you're saying ALL women should have a low wisdom, eh?
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Nah, just that men can never be as wise as a pregnant women and so should serve them.
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Maybe a Cha bonus would be better... who can deny her right?
So a pregnant woman was giving my friend a really hard time -- nothing he did was right and she continuously complained (I would use another word but this is a public forum) loudly about this fact as well.
Finally he got up when to the closet where they stored the tools and came back with a hammer. He looked her straight in the eyes holding that hammer and said, "Fingers and Toes" before sitting down.
She asks loudly, "What does that mean?"
His reply, "You don't need fingers and toes to have a baby -- and its a good thing because if you keep treating me like this you won't have any."
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Now it was a threat he would have never followed through on -- however it did serve a good point in getting her to shut up, which really needed to happen.
Yeah, but I’ll bet he would have snapped way sooner if she hadn’t been expecting.
Yeah, but I’ll bet he would have snapped way sooner if she hadn’t been expecting.
No... but it would have probably been a more serious threat.
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Maybe instead of going the half-dragon route (like the template in the Bestiary), how about making the baby a dragon bloodline sorcerer? While he wont have the claws, wings, and fire breath now, he will get them soon. Plus it opens up the possibility of playing him/her in a future campaign. Would be a bit easier and still flavorful.
No... but it would have probably been a more serious threat.
I’d still bet on it, but fair enough :)
Maybe instead of going the half-dragon route (like the template in the Bestiary), how about making the baby a dragon bloodline sorcerer? While he wont have the claws, wings, and fire breath now, he will get them soon. Plus it opens up the possibility of playing him/her in a future campaign. Would be a bit easier and still flavorful.
Very cool.
I’ve always liked the idea of playing multiple generations of a family in multiple campaigns. We’ve done something close, but the characters weren’t actually biologically related.
Maybe instead of going the half-dragon route (like the template in the Bestiary), how about making the baby a dragon bloodline sorcerer? While he wont have the claws, wings, and fire breath now, he will get them soon. Plus it opens up the possibility of playing him/her in a future campaign. Would be a bit easier and still flavorful.
I thought that, but I wouldn't want to limit the class availability to the child if it ever becomes a character. Plus Half-Dragon makes a little more sense, since one of the parents was a dragon. The dragon bloodline always struck me as more of there being dilute dragon blood that has been passed over generations.
My advice would be to apply no penalties whatsoever to the character for being pregnant. This is a great story line, but you will negatively impact the players enjoyment of the game for multiple sessions and in essence penalize her for making a fun and interesting story choice. Penalizing her would be realistic, but extremely un-fun.
I'd create a zero level spell that allows her to completely hide her pregnancy and suppress all physical effects of it upon her. In a magical world where royal births are an issue this should probably already exist just to insure the safety of the unborn royal heir.
Give her a free wand of the conceal pregnancy spell or a free ring or trinket that has the constant effect and then play on.
In pools of radiance (forgotten realms novel) one of the characters was in the early stages of pregnancy, but after casting a few high level spells she was about ready to give birth...
In pools of radiance (forgotten realms novel) one of the characters was in the early stages of pregnancy, but after casting a few high level spells she was about ready to give birth...
Earlier editions of haste where it ages you a year?
I’ve always liked the idea of playing multiple generations of a family in multiple campaigns. We’ve done something close, but the characters weren’t actually biologically related.
Why not in the same campaign at the same time?
"Evil wizard´s lair, traps and monsters guaranteed - bring your family along!""Mommy, can I kill another goblin? Can I have another Potion of Bull´s Strength? Pleasy please please? Daddy, Ronnie used MY sword again!"
"When I was at your age *cough* *cough* we didn´t used to have such fancy +1 rapiers. We *cough* killed the goblins with our bare hands! But the youth today..."
In pools of radiance (forgotten realms novel) one of the characters was in the early stages of pregnancy, but after casting a few high level spells she was about ready to give birth...Earlier editions of haste where it ages you a year?
Nope, earlier representations of magic where it temporarily aged you, I guess.
I’ve always liked the idea of playing multiple generations of a family in multiple campaigns. We’ve done something close, but the characters weren’t actually biologically related.
