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I am about to say goodbye to Jezebel in a few minutes. She is 8 years old.
So sorry. (Hugs)
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aren't you a teacher? I would think December would be like easy street.Yes, and I teach pre-k/K mixed.
They get excited, they get goofy, they lose it completely, they get less sleep and more sugar, and there is so much anticipation. It's like having two dozen cocker spaniel puppies. Who, yes, sometimes pee when they get too excited. It's sweet but exhausting.
Plus this week is always hard because there's a bad grief anniversary in the middle of it. And on top of it, an old friend of ours went on hospice and died this week, and since we moved away, we couldn't go say goodbye, and my Grandma went into the hospital last night.
So f*** this week.
*hug*
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aren't you a teacher? I would think December would be like easy street.Yes, and I teach pre-k/K mixed.
They get excited, they get goofy, they lose it completely, they get less sleep and more sugar, and there is so much anticipation. It's like having two dozen cocker spaniel puppies. Who, yes, sometimes pee when they get too excited. It's sweet but exhausting.
Plus this week is always hard because there's a bad grief anniversary in the middle of it. And on top of it, an old friend of ours went on hospice and died this week, and since we moved away, we couldn't go say goodbye, and my Grandma went into the hospital last night.
So f*** this week.
I send to you long range hugs.
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Poor puss. RIP, Jezebel.
Praise Cayden, they have Elland Brewery's 1872 Porter in the pub!!!!
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=(
Sorry to hear that Sharoth.
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~groans~ Great! Just great! My cat's kidney functions are getting worse. She might be going through kidney failure. I do not want to bury a third furry four legged kid this year. I really do not.
Poor kitty.
Hope she/he pulls through for you Sharoth.I am about to say goodbye to Jezebel in a few minutes. She is 8 years old.
I very sorry to hear that Sharoth.
Poor Jezebel…We'll be here if you feel like talking, otherwise take the time and care too look after yourself and your loved ones.
*Re-offers hugs to Sharoth and Co.*
My favourites are super schlocky sword & sorcery and Barsoomalikes, though trad D&D also works fine.
Yup, love myself some schlocky cheesy sword and sandal type content, so I try and inject it in anything I get my hands on in moderate amounts.
Otherwise I do try and stress the medievel parts of most high fantasy settings as I've found it quite strange how there's been (especially of late) some skirting around the "medieval" part of ye old standart medieval high fantasy setting(s)…Look I get it...medieval times were grimy, backwards (in today's enlightened opinion of it self) and brutal, but can we try and not just juggle "medieval" trappings around and claim that makes it medieval.
I could do with more space-fantasy-ventures, yeah. And more undersea ones, while we're wishing.
*Pushes a copy of Polaris towards Orthos*
Just..err...don't consider the things about possible baby-factories too closely.
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An example - a GM who had a steampunk world where mages built a basic anti-god engine, because in the past the gods almost wiped out sentient life because they weren't devoted enough.So I pointed out that it was really a narrow-minded view of deification, that seemed like it was centered around a Greco-Roman idealism of deities, where all are capricious, self-centered dicks, and there were no true good gods, ignoring a whole swathe of polytheistic religions that contained generally decent deities. He argued that even the good ones were in on this destruction, and refused to relent when I pointed out that such an action was, in of itself, supremely evil. He also stated that it was all, 100%, not any missing, all of the gods in on this murder-boner they had...
A bit weird on the not enough devotion part...
Got things in common with my own home brew though, mainly the Gods be somewhat dickish, but in my homebrew its more of a matter of the Gods genuinely being busy with holding their own in the outer-spheres and also not really caring all that much about the happenings in the mortal realms (heck even the "Good" ones aren't really moved by things that doesn't reach the scale of extinction level events).In short the Gods don't really care that much (about you personally), what they care about though is that you do believe thus consigning your 'essence' to them…
Where, how and why is for each individual, the deities mortal followers, their 'celestial bureaucracies' and the personal whim of the individual deity to decide.
…Why hasn't elminster destroyed szass tam again? Or the good gods killed Cyric?
A): A mixture of plot-amour, a heck of a long s%$*-list to work through…(I would imaging that Szass Tam isn't really hugging the top spot on that list) and being generally not really that much into the whole 'nation building thing' (personally)
That said Elminister isn't really my cup of tea either…can't get a handle on what he's supposed to be (other the a author insert and favorite)…a patron for players? a free roaming force for Good? An old dithering fool, with too much power to spare?
