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Weapon Finesse + Levels of Monk + 1 level of Crusader Cleric worshipping Shizuru with bonus feat Weapon Focus[Katana] + Katana + Crusader's Flurry + 1 level of Swashbuckler + Slashing Grace[Katana].
Is this Legal[RAW]?
May I now flurry with something that doesn't stink?
I want to make an Unarmored Flowing Monk as damage decent as possible.
I wish there were a deity with the favored weapon of Elven Curve Blade >_<
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Sacred Fist Warpriest of Shizuru with Martial Weapon Proficiency: Katana. Done. Way less feat intensive and no multiclassing required.
If you absolutely have to be Dex-based, dip a level of Daring Champion Cavalier, but it's probably a waste when you could just be Strength-based and not burn extra feats.
You need crusaders flurry and Weapon focus still. All the same you might prefer warpriest for the spellcasting.
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Daring Champion Cavalier 1/Sacred Fist of Sarenrae X can do it starting at level 5. Any deity that has a one-handed slashing weapon as their favored weapon would work, also.
Daring Champion gives you proficiency with all martial weapons, so as long as the deity doesn't have an exotic favored weapon, it works fine (unless you want to burn another feat on EWP, which is pretty definitely a waste, especially since you're already wasting feats on Slashing Grace).
I don't see anything about Sacred Fist's being able to flurry with their deity's favored weapon.
Same here. Can someone clarify how this build gets around this?
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Well the whole point of this thread is to Flurry with something besides a Light Weapon via Weapon Finesse and preferably good crit range.
A scimitar is a 1 handed weapon that is not normally finessable (Dervish Dance also gets you DEX to damage). Same threat range as a katana, 1 less damage on average from dice.
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Crusader's Flurry
You learned to use your deity’s favored weapon as part of your martial arts form.
Prerequisites: Channel energy class feature, flurry of blows class feature, Weapon Focus with your deity’s favored melee weapon.
Benefit: You can use your deity’s favored weapon as if it were a monk weapon.
Crusader's Flurry allows you to flurry with your deity's favored weapon. Shizuru's favored weapon is the katana. Sacred Fist gets flurry and channel energy (level 4 warpriest). You just need weapon focus.
The dip of daring champion or swashbuckler allows slashing grace and swashbuckler's finesse for dex to hit and damage.
It works. Built something very similar, albeit I went strength based for the 1.5xstr mod to damage. Dex based creates a much more defensive based character and totally works just as well.
Well the whole point of this thread is to Flurry with something besides a Light Weapon via Weapon Finesse and preferably good crit range.A scimitar is a 1 handed weapon that is not normally finessable (Dervish Dance also gets you DEX to damage). Same threat range as a katana, 1 less damage on average from dice.
I think they might be trying to get 2 handed power attack bonuses?
I mean, using a 1 handed weapon in 1 hand is little different from using a light weapon, which this person is trying to avoid. So 2 handed seems like the likeliest explanation.
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Well the whole point of this thread is to Flurry with something besides a Light Weapon via Weapon Finesse and preferably good crit range.A scimitar is a 1 handed weapon that is not normally finessable (Dervish Dance also gets you DEX to damage). Same threat range as a katana, 1 less damage on average from dice.
For some reason I keep thinking it is Light. Thank you. I may just stick with that.
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Awesome. Thanks a lot guys. I don't mind weapon damage as long as I can hit a nice crit range and get the 1:3 PA ratio. I can't get 1.5xStr to damage, but if I can get the rest I'm happy. This is the best way I can fix his abysmal damage heh.
If you are using dervish dance, you can't get the 1:3 power attack ratio and dex to damage. Same thing with slashing grace or fencing grace. All the dex to damage feats require you to one-hand the weapon.
Inspired Blade, fencing grace, Sacred Fist(Cayden Cailean/Arazni/Besmara/Zura/Count Ranalc/Skrymir/Hastur/Quindiovatos), Crusader's Flurry.
Now as Imbicatus mentions, you can't use ANY of the (non-mythic) dex to damage methods with two handed use. So no on 1:3 power attack at the same time as dex to damage. To do that mythic weapon finesse is your only option.
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Inspired Blade, fencing grace, Sacred Fist(Cayden Cailean/Arazni/Besmara/Zura/Count Ranalc/Skrymir/Hastur/Quindiovatos), Crusader's Flurry.
