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Yeah, if they're keeping the problematic employees and getting rid of the ones that do a lot of the work, there's systemic problems there that you won't be able to fix...and probably won't be able to help them recognize.
I was at a place where long standing employees that were also single parents were let go with less than a week's notice and a week's worth of pay so the owner could hire personal friends. He laid off a guy a week after he signed a one year lease, a week before Christmas, after he'd moved to Houston from Austin, because he wanted to hire a personal friend. He hired a consultant that looked cool for a client without understanding his ability, and I got brought in after said consultant had screwed up for a couple of months...it was too late, I couldn't correct the problems he'd created, and he single-handedly killed the startup company that was our client. I'd never even worked with Joomla before, and I picked it up on the job in about 15 minutes. He'd screwed up their website so badly at that point (and I wasn't given permission to work on the stuff he was "fixing") that the company couldn't recover, even with my help. I suspect my boss kept the company afloat with money from his wife's very lucrative podiatry practice.
I knew the moment I wasn't in the middle of a contract he needed me for, I'd be out the door. I wasn't edgy and cool (female programmer is slightly cooler than male programmer, but I'm your stereotypical white pudgy geek), so I was given an office in the garage with all the other non-cool people (the actual programmers), and only brought out in public when absolutely necessary.
There were some cool projects there, the awesome people, and I didn't want them to fail...but I didn't see how they could avoid failing with the business decisions I was seeing, and I didn't see how I could avoid getting screwed. It sucked to leave...but I couldn't correct the problems there, and I was unwilling to go down with the ship.

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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:CC renamed Massachusetts in one of those threads."Ah tricky goblin almost made me look... but I won't still made my save even at that -6 you gave me.
You don't have to look, I'm telling you: Pat renamed Mass Fecalvania. Something to do with poo-flinging, I think.

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Dumbest advertising idea ever:
While I agree that it's a pretty dumb ad idea -- $10 million for a law suit? "Distress" from getting an email from a hotel saying that she owed them for some other dude smashing a tv -- and this constitutes a $10 million deal?
There's something seriously wrong here -- and not just the idea behind the ad campaign.

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Jess Door wrote:Dumbest advertising idea ever:
While I agree that it's a pretty dumb ad idea -- $10 million for a law suit? "Distress" from getting an email from a hotel saying that she owed them for some other dude smashing a tv -- and this constitutes a $10 million deal?
There's something seriously wrong here -- and not just the idea behind the ad campaign.
Lawyers got involved!
Yeah, I figure that's a negotiating tactic, and they'll settle for much less. But how in the world did this idea make it through the many layers of company bureaucracy without someone pulling the plug on it?

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Good on you making your Will saves my fellow Fecalvanian. I am good, and feeling most Tower of Iron Will today. No more politics. To paraphrase Murphy's Law #420: Never argue with a troll, people might not be able to tell the difference Okay I thought I was smart and I even looked up Fecalvanian but I am lost could not find it. Good quote on the Murphy's Law I like that alot. Beautiful day today I bet the bike ride was phenominal. You have any plans to go to the King Richard's Faire?
I have been making my saves on a regular basis and I honestly can say I don't miss the vitriol found there. I much prefer the forum games FAWTL and occasionally commenting on gaming questions as well as the sunnier and happier threads.How is everyone on this fine morning? I am happy because my Patriots won last night and I am looking forward to gaming with my niece and newphew next Saturday.
Yeah Fecalvania was just a little jape on our beloved Bay State. Since the monkeys would own it under your NE hegemony. I also renamed New Hampshire TaxFreeGoodies.
The bikeride today was a killer. The Cape has emptied out and there was like about 1/10 the traffic, 100% the summer =D. Early September is the time for Cape Cod. It actually ain't bad through Christmas.
I would love to hit King Richard's. It's been too long. I can't believe it's time for that again =O

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Everyone, thanks for the advice yesterday. I think that it helped me get into a good (proper?) frame of mind. Just got back from a nice lunch with the EVP. Mostly just "shot the breeze". Talked a little about the differences between my places of employment -- I think that he wanted to know what they could do to make things better -- but only when I was asked. Nothing profound, just a nice lunch.
Very glad to hear it well. I am firm believer that the more positive waves you send out, the more good comes back your way. I hope in your case the good comes to you sooner than later.

