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Still clothed.


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Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.


Freehold DM wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:

Dammit I am now blasting Ranma 1/2 endings at work because of you, Tacticslion!

Without words, your hand in mine's enough....

???

... never read it. Alas.

Ranma is a GREAT manga, but the anime was truly ahead of it's time on many levels. Give it a watch, it is on hulu.

No access to Hulu, I’m afraid!


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Tacticslion wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Doing okay, TL?
Basically! You?

I'm quite over my most recent bout of intestinal distress.


John Napier 698 wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
Doing okay, TL?
Basically! You?
I'm quite over my most recent bout of intestinal distress.

. Same!


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.

I want to see you as an old man, frowning, as your car drives you to wherever you are going.


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That future might see me as the hermit that others must travel to.

Dataphiles

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I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.


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Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.


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Tacticslion wrote:

Unrelated to that sort of media, the game Jeanne d'Arc seems to have been almost entirely forgotten by the internet.

It's a fun game.

If I had to summarize in a slightly sarcastic way, I'd call it, "Baby's first FFT."

Don't get me wrong, it's actually not a bad game. It's an easy game, for what it is. It's an FFT-alike (and very, very clearly intentionally so, too) hypothetically made up of a fantasy-variant of the story of Joan of Arc. Very, very, very fantasy.

ANYway. It's rather easy.

> Step one: find "random" battles (they are not random - they are always the same, and you opt into them only by choice)

> Step two: get the battle down to a fine science with the straight-forward AI

> Step three: grind those gears! ... i.e. level up to taste (hint: you'll want to level to level <[chapter number]*10)+[chapter number*2]> to more-or-less pass for the rest of the chapter because the enemy levels are static for a given battle type

> Step four: do whatever you really want to do and follow the fictional variant of the story

Also, the armlet's ability "Godspeed" ability is stupendously broken-powerful. Look, I loved T.G. Cid equipped with Excalibur in FFT. Loved him. Mustadio was a beautiful thing. Calculators were delightful. Etc.

BUT

This is a little silly. It's like Great Cleave, except instead of just getting another attack you get another attack AND another move. It's kind of beautiful.

For clarification, it claims to be literally set in France.

It is the story of Joan if Henry was a demon possessed child and due to a stupid jester corrupt chancellor or something. Anyway the English are all villains with demons at their command invading “mother France.” Just so we are clear on what I mean by fictionalized version of the stuff.


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I dunno about hermit so much as I see Van yelling at the cars going by...

But for me, autonomous cars can't be much worse than the driving I see every day living in a college town.


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Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.

I don't believe taking it out of human hands is the solution. Making it much more difficult to get a license and keep it in the first place would do more to get the people who shouldn't be driving off the road.

Additionally, if more places beyond the top 20-30 major US cities (and I feel I'm being generous on that) had public transportation options that were worth a crap, fewer people would *need* cars.

In the Midwest...well...unless you're in one of the major cities (and even some of those are maybes) you just can't get by without a car, and most rural roads aren't in a condition that an automated car can currently handle. And if it tried it would end up running into a John Deere.

Also...humans aren't great at the "not driving" part either. The human is certainly at fault for not paying attention, but the supposedly autonomous features of the Tesla Model S, currently the most advanced of the not-yet-fully-autonomous electric vehicles, couldn't recognize a stopped fire truck either. And that's not the only case of a Tesla running headlong into something large while on "Autopilot".


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Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.

On the other other hand...as much as I'd like autonomous cars to cut down on stupid accidents, I'm not looking forward to the future of "Did you update your car's VPN? Neighbor's Jeep got hacked by the ex, and he ran it through all the stoplights."

Maybe I need to fix my imagination.


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Scintillae wrote:
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.

On the other other hand...as much as I'd like autonomous cars to cut down on stupid accidents, I'm not looking forward to the future of "Did you update your car's VPN? Neighbor's Jeep got hacked by his ex, and he ran it through all the stoplights."

Maybe I need to fix my imagination.

No, it's already happened a few times. Jeep was notified of an issue and did nothing for a couple months, so the guys who found the vulnerability publicly released their findings. They hacked into the vehicles' on-board 4G and from there they were able to remotely pilot the Jeep from a laptop while sitting on a couch at home.

Additionally, the key fobs are pretty vulnerable.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Scintillae wrote:
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.

On the other other hand...as much as I'd like autonomous cars to cut down on stupid accidents, I'm not looking forward to the future of "Did you update your car's VPN? Neighbor's Jeep got hacked by his ex, and he ran it through all the stoplights."

