AWESOME!!!
Seriously, that news is like +1,000,000,000
But I fear for the price tag... :P
Oh, and Greg... shouldn't that be Summer 2011?
Not too long ago we were all talking about how thick one of the recent Pathfinder hardcovers were to the point it could be used as a lethal weapon. Now this sucker is seriously going to allow for some shield bonuses in addition to incapacitating someone when swung across their head. XD
Definitely looking forward to teasers along the way.
1 billion, eh? I'll take that as a positive response. :-)
And...I don't know what you're talking about. ;-)
Heh heh.
1000 monsters. Wow.It's closer to around 750 IIRC. TOHR is hugemongous and TOH2 and TOH3 got progressively smaller. Still a truckload.
Just reposting from the other thread...
I assume that some creatures are not going to make the cut. The other question - will there be any new ones making an appearance?
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Sword and Wizardry? Is that an AD&D clone or an OD&D clone, I don't remember...
But, this is freaking cool! I have the original 3.0 ToH hardback, and the three PDFs (ToH 3.5, II and III), and the only one I look at regularly is the 3.0 hardback. I can't help it, I'm a reading Luddite. I prefer the feel of a book in my hands to reading off a monitor.
So, this being a deadwood release is exciting news for me!
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Sword and Wizardry? Is that an AD&D clone or an OD&D clone, I don't remember...
But, this is freaking cool! I have the original 3.0 ToH hardback, and the three PDFs (ToH 3.5, II and III), and the only one I look at regularly is the 3.0 hardback. I can't help it, I'm a reading Luddite. I prefer the feel of a book in my hands to reading off a monitor.
So, this being a deadwood release is exciting news for me!
It's a 0e clone. See the Sword & Wizardry Complete Rulebook just released by FGG. I'll post a link here in a minute.
And here it is.
Cool, so the Sword and Wizardry edition would be a "de-evolution" of popular 1e and original monsters. Coolio!
1) Wow, where do I pre-order?
2) Print / PDF bundle? Please?
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1) Wow, where do I pre-order?
2) Print / PDF bundle? Please?
FrogGodGames website, but they have not done any preorders of any of their books to date.
And every print edition book you buy from their site you get the book and PDF. Although you can just buy the PDF from them.
Good I am tired of Converting them, and it will be nice to have them all in one document.
Though I wish there was original artwork, I understand why there is not.
Just announced by Bill Webb on another thread:
"Frog God games is pleased to announce Tome of Horrors Complete
This book will be released in 2 formats; Swords and Wizardry and Pathfinder. It will consist of a huge volume encompassing all three Necromancer Games Tome of Horror volumes. Release date is Summer 2011, and retail price is TBD. This will be hardcover release. This massive Tome will contain almost 1000 monsters retstatted and reworked for both game systems, all in one place.
This is the largest, most comprehensive monster book ever released. Each monster is individually illustrated.
Let the discussion begin!"
This is on my 'must buy' list. Thanks Greg!
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Disclaimer: I'm actually the guy who came up with the name "Tome of Horrors", years ago on the NG forums.
I... To be honest, I don't know how enthusiastic I am about this, because of the dual system approach. Some of the latter Tome monsters I think would be so strange that "downgrading" them to a OD&D-esque system would result in all of their flavor disappearing. Plus all of the extra space taken up by stats I don't need and won't use. True, a 0e type thing would be like 3 lines, max, but still, what's going to get cut out, dropped, and lost because of it? I'm really not a big fan of multi-statted products. It was my biggest problem with Dragon back in the pre-Paizo days, and it's why I've dropped my Kobold Quarterly subscription.
I'll most likely pick up the PDF, assuming they can keep it under $30, but as for print... I kinda doubt it.
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Disclaimer: I'm actually the guy who came up with the name "Tome of Horrors", years ago on the NG forums.
I... To be honest, I don't know how enthusiastic I am about this, because of the dual system approach. Some of the latter Tome monsters I think would be so strange that "downgrading" them to a OD&D-esque system would result in all of their flavor disappearing. Plus all of the extra space taken up by stats I don't need and won't use. True, a 0e type thing would be like 3 lines, max, but still, what's going to get cut out, dropped, and lost because of it? I'm really not a big fan of multi-statted products. It was my biggest problem with Dragon back in the pre-Paizo days, and it's why I've dropped my Kobold Quarterly subscription.
I'll most likely pick up the PDF, assuming they can keep it under $30, but as for print... I kinda doubt it.
They're doing two different books, one for PF, one for the other game, at leas that's what I understood by "two formats".