Now as Imbicatus mentions, you can't use ANY of the (non-mythic) dex to damage methods with two handed use. So no on 1:3 power attack at the same time as dex to damage. To do that mythic weapon finesse is your only option.
Or an agile spiked chain.
Or an agile spiked chain.Inspired Blade, fencing grace, Sacred Fist(Cayden Cailean/Arazni/Besmara/Zura/Count Ranalc/Skrymir/Hastur/Quindiovatos), Crusader's Flurry.
Now as Imbicatus mentions, you can't use ANY of the (non-mythic) dex to damage methods with two handed use. So no on 1:3 power attack at the same time as dex to damage. To do that mythic weapon finesse is your only option.
I prefer not to be tied to a single item. Putting aside the cash cost, a single rust monster or mimic can leave you without that nifty agile weapon while the feat still works with a backup weapon.
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I prefer not to be tied to a single item. Putting aside the cash cost, a single rust monster or mimic can leave you without that nifty agile weapon while the feat still works with a backup weapon.Or an agile spiked chain.Inspired Blade, fencing grace, Sacred Fist(Cayden Cailean/Arazni/Besmara/Zura/Count Ranalc/Skrymir/Hastur/Quindiovatos), Crusader's Flurry.
Now as Imbicatus mentions, you can't use ANY of the (non-mythic) dex to damage methods with two handed use. So no on 1:3 power attack at the same time as dex to damage. To do that mythic weapon finesse is your only option.
True, although the feat is often more valuable than the gold. Still, it's the only non-mythic way to get Dex to Damage, 1:3 power attack, and crusader's flurry.
You could get dex to damage and a 1:3 power attack with a polearm if you dipped one level of swashbuckler and three of phalanx fighter, and took slashing grace in glaive or something, but you would need to use a shield and thus couldn't flurry.
Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, an agile spiked chain would be another way to get dex damage and 1:3 power attack. If you HAD to get that 1:3 power attack, that'd be the way to go.
Without a doubt 1:2 and crit on 15-20. Every crit is free panache for your Inspired Blade AND it doesn't require you to be reliant on a single magic weapon.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-tengu A Tengu with Exotic Weapon Training racial variant can gain proficiency with the Katana. Though I'd honestly skip dex to damage/hit, it makes your life quite a bit easier. Flurrying power attack with a two handed weapon is pretty beast,
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At most, the 1:3 power attack will give you +5 damage over 1:2 power attack at level 20. If you are playing in PFS, that damage difference will drop to a maximum of 2. You'll get far more from dex to damage and the better crit range than from going the spiked chain route. The only bonus for spike chain will be cornugon shield, but your AC is going to be high anyway.
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Perhaps it wouldn't be a "good" weapon, but an awesome weapon to flurry with would be a halfing or gnome. Just multiclass into Barbarian with the Body Bludgeon rage power after gaining as many Monk of the Empty Hand levels as you feel you need before switching to a chaotic alignment.
I'm just not sure if a Titan Mauler Barbarian can use Jotungrip with Body Bludgeon or not... Dual-wielding and flurrying Kobolds would be Epic.
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Adopted->Enlightened Warrior. No alignment switching needed.
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Alas you never get 1.5 str damage.
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands
You would get the 1:3 power attack ratio
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Perhaps it wouldn't be a "good" weapon, but an awesome weapon to flurry with would be a halfing or gnome. Just multiclass into Barbarian with the Body Bludgeon rage power after gaining as many Monk of the Empty Hand levels as you feel you need before switching to a chaotic alignment.
I'm just not sure if a Titan Mauler Barbarian can use Jotungrip with Body Bludgeon or not... Dual-wielding and flurrying Kobolds would be Epic.
That's hilarious. I'll save that for the next go around.
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Weapon Finesse + Levels of Monk + 1 level of Crusader Cleric worshipping Shizuru with bonus feat Weapon Focus[Katana] + Katana + Crusader's Flurry + 1 level of Swashbuckler + Slashing Grace[Katana].
Is this Legal[RAW]?
May I now flurry with something that doesn't stink?I want to make an Unarmored Flowing Monk as damage decent as possible.
I wish there were a deity with the favored weapon of Elven Curve Blade >_<
Two things:
1) Yes. If allowed, add the Amateur Gunslinger feat into that (did in a home game, unsure if that specifically is PFS-legal)--now your grit/panache pool is based on your wisdom. My version of this leveled up as cleric, using the monk level to gain some extra attacks for a conductive weapon (took repose so...let's just say two hits meant sleeping target ready for a kill next round). A keen weapon virtually keeps your panache/grit full at all times.