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Moff Rimmer wrote:Jess Door wrote:Dumbest advertising idea ever:
While I agree that it's a pretty dumb ad idea -- $10 million for a law suit? "Distress" from getting an email from a hotel saying that she owed them for some other dude smashing a tv -- and this constitutes a $10 million deal?
There's something seriously wrong here -- and not just the idea behind the ad campaign.
Lawyers got involved!
Yeah, I figure that's a negotiating tactic, and they'll settle for much less. But how in the world did this idea make it through the many layers of company bureaucracy without someone pulling the plug on it?
You expect accountability in a corporate Marketing department? I've known some of those people; the more outlandish the better, and "voices of reason" are shown the door for stifling innovation. The person who came up with that campaign probably got a raise.

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I'm stil around. As for organizing minis, a friend of mine once tried to organize his by challenge rating. Unfortunately, after spending a long weekend sorting them, his wife threw them all into one big pile on the game table so she could dust the shelves. He almost broke into tears at the thought of all his wasted work.

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I'm stil around. As for organizing minis, a friend of mine once tried to organize his by challenge rating. Unfortunately, after spending a long weekend sorting them, his wife threw them all into one big pile on the game table so she could dust the shelves. He almost broke into tears at the thought of all his wasted work.
Ouch.

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Gruumash . wrote:You don't have to look, I'm telling you: Pat renamed Mass Fecalvania. Something to do with poo-flinging, I think.Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:CC renamed Massachusetts in one of those threads."Ah tricky goblin almost made me look... but I won't still made my save even at that -6 you gave me.
Ah I see sorry for accusing you of something sneaky and underhanded you were nicely answering my question. My apologies.
Thank you for answering the question for me.

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Jess Door wrote:You expect accountability in a corporate Marketing department? I've known some of those people; the more outlandish the better, and "voices of reason" are shown the door for stifling innovation. The person who came up with that campaign probably got a raise.Moff Rimmer wrote:Jess Door wrote:Dumbest advertising idea ever:
While I agree that it's a pretty dumb ad idea -- $10 million for a law suit? "Distress" from getting an email from a hotel saying that she owed them for some other dude smashing a tv -- and this constitutes a $10 million deal?
There's something seriously wrong here -- and not just the idea behind the ad campaign.
Lawyers got involved!
Yeah, I figure that's a negotiating tactic, and they'll settle for much less. But how in the world did this idea make it through the many layers of company bureaucracy without someone pulling the plug on it?
Hey I resemble that remark.

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Celestial Healer wrote:Hey I resemble that remark.Jess Door wrote:You expect accountability in a corporate Marketing department? I've known some of those people; the more outlandish the better, and "voices of reason" are shown the door for stifling innovation. The person who came up with that campaign probably got a raise.Moff Rimmer wrote:Jess Door wrote:Dumbest advertising idea ever:
While I agree that it's a pretty dumb ad idea -- $10 million for a law suit? "Distress" from getting an email from a hotel saying that she owed them for some other dude smashing a tv -- and this constitutes a $10 million deal?
There's something seriously wrong here -- and not just the idea behind the ad campaign.
Lawyers got involved!
Yeah, I figure that's a negotiating tactic, and they'll settle for much less. But how in the world did this idea make it through the many layers of company bureaucracy without someone pulling the plug on it?
There are exceptions, of course ;)

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silverhair2008 wrote:I think I just committed financial suicide. I just signed up for the battle case subscription. OY VEY!!!!!!O yeah they're sending me 2 cases per minis release with my subscription. My credit card and I are no longer on speaking terms. :P
Also they don't call minis plasticrack for nothing. FEEEDDDD THE ADDICTION!!! FEED IT!!!!