B): Well, personally I find Cyric interesting, mostly as a 'Rise to power' story. As a deity he kind of suffer from the fact that he's well-rounded and described, while a host of the Goodly Gods haven't really received quite the same treatment, thus are presented as having a more ephemeral or ill defined character.
So in short, he's more 'interesting' (more recent work went into him), thus they keep him around.
Now if they were considering axing off "deities" in the realms, here my s&!$ list:
1):The weave was (in my opinion) a bad idea and linking it to a being, much less a God(dess) didn't make it any better. If they could separate the weave and the Goddess without axing her off (again-again) I would be all fore it, but if she's gotta go she's gotta go.
2):Torm, cause he's so so boring! He's the Goodly deity done to death, he's 'mister squeaky-clean', and the worst thing is he keeps sticking around when they have had so good chances of burying him with a bit of dignity.
(Personally I would have him dead after the avatar crisis...though I could see a re-write of the death of Helm story into Torm being the go-between that's beaten to death (hopefully quite brutally) by Helm (and his portfolio absorbed into Helm's).
3):Jergal…why is this guy still around again?!
Helping to cover bad realms plot holes?
Eh...
If the above attempt also counts…I've done worse.
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Plus this week is always hard because there's a bad grief anniversary in the middle of it. And on top of it, an old friend of ours went on hospice and died this week, and since we moved away, we couldn't go say goodbye, and my Grandma went into the hospital last night.So f*** this week.
*Sends condolences and hugs to the LM household too*
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I'm so sorry, Sharoth. Big hugs.
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2):Torm, cause he's so so boring! He's the Goodly deity done to death, he's 'mister squeaky-clean', and the worst thing is he keeps sticking around when they have had so good chances of burying him with a bit of dignity.
(Personally I would have him dead after the avatar crisis...though I could see a re-write of the death of Helm story into Torm being the go-between that's beaten to death (hopefully quite brutally) by Helm (and his portfolio absorbed into Helm's).
I personally much prefer Torm over Helm, as Helm is kind of a jackass and every Tormish paladin that I've ever had a problem with as a DM and admin on a NWN server would have been better off as a non-paladin following Helm judging by the way they interpreted the dogma.
Meanwhile the legitimate well-played Tormish characters are some of the best Good-aligned PCs of any stripe that I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with - both topside and playerside - and I'd immensely hate to lose them. And no, Good-aligned Helmites don't fill that role, honestly being a Good Helmite just doesn't make sense, not with a patron as jackassed as Helm is.
3):Jergal…why is this guy still around again?!
Jergal is made of awesome, that's why. He's the God of the End of Everything! His clergy keeps the scrolls recording every single death and toll the bells counting down to the end of time. "One more year!"
He's a sinister-looking Grim Reaper/Praying Mantis hybrid who settles debts by bowling with skulls and gambling with his own knucklebones.
Also he's a justification for scythe-wielding paladins, which is instant win IMO.
Plus he has a strong tie-in with the history of the setting, as he used to be a greater power who got bored with his job and auctioned off his powers to other deities. So I like him still being around with that bit of historical connection.
Also, he's the patron for my NWN version of Krune, since no other deity really clicks as a parallel with Lissala very well. Jergal's kind of Lissala + Groetus, which is another point in his favor now that I think about it.
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I don't like Elminster because he's a Mary Sue. He's Superman without the Kryptonite or Saitama without the ennui.
Protagonists without weaknesses are boring. Conflict is the essence of literature, and without weakness there is no conflict.
Also Ed Greenwood is just a s$@$ty writer, no bones about it.
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I'd axe Sune and Shar, no question. Paint drying would be more interesting.
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I would destroy the realms wholesale if not for the AMAZING work of Richard Lee Byers and Paul Kemp. Love them. Would read phone books written by them.
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In my campaign setting, the gods died a long, long time ago. Their clerics teach that they either abandoned their physical forms after they were destroyed during the Divine War and are slowly healing on another plane of existence where they are planning their eventual return(Herald), or that they already have returned in the body of their devoted servant, and are working to reclaim the world they left behind(Avatar).
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I left the Realms behind as soon as something better came along.
the same problems you have with this homebrew are the same problems I have with pre built worlds. Why hasn't elminster destroyed szass tam again? Or the good gods killed Cyric?1) He's a lich; he gets better (also high level spells, and I think Szass is technically higher level, or at least higher CL). Also, if Elminster assassinated Szass, he'd then have to immediately take on a nation of mages (and one of the top five most populated nations, at that) and be out of magic, or nearly so. That will liiiiiikely not end well. Also, a dude's gotta rest sometimes.Yawn.