Maybe I need to fix my imagination.

No, it's already happened a few times. Jeep was notified of an issue and did nothing for a couple months, so the guys who found the vulnerability publicly released their findings. They hacked into the vehicles' on-board 4G and from there they were able to remotely pilot the Jeep from a laptop while sitting on a couch at home.

Additionally, the key fobs are pretty vulnerable.

...frick, I thought I'd made it up as a long-shot paranoia story.


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Planar NPC: Master Brewer Rootshred. The bartender of the Crossroads.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Also...humans aren't great at the "not driving" part either. The human is certainly at fault for not paying attention, but the supposedly autonomous features of the Tesla Model S, currently the most advanced of the not-yet-fully-autonomous electric vehicles, couldn't recognize a stopped fire truck either. And that's not the only case of a Tesla running headlong into something large while on "Autopilot".

Knowing someone in the industry, the problem isn't the autopilots, it's the people who quite literally make a conscious choice between costs and consumer deaths.

My friend's company's autopilot vehicle has 11 sensors on it. Whenever there's a crash they feed the data into their system to see whether it would have stopped in time. So far, it's been 100% accurate. But they have yet to even announce that they're working on a vehicle, so they haven't had any "real world" tests beyond feeding real-world data into their systems.

The Uber car that killed the bicyclist? It was using their kit, but Uber didn't like the price point and reduced the number of sensors from 11 to 1. Yes. One.

Until public crucifixion of the people who make such decisions comes into vogue, self-driving cars will not become a reality not because of technology but because of profit margin.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.
I want to see you as an old man, frowning, as your car drives you to wherever you are going.
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.

All I know is that all the other drivers on the road should accede to my far superior rally car driving skills.


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Vanykrye wrote:
That future might see me as the hermit that others must travel to.

Future Freehold- Gee, I sure would love to visit Vany. It's been a while.

travels to Illinois

FF- Pardon, Illinoisean, do you know where Vany is?

Future Illinoisean, in a hushed whisper- He lives atop Mount Vany...THERE points dramatically to the only mountain in Illinois

FF- Well, that's new.


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Imperator Ambriosa wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.
I want to see you as an old man, frowning, as your car drives you to wherever you are going.
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.

All I know is that all the other drivers on the road should accede to my far superior rally car driving skills.

WITNESS ME


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Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:

Unrelated to that sort of media, the game Jeanne d'Arc seems to have been almost entirely forgotten by the internet.

It's a fun game.

If I had to summarize in a slightly sarcastic way, I'd call it, "Baby's first FFT."

Don't get me wrong, it's actually not a bad game. It's an easy game, for what it is. It's an FFT-alike (and very, very clearly intentionally so, too) hypothetically made up of a fantasy-variant of the story of Joan of Arc. Very, very, very fantasy.

ANYway. It's rather easy.

> Step one: find "random" battles (they are not random - they are always the same, and you opt into them only by choice)

> Step two: get the battle down to a fine science with the straight-forward AI

> Step three: grind those gears! ... i.e. level up to taste (hint: you'll want to level to level <[chapter number]*10)+[chapter number*2]> to more-or-less pass for the rest of the chapter because the enemy levels are static for a given battle type

> Step four: do whatever you really want to do and follow the fictional variant of the story

Also, the armlet's ability "Godspeed" ability is stupendously broken-powerful. Look, I loved T.G. Cid equipped with Excalibur in FFT. Loved him. Mustadio was a beautiful thing. Calculators were delightful. Etc.

BUT

This is a little silly. It's like Great Cleave, except instead of just getting another attack you get another attack AND another move. It's kind of beautiful.

For clarification, it claims to be literally set in France.

It is the story of Joan if Henry was a demon possessed child and due to a stupid jester corrupt chancellor or something. Anyway the English are all villains with demons at their command invading “mother France.” Just so we are clear on what I mean by fictionalized version of the stuff.

dood I GOTTA play this..


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NobodysHome wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Also...humans aren't great at the "not driving" part either. The human is certainly at fault for not paying attention, but the supposedly autonomous features of the Tesla Model S, currently the most advanced of the not-yet-fully-autonomous electric vehicles, couldn't recognize a stopped fire truck either. And that's not the only case of a Tesla running headlong into something large while on "Autopilot".

Knowing someone in the industry, the problem isn't the autopilots, it's the people who quite literally make a conscious choice between costs and consumer deaths.