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Gruumash . wrote:There are exceptions, of course ;)Celestial Healer wrote:Hey I resemble that remark.Jess Door wrote:You expect accountability in a corporate Marketing department? I've known some of those people; the more outlandish the better, and "voices of reason" are shown the door for stifling innovation. The person who came up with that campaign probably got a raise.Moff Rimmer wrote:Jess Door wrote:Dumbest advertising idea ever:
While I agree that it's a pretty dumb ad idea -- $10 million for a law suit? "Distress" from getting an email from a hotel saying that she owed them for some other dude smashing a tv -- and this constitutes a $10 million deal?
There's something seriously wrong here -- and not just the idea behind the ad campaign.
Lawyers got involved!
Yeah, I figure that's a negotiating tactic, and they'll settle for much less. But how in the world did this idea make it through the many layers of company bureaucracy without someone pulling the plug on it?
Why thank you sir. We are just around to throw the wrench into those engineering guys and force them to think outside of the box and how something can happen rather than why it can't. We are certianly no the voice of reason but the ones easily distracted by the shiny ball.
glances around as someone holds up the shiny ball "Huh what, where did that shiny ball go?.

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Okay I thought I was smart and I even looked up Fecalvanian but I am lost could not find it. Good quote on the Murphy's Law I like that alot. Beautiful day today I bet the bike ride was phenominal. You have any plans to go to the King Richard's Faire?Gruumash . wrote:Good on you making your Will saves my fellow Fecalvanian. I am good, and feeling most Tower of Iron Will today. No more politics. To paraphrase Murphy's Law #420: Never argue with a troll, people might not be able to tell the difference
I have been making my saves on a regular basis and I honestly can say I don't miss the vitriol found there. I much prefer the forum games FAWTL and occasionally commenting on gaming questions as well as the sunnier and happier threads.How is everyone on this fine morning? I am happy because my Patriots won last night and I am looking forward to gaming with my niece and newphew next Saturday.
Yeah Fecalvania was just a little jape on our beloved Bay State. Since the monkeys would own it under your NE hegemony. I also renamed New Hampshire TaxFreeGoodies.
The bikeride today was a killer. The Cape has emptied out and there was like about 1/10 the traffic, 100% the summer =D. Early September is the time for Cape Cod. It actually ain't bad through Christmas.
I would love to hit King Richard's. It's been too long. I can't believe it's time for that again =O
The wife and I are thinking of planning a trip I will send you and email if that beings to actually take form.

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Burlington, Vermont for three months, and then back to the frozen wastes of Syracuse, New York.Is that where you're from?
One of my players just moved there and he says it's a pretty hopping place, full of hot, friendly, pot-smokin' hippie chicks.
If this is true, then I must say I feel no sympathy for you, only jealousy.
I'm originally from Syracuse, though before moving back there for university, I'd spent ten years in Ticonderoga, NY, seven years in Erie, PA, and one year in Savannah, GA.
Syracuse is about as far from hopping as you can get, excluding Rochester (which is the very ANTITHESIS of hopping), but I will concede the point about the hippies. I hate pot, I hate hippies, and I've been with the same woman for three years. Which puts me exactly nowhere.
Who's the player that moved there? I'm trying to catalogue all of the D&D players in SYR, and have been coming up with just about nothing (and there's only one gaming store in the entire city). I know a fantasy artist by the name of J. Edwin Stevens that plays in a weekly group, but they're full up on people. A fellow player and friend of mine from grade school also lives in town, and for a while, I had a group consisting of a couple of Syracuse University students and a guy from Colgate.

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I like Burlington; it's a neat place.
Maybe for you. I've had almost nothing but bad experiences there. The last three times I was in town, I had drunken college kids f&+!ing with me (got called a faggot a couple of times, had a beer bottle chucked at my head, was purposely splashed with a shit-ton of water from a puddle).

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Bitter Thorn wrote:The naked stupidity of the political posts has made me fail my save, but let me know if anything relevant has happened.
As if your thread wasn't one of the hoppingest of said threads...
When are you going to post more?
(I always fail my save willingly.)
I have an out of state job coming up with huge hours so I'm going to be out of touch for a month or two.
Hopefully when I get back and recover from the job I will be in a better place mentally and emotionally. If I can't post in the political threads then without being an angry asshat I may just need to take a long break from the political threads.

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Dumbest advertising idea ever:
I wish I could say this surprises me. I met a few guys from Saatchi and Saatchi at a job fair, and within minutes, they managed to convince me that they and every single employee of the firm were complete a#%*~#$ morons.
If anyone here uses the word "creative" as a noun, so help me god I will end your ass faster than the American run of Red Dwarf.