How many enemies does elminster have again? Ill make it easy on you, just count the guys hes cuckolded. He also has THE LITERAL GODDESS OF MAGIC AS HIS SEX PARTNER, I think he should be able to reduce thay to cinders, none of the wizards there hold a candle to him backed up by his squeeze.
2) Gods rarely profit from face-to-face conflict and don't tend to go murdering their peers (much like mortals tend to have qualms about murdering fellow mortals); nonetheless, Cyric has survived multiple assassination attempts, has a few strong allies (because he's a useful patsy) and not only did at least one god (really more than one) try to kill him (and fail, merely strengthening him), but also they even put him on trial using every loophole they could... a trial which he passed due to a similar loophole. As an aside, because of those assassination attempts? One of the most powerful gods there were, to the point that it took three greater deities working together to imprison him, and it was only kiiiiiiiiinda effective (though, to be fair, Mystra was dead, so... said gods had less things working in their favor in that regard).double yawn.
Cyric has killed HOW MANY GODS AGAIN?! Come now, this is nothing more than plot armor at this point, and particularly BAD plot armor at that.
I'm a helper!Helping to cover bad realms plot holes?
1) sometimes and that one is dead
2) you are ignoring that other gods we’re helping him (but there is a reason he is despised as a literary figure as well)3) sure! Except they are less plot holes and more things that you don’t like and so insult (but that’s fair, most people who don’t like a thing try to denegrate it)
… as Helm is kind of a jackass
Yup, kind of like what a deity dedicated to duty and vigilance should be.
Still I personally think that the jackass-iness is overblown. He never acted any less according to his 'nature' then Torm did during the avatar crisis.…honestly being a Good Helmite just doesn't make sense, not with a patron as jackassed as Helm is.
Now this I don't quite get…
Purely from looking at the two deities respective dogmas, i don't really see them as all that dis-similar (which could be presented as another problem). Both fixate on duty, both preach adherence to the law and again both seem to place importance and value in order and hierarchy.Where they seem to split is that Torm(ites) is more 'proactive' and concerned with their external 'trials' - "standing alert against corruption, strike against the rot in the hearts of mortals, bringing quick and painful death to traitors, questioning unjust laws and so on"
While (the) Helm(ites) are less 'reactive' and more concerned with their internal 'trial' - "Be vigilant, Be fair and diligent in the conduct of your orders, Protect the weak, poor, injured, and young, and do not sacrifice them for others or yourself, Anticipate attacks and be ready, Always obey orders, providing those orders follow the dictates of Helm and so on".
Now if you want to test out a head scratching, that would be a Paladin of Hoar…
(Which I incidentally have tried to do...yea that didn't really work out)
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Plus he has a strong tie-in with the history of the setting, as he used to be a greater power who got bored with his job and auctioned off his powers to other deities. So I like him still being around with that bit of historical connection.
This I do get.
Keep him around then as the eternal vizer to whom ever has the mantle of 'God(dess) of the dead'...but as a full blow divinity...meh....work of Richard Lee Byers and Paul Kemp. Love them.
Another thing I would agree with.
Their work is vastly superior to Greenwood or Salvatore. Dennings stuff is a bit hit or miss, but mostly okay.I personally have a bit of a soft spot for Cunningham though.
I'd axe Sune and Shar, no question. Paint drying would be more interesting.
Again maybe what the realms need is a bit of a 'deity consolidation.'
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I don't know what are you talking about. There are no books set in Forgotten Realms, only some bad fan-fics... That is an RPG setting not a books series after all.
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You don't want the people in charge of the realms consolidating deities, they did that with 4th edition, and did a horrible job at it.
One of the many unforgivable 4th edition mistakes.
Pantheons was not one of Ed Greenwood's world building strong points.
Dude should have stuck with cities and dungeons.
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I may be gone for a few days. Please take care and I will be back later.
I am so sorry, my friend. Please, take the time you need, and we will he waiting for you to return. Hugs!