My friend's company's autopilot vehicle has 11 sensors on it. Whenever there's a crash they feed the data into their system to see whether it would have stopped in time. So far, it's been 100% accurate. But they have yet to even announce that they're working on a vehicle, so they haven't had any "real world" tests beyond feeding real-world data into their systems.

The Uber car that killed the bicyclist? It was using their kit, but Uber didn't like the price point and reduced the number of sensors from 11 to 1. Yes. One.

Until public crucifixion of the people who make such decisions comes into vogue, self-driving cars will not become a reality not because of technology but because of profit margin.

And that's the other piece of the calculus. How much autonomous car can the populace afford? This much engineering and programming, as well as maintenance of systems and providing updates and new features (gotta stay relevant on the market), and get it all right, is really not cheap.

Average price of a new car in the US right now is around $33k already.

And...lest we forget...we also have to reign in the pollution, which means electric cars at the same time as more autonomy in the name of safety (ignore the part about how dirty lithium mining is, the fact that most of the rare-earth metal necessary for the motors comes by boat from China and Siberia, gets processed in another country, gets shipped again to wherever it is the motor is being made, then that gets shipped somewhere...and for a lot of places in the US the majority of electricity is still being generated by coal-fired plants...it's not a miracle cure-all panacea that people think it is - not yet). And electric cars are not cheaper (yet) than their internal combustion counterparts and we still have to get an infrastructure that's as ubiquitous and convenient as the corner gas station, with the oil companies kicking and screaming (and lobbying) the entire way.

I know the soulless electric pod is coming. I have no doubts about that. I'm just saying this is still a very complicated change that has a lot of tendrils, and therefore we're not as close as a lot of PR departments are leading the populace to believe.

That, and as Scint alluded to, we can't handle computer security for our financial institutions yet. Who thinks security is going to be foremost on their minds when they roll out car-to-car communication for driving data? I don't.


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Imperator Ambriosa wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.
I want to see you as an old man, frowning, as your car drives you to wherever you are going.
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.

All I know is that all the other drivers on the road should accede to my far superior rally car driving skills.

Game/mod suggestion: MarioKart: Mad Max

I would so pay for the chance to blue shell Immortan Joe


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Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
That future might see me as the hermit that others must travel to.

Future Freehold- Gee, I sure would love to visit Vany. It's been a while.

travels to Illinois

FF- Pardon, Illinoisean, do you know where Vany is?

Future Illinoisean, in a hushed whisper- He lives atop Mount Vany...THERE points dramatically to the only mountain in Illinois

FF- Well, that's new.

Did you bring the blue lotus that only grows on 5 hillsides in the Himalayas?


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It is my understanding that another stumbling block for autonomous cars is the unpredictability of the still human actors (bikes and pedestrians). The case study was a four way stop with pedestrians that were waiting for all the cars to go before they crossed. The AI rules indicated that the people had the right of way, but their refusal to cross made the cars go stupid.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Imperator Ambriosa wrote:
All I know is that all the other drivers on the road should accede to my far superior rally car driving skills.
WITNESS ME

I drive a front-wheel drive flat 4 subcompact hatchback with less than 120hp. Heaven help us all if I actually acquire something that could haul butt.

Although I'm sure the helicopter footage on the news will be fun to watch.

Scintillae wrote:
Game/mod suggestion: MarioKart: Mad Max

The rally courses on Super Monaco GP for PS2 were pretty close.


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Tacticslion wrote:

For clarification, it claims to be literally set in France.

It is the story of Joan if Henry was a demon possessed child and due to a stupid jester corrupt chancellor or something. Anyway the English are all villains with demons at their command invading “mother France.” Just so we are clear on what I mean by fictionalized version of the stuff.

'Fictionalised'

Yup.

Yeah.

Totes.

Verily.

Definitelye ye 'fictionne'

Completely madeth uppe

silence, abthraxni'uungh

Notte true at all.

Trusteth thou me, Pierre, thou hast nothynge to worry about.


Freehold DM wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:
Tacticslion wrote:

Unrelated to that sort of media, the game Jeanne d'Arc seems to have been almost entirely forgotten by

BUT

This is a little silly. It's like Great Cleave, except instead of just getting another attack you get another attack AND another move. It's kind of beautiful.

For clarification, it claims to be literally set in France.

It is the story of Joan if Henry was a demon possessed child and due to a stupid jester corrupt chancellor or something. Anyway the English are all villains with demons at their command invading “mother France.” Just so we are clear on what I mean by fictionalized version of the stuff.

dood I GOTTA play this..