Why not in the same campaign at the same time?
"Evil wizard´s lair, traps and monsters guaranteed - bring your family along!"
"Mommy, can I kill another goblin? Can I have another Potion of Bull´s Strength? Pleasy please please? Daddy, Ronnie used MY sword again!"
"When I was at your age *cough* *cough* we didn´t used to have such fancy +1 rapiers. We *cough* killed the goblins with our bare hands! But the youth today..."
lol i liked this one
I'm surprised no one has brought up Lone Wolf and Cub yet.
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His reply, "You don't need fingers and toes to have a baby -- and its a good thing because if you keep treating me like this you won't have any."
I think the follow up to that is her to look at the hammer, look at his crotch, and say "and if you try, since I'm already pregnant, I can think of what part of yours is unnecessary."
And I'd hope she would have followed through. Even if she needed to shut up, your friend's a creep.
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...Even if she needed to shut up, your friend's a creep.
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Don't cha need the Leadership feet to gain followers?
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...Even if she needed to shut up, your friend's a creep.+1
Yes he was -- he was also a great guy that took care of her even when she cheated on him and called him things that I wouldn't have put up with to his face while asking him for money and shelter. He took care of her when she came home drunk with another guy's smell on her. He over looked it when she wouldn't let him do anything for fear he'd find another woman that would treat him better.
He's also dead, and can't defend himself -- I considered him my best friend in existence, and know that if it is possible and I needed him that badly he would come back from death itself to help me.
However this was all information not included in the first place, so I'm not taking offense -- simply explaining where he, and I come from.
We do not believe (or did not in his case) that women are somehow special, or deserve special treatment -- special treatment is for people that are less than you (courtesy is not special treatment): If a woman is my equal I will treat her just like I do anyone else in my life -- if she wants to be special and be a lady she better damn well act like it.
I would not put up with a man treating me the way she treated him, and so would not put up with a woman treating me the way she treated him.
The only reasons I think he did is due to his masochism and his love for her.
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Hmmm..
Do you need to take it to *make* followers?
If not..
Inteerrrestiiiiiiinig....
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HAXxX!
Okaykidsletsdothis Tarrasque is going down!
Okay, I have an on-topic question.
In Kingmaker, my idealistic hippy cleric of Sarenrae got herself knocked up by her new husband in their first month of marriage. This was January. Now we're into the fighty parts of War of the River Kings, August/September~ish, so she's exceedingly close to full term with the BoEF penalties to dexterity and strength, and easily fatigued.
My cleric did a heal check on herself at the beginning of the Rushlight festival where the GM basically said "take it easy, stress is going to be a factor in whether or not you deliver safely." This was before was before she was instantly summoned by her husband to aide several members of her party who were severely wounded in an obvious trap/ambush, being attacked by pretty malicious ghost and drained of health, party fighter and one of her best friends being bit by a nightmare assassin, and the city of innocents she spent a week caring for coming under attack by trolls and wyvern riders, etc.
So, STRESS MAX. Question is, is there anyone who can suggest any sort of probability that the amount of stress will cause early and likely dangerous labor?
Sorry to necro this ya'll but my GF and I totally have a fellow gamer / friend going threw pregnancy during our campaign but we're all hanging in there for her and willing to help her out in any way (whether it be comfy cushions, long breaks / time outs, or emergency food cravings).
Heck, we're even willing to put the game off for however long she needs (her needs come first). :D
Also, Zae, do you mind if I dub your little one Rothgar, Destroyer of Goblins! ;) :D
Sorry to necro this ya'll but my GF and I totally have a fellow gamer / friend going threw pregnancy during our campaign but we're all hanging in there for her and willing to help her out in any way (whether it be comfy cushions, long breaks / time outs, or emergency food cravings).
Heck, we're even willing to put the game off for however long she needs (her needs come first). :D
Also, Zae, do you mind if I dub your little one Rothgar, Destroyer of Goblins! ;) :D
I worry about this unborn child...there are dark necromancers about, looking at its birth.
Wait? It is already old enough to learn to read? K then.
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I want to create stats for a "thread necromancer" that steals the snipped threads of the Fates and reforms them into eldritch undead monstrosities.