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[helm/torm stuff]
Admittedly, my perspective on the whole thing is very strongly colored by my years spent as a DM and administrator on a Realms-based NWN server. I have had it up to my ears with problematic "smite first ask questions later" Tormish paladins who really should have been Helmites, followed Helm's dogma much much much better than Torm's, but Torm's the paladin god so we all gotta follow him, which leads to enormous intraplayer conflicts about who is interpreting the dogma correctly and who deserves to get fallen/excommunicated and it's nothing but an endless string of headaches.
And as I said, the few Tormish characters I've had the pleasure of interacting with who presented the deity well, were an absolute blast to play with and a joy to DM for, and I wouldn't trade their presence or experience for anything.
I personally also don't see the "goody two shoes/boy scout" thing as a bad thing, nor do I understand why others do. But I've always been that way, as an LN-striving-to-be-LG person who favors Lawful characters in a hobby that seems to be always strongly catering to the Chaotic.
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My favorite settings.
1. Starfinder
1. Spelljammer (tie)
3. Shadowrun
4. Robotech/Macross
5. Rifts
6. Pathfinder
7. Eberron
8. Greyhawk
9. Forgotten Realms
10. Dragonlance.
I didn't like Dark Sun and I know nothing of Planescape.
Edit: And Star Wars RPG has to go in there somewhere.
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My Saturday:
* Taking the kids to ballet. Val's class performed a Nutcracker-in-twenty-minutes (just excerpts, and no battle with the mouse king, because the teacher knows Val too well.)
* Going to a birthday party for one of their friends. Carnival-themed, waaaaaay too much sugar, and an "eating a doughnut on a string" race.
* Grocery shopping
And now I'm hiding in the bathroom with my laptop because I am dreading spending the evening frantically trying to finish making this stupid train for the church family Christmas party tomorrow. I'm a ball of stress and nerves and I'm kicking my self for saying "okay, sure" when assigned the job. I have no idea wtf I'm doing.
Tomorrow is going to be:
* Getting up and putting the finishing touches on the f***ing train, if I sleep at all.
* Choir practice
* Church
* Setting up all afternoon for the party while the Children's Program Director takes the kids caroling at the homes of all the members who are currently housebound.
* The dreaded party
* Taking home the three sons of another couple who have a no-kids work party to go to, so we can have five post-party small people freaking out in our house on a school night.
Remind me why I was so excited about the weekend again?
I hate parties. I hate noise. And I hate myself for being a spineless twit who doesn't know how to say no.
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I am about to say goodbye to Jezebel in a few minutes. She is 8 years old.
Wow. So sorry.
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My favorite settings.
1. Starfinder
1. Spelljammer (tie)
3. Shadowrun
4. Robotech/Macross
5. Rifts
6. Pathfinder
7. Eberron
8. Greyhawk
9. Forgotten Realms
10. Dragonlance.I didn't like Dark Sun and I know nothing of Planescape.
Edit: And Star Wars RPG has to go in there somewhere.
1. Homebrew
2. Planescape3. Spelljammer
4. Eberron
5. Pathfinder/Starfinder
6. Dark Sun
7. Greyhawk
8. Forgotten Realms
9. Ravenloft
10. Dragonlance
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Forgot about Ravenloft.
Damn.
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Some of my happiest moments in college were spent in Ravenloft.
Like the time I was playing the lawful-evil half-orc cleric who had a daily practice of killing a small furry woodland creature with her spear and attaching some portion of its pelt to my spearhaft as a sacrifice to my deity. So, when the friendly woodnymph NPC skipped out from behind a tree to offer us assistance and plot exposition, well... yup.
The party took soooo much burn from continuing to adventure with me.
They couldn't be too pissed because playing the LE half-orc was not my idea; I was given strict instructions that I was to play a character as far away from my standard bouncy-bosomed half-elf rogue in a chainmail bikini as possible. (Yes, I was, for a time, THAT girl in the gaming group. I was young and unforgivably irritating.)
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F*** it. No, I'm not working on the damned train. Going back to it now.
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Some of my happiest moments in college were spent in Ravenloft.
...
That must have been a very very grim college...
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Some of my happiest moments in college were spent in Ravenloft....
That must have been a very very grim college...
Well, it was Catholic...
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[helm/torm stuff]Admittedly, my perspective on the whole thing is very strongly colored by my years spent as a DM and administrator on a Realms-based NWN server. I have had it up to my ears with problematic "smite first ask questions later" Tormish paladins who really should have been Helmites, followed Helm's dogma much much much better than Torm's, but Torm's the paladin god so we all gotta follow him, which leads to enormous intraplayer conflicts about who is interpreting the dogma correctly and who deserves to get fallen/excommunicated and it's nothing but an endless string of headaches.