Wikipedia game article; spoilers abound. I really should have linked to the actual article on Joan herself, but no, that’s the game.

Oh, hey, found a Q/A with folks Level5.


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*grumble*

Something tries to set its workshop in my throat...


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Pretty sure this is literally all Freehold hears when someone turns him down.

This is a joke. This is only a joke. Had this been an actual criticism, the song linked would have been much more biting, instead of just kind of cute and silly.

EDIT: for the curious, it's actual copy/paste title from YouTube is "It's Not Like I Like You!! (♪♫)"


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Nylarthotep wrote:
It is my understanding that another stumbling block for autonomous cars is the unpredictability of the still human actors (bikes and pedestrians). The case study was a four way stop with pedestrians that were waiting for all the cars to go before they crossed. The AI rules indicated that the people had the right of way, but their refusal to cross made the cars go stupid.

So, I know this is a "Freehold trigger", but I'm sure the blood pressure is good for him.

Teaching Impus Major to drive in the Albany/Berkeley area is an exercise in, "Not a single person nor vehicle you see will obey the traffic laws."

Particularly egregious are the bikes along the BART path. Originally they just put up stop lines warning the bicyclists to stop before crossing streets. That didn't work. So they put up Stop signs as well. That didn't work. So they put up warning signs: Bicycles MUST STOP at the intersection. That didn't work. We even had a cyclist throw his bike lock through the side window of a car, threaten to kill the driver, and then insist in court that *HE* had had the right of way.

So when Impus Major and I approach the BART tracks, I point out, "See that bicyclist coming down the BART path? Well, you have the right of way here, so you should go, but just be aware you're going to need to slam on your brakes when he blows through the Stop sign and cuts you off."
Happens Every. Single. Time.

But between that and the pedestrians who pop out from between parked cars mid-block without even looking, I'm getting very confident in Impus Major's ability to brake when the unexpected occurs.

EDIT: And yeah, the other big lesson for him is, "If you have the right of way, DO NOT YIELD IT in an attempt to be 'nice'. All you're doing is confusing the heck out of everyone around you because you're not behaving the way they expect you to."


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Imperator Ambriosa wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.
I want to see you as an old man, frowning, as your car drives you to wherever you are going.
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.

All I know is that all the other drivers on the road should accede to my far superior rally car driving skills.

My truck at work is big enough that they will, if they want to live.

But, this is the Midwest so it's about 50/50.


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Disclaimer: I commuted by bicycle for 12 1/2 years in Albany, Berkeley, and Davis. And I obeyed traffic control devices (in the standard California manner). And yep, it was amazing how many cars would stop, yield the right of way to you, then honk at you and get visibly angry when you refused to take it. Or stopping at a stop sign only to have three bicyclists around you blow right past you and through the intersection.

But in all cases, I wasn't in a "Big City" like New York or San Francisco. I don't even comprehend how bicyclists in such areas can survive, but I'm sure the rules are different.


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Exciting day. I broke off two tines of my plastic fork in my salad, but I only accounted for one of them.


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Andostre wrote:
Exciting day. I broke off two tines of my plastic fork in my salad, but I only accounted for one of them.

Exciting day! A wild Androste appeared!


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Don't feed it, or it will just keep coming back.


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Jeanne as she appears most of the game.

Jeanne "Armlet Form" (spoiler? eh).

Jeanne d'Arc Cover

Gameplay footage (from almost the first scenes of in-game graphics)

Picture from an animate cut scene

"He's totally not a villain, we swear." (I actually don't think he is. But still.)

That aught'a make Freehold almost unable to contain himself.

Irritatingly, I can't find all that much art of all the characters.

Also, I am contractually obligated to like La Hire, even if I otherwise wouldn't. You'll likely understand if you ever actually see him.


Andostre wrote:
Don't feed it, or it will just keep coming back.

*sets out fresh-baked cookies*


Alright.

Alright, alright, alright, alright.

Alright.

... alright.

So, I'm watching Star Trek the Animated Series, as some know.

I'm not going to pretend it isn't stupid. It's stupid.

It's also great.

I mean, dumb as a bag of hammers at times.

But also great. Also kind of clever about itself.

It's not that it's self-aware. It most certainly isn't!

... but it's still kind of fun, mostly.

Spock time travels, once.

(Almost creates a split timeline early! KEL-VEN~!)

And it works well with parallelism and has a weird ebb and flow.

It is worth watching, I'd say, but know it's silly.

Like, "Giant dumb Spock clone." silly.

And that's one of the more "serious" episodes here.