2) Ways to flurry with things that don't stink:
Sohei archetype monk...6 levels, choose a weapon group from the list and you can flurry with it. No multiclassing required, one of the few classes that can (later) outshoot a zen archer. Able to add weapon groups later as well.
Zen Archer archetype monk...1 level. Outshoots the Sohei early and can sub unarmed damage into bow.
Weaponmaster monk...1 level. Limited to melee.
Brawler...1 level for flurry, about 8 levels for the damage to stop stinking. Can wear brawling armor.
Wasn't there a cleric archetype that granted it? Ah well, I'm rusty.
Not sure... but I know the Crusader Cleric gives me Weapon Focus fo free!
Ah... the Fighter Weapon Master... so I can choose the Elven Curve Blade and just be automatically proficient with it? This wouldn't help me Flurry with it though would it?
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Not sure... but I know the Crusader Cleric gives me Weapon Focus fo free!
Ah... the Fighter Weapon Master... so I can choose the Elven Curve Blade and just be automatically proficient with it? This wouldn't help me Flurry with it though would it?
Crusader gives you weapon focus as a bonus feat, if you meet the prerequisites. Since you need BAB 1 to take weapon focus, you can't take weapon focus as the bonus feat at character level 1. You would want to start with monk, and take the level of cleric at level 3.
And the fighter weapon training only helps you if you are a Sohei. Since you are flowing monk, it wont help you with a flurry.
Is using all of these feats and dipping to get proficiency in a different weapon more advantageous than simply using a Temple Sword? It's also a trip weapon (not that that necessarily adds a ton), which synthesizes nicely with a Flowing Monk.
*shrug*
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Is using all of these feats and dipping to get proficiency in a different weapon more advantageous than simply using a Temple Sword? It's also a trip weapon (not that that necessarily adds a ton), which synthesizes nicely with a Flowing Monk.
*shrug*
It depends on your goals. For my dervish dancing Hungry Ghost monk that wanted both dex to damage and to crit as often as possible, the crusader dip was mandatory.
For a STR-based flowing monk Temple Sword is fine, but if you plan to be Dex based and use slashing grace with it, you need to dip Swashbuckler or Daring Champion cavalier to use weapon finesse with it, because it's a one-handed weapon. And if you're dipping anyway, you might as well get a better weapon if you can.
Is using all of these feats and dipping to get proficiency in a different weapon more advantageous than simply using a Temple Sword? It's also a trip weapon (not that that necessarily adds a ton), which synthesizes nicely with a Flowing Monk.
*shrug*
It depends on your goals. For my dervish dancing Hungry Ghost monk that wanted both dex to damage and to crit as often as possible, the crusader dip was mandatory.
For a STR-based flowing monk Temple Sword is fine, but if you plan to be Dex based and use slashing grace with it, you need to dip Swashbuckler or Daring Champion cavalier to use weapon finesse with it, because it's a one-handed weapon. And if you're dipping anyway, you might as well get a better weapon if you can.
Certainly. That's all very fair.
I was just asking because the OP simply seemed to want to flurry with a weapon to do a lot of damage. It didn't seem like DEX to Damage or anything like that was a necessary component of the build, just damage while flurrying with a "good" weapon.
And if that's all you're really looking for, I don't know that burning a bunch of feats and taking level dips is the best way to do it. Mind you, I'm not saying you can't do that or that if it's the sort of build you want to play anyway you shouldn't; I'm just saying what does using a bunch of feats and level dips to be able to flurry with a typically nonflurryable weapon have over using a weapon you're already proficient with and can use to flurry in addition to having access to all those feats to augment that weapon's flurry (or something else about your character entirely).
So like I said, it kind of depends on what you want to do with the character.
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That is definitely the trickiest part about this. The qualifications I'm trying to meet here are:
1. Finessable Weapon
2. Flurry Weapon
3. Can wield 2H or 1H with two hands for 1:3 Power Attack
4. Has 19-20 or 18-20 crit range preferred
5. Proficiency with Weapon
It is certainly not easy to acquire all of those, but without the creation of a new Deity that favors the Aldori Dueling Sword or Elven Curve Blade; the Spiked chain is the most legal option aside from Dervish Dancing with a Scimitar.