And as I said, the few Tormish characters I've had the pleasure of interacting with who presented the deity well, were an absolute blast to play with and a joy to DM for, and I wouldn't trade their presence or experience for anything.
I personally also don't see the "goody two shoes/boy scout" thing as a bad thing, nor do I understand why others do. But I've always been that way, as an LN-striving-to-be-LG person who favors Lawful characters in a hobby that seems to be always strongly catering to the Chaotic.
I would argue that last is due to awful good and lawful stupid stereotypes among your fellow law lovers.
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My favorite settings.
1. Starfinder
1. Spelljammer (tie)
3. Shadowrun
4.Robotech/Macross
5. Rifts
6. Pathfinder
7. Eberron
8. Greyhawk
9. Forgotten Realms
10. Dragonlance.
I LOVE YOU!
I didn't like Dark Sun and I know nothing of Planescape.
Edit: And Star Wars RPG has to go in there somewhere.
I HATE YOU!
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I would argue that last is due to awful good and lawful stupid stereotypes among your fellow law lovers.[helm/torm stuff]Admittedly, my perspective on the whole thing is very strongly colored by my years spent as a DM and administrator on a Realms-based NWN server. I have had it up to my ears with problematic "smite first ask questions later" Tormish paladins who really should have been Helmites, followed Helm's dogma much much much better than Torm's, but Torm's the paladin god so we all gotta follow him, which leads to enormous intraplayer conflicts about who is interpreting the dogma correctly and who deserves to get fallen/excommunicated and it's nothing but an endless string of headaches.
And as I said, the few Tormish characters I've had the pleasure of interacting with who presented the deity well, were an absolute blast to play with and a joy to DM for, and I wouldn't trade their presence or experience for anything.
I personally also don't see the "goody two shoes/boy scout" thing as a bad thing, nor do I understand why others do. But I've always been that way, as an LN-striving-to-be-LG person who favors Lawful characters in a hobby that seems to be always strongly catering to the Chaotic.
Well when you're right you're right.
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My Saturday:
* Taking the kids to ballet. Val's class performed a Nutcracker-in-twenty-minutes (just excerpts, and no battle with the mouse king, because the teacher knows Val too well.)
* Going to a birthday party for one of their friends. Carnival-themed, waaaaaay too much sugar, and an "eating a doughnut on a string" race.
* Grocery shoppingAnd now I'm hiding in the bathroom with my laptop because I am dreading spending the evening frantically trying to finish making this stupid train for the church family Christmas party tomorrow. I'm a ball of stress and nerves and I'm kicking my self for saying "okay, sure" when assigned the job. I have no idea wtf I'm doing.
Tomorrow is going to be:
* Getting up and putting the finishing touches on the f***ing train, if I sleep at all.
* Choir practice
* Church
* Setting up all afternoon for the party while the Children's Program Director takes the kids caroling at the homes of all the members who are currently housebound.
* The dreaded party
* Taking home the three sons of another couple who have a no-kids work party to go to, so we can have five post-party small people freaking out in our house on a school night.Remind me why I was so excited about the weekend again?
I hate parties. I hate noise. And I hate myself for being a spineless twit who doesn't know how to say no.
you are many things, lisamarlene, but spineless twit is not one of them.
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My favorite settings.
1. Starfinder
1. Spelljammer (tie)
3. Shadowrun
4.Robotech/Macross
5. Rifts
6. Pathfinder
7. Eberron
8. Greyhawk
9. Forgotten Realms
10. Dragonlance.
I LOVE YOU!
I HATE YOU!I didn't like Dark Sun and I know nothing of Planescape.
Edit: And Star Wars RPG has to go in there somewhere.
But do you hate that you love him?
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Some of my happiest moments in college were spent in Ravenloft.
Like the time I was playing the lawful-evil half-orc cleric who had a daily practice of killing a small furry woodland creature with her spear and attaching some portion of its pelt to my spearhaft as a sacrifice to my deity. So, when the friendly woodnymph NPC skipped out from behind a tree to offer us assistance and plot exposition, well... yup.
The party took soooo much burn from continuing to adventure with me.
They couldn't be too pissed because playing the LE half-orc was not my idea; I was given strict instructions that I was to play a character as far away from my standard bouncy-bosomed half-elf rogue in a chainmail bikini as possible. (Yes, I was, for a time, THAT girl in the gaming group. I was young and unforgivably irritating.)