I mean, it has lots of pathos and everything. But, uh... very silly.

I'm also wondering how this post will look.

Anyway, that's my thoughts.


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"Ms. Scint, how do you feel about capital punishment?"
"Oh, I think capitalization is very important. So, yes, you absolutely should be punished by losing points."
"...Go sit down."

Trying to mine me for (what I assume are) their homework answers...


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NobodysHome wrote:

Disclaimer: I commuted by bicycle for 12 1/2 years in Albany, Berkeley, and Davis. And I obeyed traffic control devices (in the standard California manner). And yep, it was amazing how many cars would stop, yield the right of way to you, then honk at you and get visibly angry when you refused to take it. Or stopping at a stop sign only to have three bicyclists around you blow right past you and through the intersection.

But in all cases, I wasn't in a "Big City" like New York or San Francisco. I don't even comprehend how bicyclists in such areas can survive, but I'm sure the rules are different.

I nearly had a head-on collision with a cyclist today heading back to work after my appointment because he was in my right-hand lanes coming toward me (therefore, his left lanes). Yet he glared at me in that "how dare you turn onto this road while I'm here" manner as I swerved around him.


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Vanykrye wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
That future might see me as the hermit that others must travel to.

Future Freehold- Gee, I sure would love to visit Vany. It's been a while.

travels to Illinois

FF- Pardon, Illinoisean, do you know where Vany is?

Future Illinoisean, in a hushed whisper- He lives atop Mount Vany...THERE points dramatically to the only mountain in Illinois

FF- Well, that's new.

Did you bring the blue lotus that only grows on 5 hillsides in the Himalayas?

only if you are reclining upon throne made of old CRTs, stroking your cyber kitty while Aiymi and Shannon wear CD-ROM bikinis as they drop peeled grapes into your mouth.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Nylarthotep wrote:
It is my understanding that another stumbling block for autonomous cars is the unpredictability of the still human actors (bikes and pedestrians). The case study was a four way stop with pedestrians that were waiting for all the cars to go before they crossed. The AI rules indicated that the people had the right of way, but their refusal to cross made the cars go stupid.

So, I know this is a "Freehold trigger", but I'm sure the blood pressure is good for him.

Teaching Impus Major to drive in the Albany/Berkeley area is an exercise in, "Not a single person nor vehicle you see will obey the traffic laws."

Particularly egregious are the bikes along the BART path. Originally they just put up stop lines warning the bicyclists to stop before crossing streets. That didn't work. So they put up Stop signs as well. That didn't work. So they put up warning signs: Bicycles MUST STOP at the intersection. That didn't work. We even had a cyclist throw his bike lock through the side window of a car, threaten to kill the driver, and then insist in court that *HE* had had the right of way.

So when Impus Major and I approach the BART tracks, I point out, "See that bicyclist coming down the BART path? Well, you have the right of way here, so you should go, but just be aware you're going to need to slam on your brakes when he blows through the Stop sign and cuts you off."
Happens Every. Single. Time.

But between that and the pedestrians who pop out from between parked cars mid-block without even looking, I'm getting very confident in Impus Major's ability to brake when the unexpected occurs.

EDIT: And yeah, the other big lesson for him is, "If you have the right of way, DO NOT YIELD IT in an attempt to be 'nice'. All you're doing is confusing the heck out of everyone around you because you're not behaving the way they expect you to."

as mentioned in other areas, as a cyclist i always obey stop signs. I prefer stop signs to any other means of traffic control because I have to stop and look, as does everyone else.

That said I have never been on the BART path. I have no idea what that is.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Imperator Ambriosa wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Vanykrye wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Van,

That happens a lot which is also why I want either driver-less cars or stargates.

Contrary to corporate messaging from the major players, we're still years away from realistically having fully autonomous cars (a future I will personally not enjoy) that work as has been advertised/promised.
I want to see you as an old man, frowning, as your car drives you to wherever you are going.
Orthos, Post-Singularity wrote:
I on the other hand can't wait. The sooner human stupidity is removed from The driving process, the better.
NobodysHome wrote:

Yeah, I call myself 'Lawful Good', but I'm definitely in the, "Humanity should not be allowed to do xxx because they have repeatedly proven they can't handle it" department.

Driving is one of those xxxs.

All I know is that all the other drivers on the road should accede to my far superior rally car driving skills.

My truck at work is big enough that they will, if they want to live.

But, this is the Midwest so it's about 50/50.

I dont have anti-truck weaponry, so I would have to.