I want to create stats for a "thread necromancer" that steals the snipped threads of the Fates and reforms them into eldritch undead monstrosities.
Would that involve summoning past BBEGs out of the blue, just casting the spell and having the undead body appear, even if it died years ago and 1000's of miles/planes away?
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It might involve collecting the threads as "magic items". The command word is, "But wait, have you guys considered..." followed by a repetition of something the BBEG already made quite clear.
It might involve collecting the threads as "magic items". The command word is, "But wait, have you guys considered..." followed by a repetition of something the BBEG already made quite clear.
Oh, then how about an ability that copies the spells and special abilities of other creatures? To literally raise past event and redirect it at all who oppose him?
It would get msot impressive if he copied the party's own spells during the fight, and he also had various stored items like a vampire's eye to steal its charm ability, and other such things.
Heck, the entire campaign might be about him sending you out to obtain powerful parts to use in his necromancy- he claims he needs them as 'proof of the kill', when he is really sending you out to get the components of the evil scheme.
Obviously, the final part of the campaign involves frankenstein creatures made from parts he collected. And they will have random abilities taken from pretty much all of the bestiary.
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For our games we've also created charts of chances for morning sickness, mood swings, food cravings/aversions, etc. We also include a chance of spell failure for casters, as the baby placing a poorly timed kick to the ribs can ruin a...I think it is funny that adventurers and adventuresses are tough as nails, regularily dodging Fireballs and wading through Stinking Clouds that leave normals folks helpless with retching but (advanced) pregnancy is suddenly doing what all spells, monsters and villains couldn't - reduce a tough adventurer to mere rubble...
Watch a woman give birth and you'll see that there's a good reason to respect that particular event. I can't imagine a sword slash being anywhere near as painful and lasting for hours (sometimes days).
Every woman who has borne a child is at least ten times more of a warrior than any man I've met.
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Oh crap I just replied to a post from 5 years ago!
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Time for bed!
I think MicMan's point is that if adventurers fighting monsters can break the laws of physics to successfully do battle, pregnant adventurers fighting monsters should be able to do the same. An interesting argument, certainly.
I would say that the actual birthing process is probably not a great time to be in combat, unless your campaign takes some major liberties. Otherwise, I would favor a generous interpretation for many games.
Oh crap I just replied to a post from 5 years ago!
:0Time for bed!
No, no, I'm the same. It is why I get cheeky towards necromancy- I only notice that I am commenting on ancient posts when I am halfway through writing a long, thought out post.
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I mean, that jokes about "women are crazy gross aliens, amiright" go entirely without comment for 50+ posts may have something to do with why this hobby is frequently perceived as hostile to those perceived as "outsiders." There is, after all, no reason to make roughly 50% of the human population feel unwelcome when it comes to playing otherwise enjoyable games.
As for the premise of the thread, in all forms of fiction, I think a good way to show passage is to show a pregnant woman or a young child, and in the next scene show that she's no longer pregnant or that the child is older. It's not like the party can't take a vacation from adventuring for a while. It's not like the world ends during the months that players will take a ship halfway around the world from time to time, so it won't end if someone in the party takes some maternity leave.
Considering this all started 'cause the PC decided she wanted to bear a king's heir, wouldn't it be important to stay at court for at least a few months? You don't want there to be any doubt about who sired that child...
Everything I know about pregnancy I learned from Alien.
Considering the prevalence of magic in the setting, a GM should definitely look to homebrewing spells and items to that effect. Fertility and care for pregnant women and young children are an area which is hugely important to many people, so in a fantasy setting I would expect there to be a lot of interest in this area.
If there is an age resistance spell, I am pretty sure there is a spell or divine miracle to eliminate the physical difficulties of a pregnancy, to protect the fetus, prevent miscarriage etc. That said, I expect a lot of people would strongly discourage placing an expectant mother in the third trimester in a life or death situation if at all possible.
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well, if you guys are round robin gming, couldn't you just make the next game a yearish later? Problem solved? You can work out what she did during that time in the background
Better yet, have the player with the pregnant PC take over the GM chair while the PC completes the pregnancy and/or infancy. That way she gets to decide what happens with both the PC and the offspring