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Forgot about Ravenloft.
Damn.
Honestly, the only reason Dragonlance is even on that list is
1.) I haven't played enough settings to push it out of the top 10.
and 2.) I had one campaign I played in where we were travelers from another world dumped on Krynn and it was surprisingly awesome.
Otherwise the setting wouldn't have made my list at all. Ravenloft may be 9 out of 10, but it's still got things I enjoyed about it.
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Forgot about Ravenloft.
Damn.
Honestly, the only reason Dragonlance is even on that list is
1.) I haven't played enough settings to push it out of the top 10.
and 2.) I had one campaign I played in where we were travelers from another world dumped on Krynn and it was surprisingly awesome.
Otherwise the setting wouldn't have made my list at all. Ravenloft may be 9 out of 10, but it's still got things I enjoyed about it.
It's mainly on my list because of Minotaur as a player race.
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I don't know what are you talking about. There are no books set in Forgotten Realms, only some bad fan-fics... That is an RPG setting not a books series after all.
Everyone a critic tonight…
Not that you're in any way wrong about the realms…^^
You don't want the people in charge of the realms consolidating deities, they did that with 4th edition, and did a horrible job at it.
One of the many unforgivable 4th edition mistakes.
Of course not!
I would.Which would make the entire Spell-plague debacle seem like a kids birthday, when I start bash portfolios and areas of interest together.
I mean just looking over the list...
You could probably do something with the sea and cold related deities.
Slapping some sort of combination of Istishia, Umberlee, Valkur and maybe a bit Auril together.
…
See what I mean?!
^^'
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I personally also don't see the "goody two shoes/boy scout" thing as a bad thing, nor do I understand why others do. But I've always been that way, as an LN-striving-to-be-LG person who favors Lawful characters in a hobby that seems to be always strongly catering to the Chaotic.
I can kind of see that.
My issue is usually the point where the boy scout-ness/ goody goody-ness become a bit too much. VE pointed at a bit of it...if you're 'too pure' you're un-conflicted. Such people tend to be static, unchanging and ultimately (in my opinion) far less interesting then people with foibles and flaws, as troubling as those might be.Also no matter how valorous, noble and pure-hearted you might be wading through the corpses of your enemies should make you more tired, cold and maybe even callous…not really reinforce said nobility.
or at least that my two cents...
...
Remind me why I was so excited about the weekend again?I hate parties. I hate noise. And I hate myself for being a spineless twit who doesn't know how to say no.
*Offers LM a cup of coffee, a bag of liquorice, a book of her choice and a nice comfy cubby hole to hide out in from a world of responsibilities*
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My favorite settings.
1. Starfinder
1. Spelljammer (tie)
3. Shadowrun
4.Robotech/Macross
5. Rifts
6. Pathfinder
7. Eberron
8. Greyhawk
9. Forgotten Realms
10. Dragonlance.
I LOVE YOU!
I HATE YOU!I didn't like Dark Sun and I know nothing of Planescape.
Edit: And Star Wars RPG has to go in there somewhere.
I really hated the heavy handed approach to magic and it was my brother's setting so that might've skewed my perception.
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My issue is usually the point where the boy scout-ness/ goody goody-ness become a bit too much. VE pointed at a bit of it...if you're 'too pure' you're un-conflicted. Such people tend to be static, unchanging and ultimately (in my opinion) far less interesting then people with foibles and flaws, as troubling as those might be.
Also no matter how valorous, noble and pure-hearted you might be wading through the corpses of your enemies should make you more tired, cold and maybe even callous…not really reinforce said nobility.or at least that my two cents...
I don't see the two as at all incompatible. I've met plenty of boyscoutish LG types with flaws and foibles and things they struggle with. And definitely plenty with conflicts to overcome and fight against, internal and external alike.
And all that without becoming cold or callous, which I don't believe is a must-have result of an adventuring life. I think "becoming more determined to right wrongs and protect the innocent" is a perfectly valid response to the horrors of engaging evil head-on.
Honestly, my reaction to that claim is just... how does anyone EVER maintain a Good alignment, if that's the expected result of being an adventurer? Or are all your adventurers Neutral at best?
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I can think of a couple types with conflict:
Vash the Stampede from Trigun - he's amazing, powerful, and could probably take out all his enemies easily if he'd just break his own vows. The internal conflict is there, and the external is the difficulty of defeating foes in a nonlethal manner for him.