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NobodysHome wrote:

Disclaimer: I commuted by bicycle for 12 1/2 years in Albany, Berkeley, and Davis. And I obeyed traffic control devices (in the standard California manner). And yep, it was amazing how many cars would stop, yield the right of way to you, then honk at you and get visibly angry when you refused to take it. Or stopping at a stop sign only to have three bicyclists around you blow right past you and through the intersection.

But in all cases, I wasn't in a "Big City" like New York or San Francisco. I don't even comprehend how bicyclists in such areas can survive, but I'm sure the rules are different.

Yes we do. (often, though not usually pours one out for the lost. May they ride free.)

And yes, the rules are different here.


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Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Disclaimer: I commuted by bicycle for 12 1/2 years in Albany, Berkeley, and Davis. And I obeyed traffic control devices (in the standard California manner). And yep, it was amazing how many cars would stop, yield the right of way to you, then honk at you and get visibly angry when you refused to take it. Or stopping at a stop sign only to have three bicyclists around you blow right past you and through the intersection.

But in all cases, I wasn't in a "Big City" like New York or San Francisco. I don't even comprehend how bicyclists in such areas can survive, but I'm sure the rules are different.

I nearly had a head-on collision with a cyclist today heading back to work after my appointment because he was in my right-hand lanes coming toward me (therefore, his left lanes). Yet he glared at me in that "how dare you turn onto this road while I'm here" manner as I swerved around him.

Wait a minute. He was in the lane OPPOSITE you(as in going the opposite direction) or driving the wrong way down a one way street? And you were turning onto the street or going straight?


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Just wait until the mechanic puts the periscope on our trailer like we've been requesting* for the last year and a half.

*They have a white board where you write down equipment issues or requests, every time they clear it co-worker writes "trailer #1 needs a periscope" hasn't happened yet but eventually the mechanic will get the right combination of bored and drunk to do it.


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Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Disclaimer: I commuted by bicycle for 12 1/2 years in Albany, Berkeley, and Davis. And I obeyed traffic control devices (in the standard California manner). And yep, it was amazing how many cars would stop, yield the right of way to you, then honk at you and get visibly angry when you refused to take it. Or stopping at a stop sign only to have three bicyclists around you blow right past you and through the intersection.

But in all cases, I wasn't in a "Big City" like New York or San Francisco. I don't even comprehend how bicyclists in such areas can survive, but I'm sure the rules are different.

I nearly had a head-on collision with a cyclist today heading back to work after my appointment because he was in my right-hand lanes coming toward me (therefore, his left lanes). Yet he glared at me in that "how dare you turn onto this road while I'm here" manner as I swerved around him.
Wait a minute. He was in the lane OPPOSITE you(as in going the opposite direction) or driving the wrong way down a one way street? And you were turning onto the street or going straight?

I've seen the same thing, and similarly nearly killed a cyclist because of it: For some reason some cyclists actually believe that they are supposed to ride down the LEFT side of the road on a two-way street.

If cycling is dangerous (and it is, as my two broken helmets can attest), then cycling down the wrong side of the street is suicidal.


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NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Disclaimer: I commuted by bicycle for 12 1/2 years in Albany, Berkeley, and Davis. And I obeyed traffic control devices (in the standard California manner). And yep, it was amazing how many cars would stop, yield the right of way to you, then honk at you and get visibly angry when you refused to take it. Or stopping at a stop sign only to have three bicyclists around you blow right past you and through the intersection.

But in all cases, I wasn't in a "Big City" like New York or San Francisco. I don't even comprehend how bicyclists in such areas can survive, but I'm sure the rules are different.

I nearly had a head-on collision with a cyclist today heading back to work after my appointment because he was in my right-hand lanes coming toward me (therefore, his left lanes). Yet he glared at me in that "how dare you turn onto this road while I'm here" manner as I swerved around him.
Wait a minute. He was in the lane OPPOSITE you(as in going the opposite direction) or driving the wrong way down a one way street? And you were turning onto the street or going straight?

I've seen the same thing, and similarly nearly killed a cyclist because of it: For some reason some cyclists actually believe that they are supposed to ride down the LEFT side of the road on a two-way street.

If cycling is dangerous (and it is, as my two broken helmets can attest), then cycling down the wrong side of the street is suicidal.

if it's a two way street they are supposed to go with the flow of traffic in the direction they are going. That means sometimes they will be on the right side of the road and sometimes on the left, depending on which way they are going.

Full disclosure, I will ride down the street the wrong way if I have been doored. I cannot take another blow to that side.

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