Samuel Vimes from the Discworld series - he's determined to do right and uphold the law - but he's a cynical bastard and has tons of internal conflict.
...but to be honest, I had to look on TV Tropes to even find more than that.
You don't want the people in charge of the realms consolidating deities, they did that with 4th edition, and did a horrible job at it.
One of the many unforgivable 4th edition mistakes.
I love what 4th ed did to the realms.
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Also, GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think I'm enough of a stage musical geek or history geek. I just do not get the massive fandom over Hamilton.
I think it's a combination of things:
- a) history is an acceptable topic; not just history, but American history - specifically as and after the US became itself (rather than our semi-mythical pre-USA), with real people, and it's made entertaining
--> while historical musicals are certainly things that exist, generally speaking, they aren't about USA-stuff
--> it used a little-known historical figure, gives him a larger-than-life and interesting - and, perhaps, most importantly relatable - myth for people to see themselves, while being inspirational and moral: "hey, I can see that if someone from his background could do great things, so can I" + "I can recognize that he was flawed; I want to live my life imitating his good aspects while avoiding his pitfalls"
--> it also gives us a conceptualization of the Founding Fathers as human, and helps both rationalize and relate our current problems to theirs; it's a method of taking the cynicism and exhaustion of politics and still explaining why it's good to be proud of our country, and patriotic. It points that you don't have to accept or love everything about us as we currently are: that we can be patriots and participants and loyal citizens, but also be conscientious and outspoken critics of politics, society, and culture at the same time
- b) it's a musical with a powerful and heavy dose of rap; these are two genres that simply have not been a historical thing that has gone together
--> this has side effect "a" of making a genre significantly more inclusive (and potentially interesting) to people who, previously, haven't really seen themselves included in that way
--> this also expands the horizons of musicals, paving the way for potentially rather impressive variance and new possibilities for the genre
- c) it's simply really, really well constructed
For me, the musical is problematic in that it heavily features casual cursing and drunken rebellion as major themes and paints both as moral... but, eh, it's just not my social cuppa in that regard. Otherwise, it joins Wicked and a few others as "Wow, this is amazing."
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I love what 4th ed did to the realms.You don't want the people in charge of the realms consolidating deities, they did that with 4th edition, and did a horrible job at it.
One of the many unforgivable 4th edition mistakes.
Just curious, have you actually looked at 4e FR and seen what was done with it, or are you just saying this based solely on the internet colloquialism of "they blew everything up and it sucked"? I'm genuinely curious here.
Because if it's the former, I'm rather curious how you can be so fond of it when almost all of the complaints I've seen you post about FR are still 100% in place in its 4e incarnation.
Also, GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!
GUYS
GUUUUUUUYYYYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSSSSSSSS
SO GOOD
EDIT: putting cloths back on, BUT CHECK OUT THAT LINK!
I don't click on links, what is it about.
That's fair. I don't think your phone works well for that anyway, right?
Hamildolph (An American Christmas Story) - Hamilton Parody
I trust T-lion links anyways. Although after this one i'm not so sure...
Hey! This is squeaky clean and totally SFW!
((And, holy cow, did you see that introduction of Santa... XD))
I don't trust Tacticslion links for that exact reason.
I honestly have no idea what you mean? But it's always valid that you ask.
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- b) it's a musical with a powerful and heavy dose of rap; these are two genres that simply have not been a historical thing that has gone together
--> this has side effect "a" of making a genre significantly more inclusive (and potentially interesting) to people who, previously, haven't really seen themselves included in that way
--> this also expands the horizons of musicals, paving the way for potentially rather impressive variance and new possibilities for the genre
Oh hahah, oh wow. I did not think I could be less interested in it, but that right there, that did it.
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aren't you a teacher? I would think December would be like easy street.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
... no, no it is not.
Yes, and I teach pre-k/K mixed.
They get excited, they get goofy, they lose it completely, they get less sleep and more sugar, and there is so much anticipation. It's like having two dozen cocker spaniel puppies. Who, yes, sometimes pee when they get too excited. It's sweet but exhausting.
Plus this week is always hard because there's a bad grief anniversary in the middle of it. And on top of it, an old friend of ours went on hospice and died this week, and since we moved away, we couldn't go say goodbye, and my Grandma went into the hospital last night.
So f*** this week.
I'm so sorry. I feel your pain.
you would think that but it is actually the exact opposite
This man. He gets it.