If I'm mistaken, that might put a damper on my hardcopy desire as well.
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"The art will be in black and white since we're princiaplly reusing the art that already exists in the 3.5 TOHR, TOH2, and TOH3.
This I am very disappointed in, I understand why you would do this, so you can keep the production cost down, But I would Much rather you get new Art in Color and print the books in Color. I would pay for it.
This is a big reason I keep away from 3PP products, because they go so cheap on art, have terrible art, or go B&W a lot. When I see a book in B&W I literally cringe, and I have not bought books due to that or because of terrible art. One thing I love about Paizo their books looks so beautiful and they don't go cheap on the production on them.
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"The art will be in black and white since we're princiaplly reusing the art that already exists in the 3.5 TOHR, TOH2, and TOH3.This I am very disappointed in, I understand why you would do this, so you can keep the production cost down, But I would Much rather you get new Art in Color and print the books in Color. I would pay for it.
This is a big reason I keep away from 3PP products, because they go so cheap on art, have terrible art, or go B&W a lot. When I see a book in B&W I literally cringe. One thing I love about Paizo their books looks so beautiful and they don't go cheap on the production on them.
While I love full color as well, splashing money up front for 1k color illos ... well, that's three times as much as Paizo had to splash for either Bestiary, AND they recycled as much art as possible.
In terms of cost, 1 piece of monster art = 5 pages of writing. Yes, it's that expensive, and it's a killer for small companies, like Frog God.
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While I love full color as well, splashing money up front for 1k color illos ... well, that's three times as much as Paizo had to splash for either Bestiary, AND they recycled as much art as possible.
In terms of cost, 1 piece of monster art = 5 pages of writing. Yes, it's that expensive, and it's a killer for small companies, like Frog God.
And like I said, a reason If I was not going to buy it, it would be because of this.
Even if just the Lay out was in color and some of the Art was in color, it would be a huge improvement over the whole book in B&W.
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Oh wow, I have the ToHR and ToH2 on PDF, and printed out, but they are so unwieldy to reference for me. An actual book (and with the ToH3 stuff as well) would kick ass mightily!
I suspect that, like Ptolus, this is one of those books that my local gaming store is going to want me to pre-pay for, before they order it, so that they don't end up 'eating it' if I change my mind. :)
I'm fine with black and white, just don't use that stinky ink that WW was using at the end there. Nasty stuff!
Holy...! That's awesome news.
Just announced by Bill Webb on another thread:
"Frog God games is pleased to announce Tome of Horrors Complete
This book will be released in 2 formats; Swords and Wizardry and Pathfinder. It will consist of a huge volume encompassing all three Necromancer Games Tome of Horror volumes. Release date is Summer 2011, and retail price is TBD. This will be hardcover release. This massive Tome will contain almost 1000 monsters retstatted and reworked for both game systems, all in one place.
This is the largest, most comprehensive monster book ever released. Each monster is individually illustrated.
Let the discussion begin!"
I do have all 3 ToH books in PDF format... that I bought legally if I may add, and I love it. So, it's a pretty good news story here; you can NEVER have enough monsters anyway.
Will the books come in PDF formats as well ?
I am sure as with all of Frog God's other books, the PDF will come free with purchase of the book. And just as for their other products, you can purchase just the PDF without the book. Hope that helps.
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I checked with Bill on this very thing, but it's a no go. Necromancer doesn't own the rights to them though they were involved in the production to some extent.A hardback, Pathfinder ToH?
Now if only it would include monsters from the Creature Collections by WhiteWolf, I'd be a happy Hermit.
*sigh* Well I was more talking to myself, but thank you for checking. Do you know if there's a print + PDF bundle? and will it be offered through the Paizo store?
Recycled art is fine for me, well except for Lief Jones' Alu Fiend. That one always bugged me.
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OK, art I can live without, BUT:
1. Will it follow the one page = one monster format ? Because if there is anything I didn't like about the ToHRs, it's the wonky layout.
2. Will Universal Monster Rules(tm) format be followed ? With all the common stuff such as Rend or Regeneratio(n) described at the back of the book to make MOAR SPACEZ FOR MONSTARZ ?
I really want a print/PDF bundle. :)
6. I wanted it all in one books for serious "thud" factor. I can also stitch bind it this way for durability. I may do some sort of special cover (leather or faux leather). Still looking at options and price. i want this thing to be "Necronomican" scary like the book in the Evil Dead series.The DM should be able to say "This is my Boom Stick".
Oooh!! *Drool* You can put me down for that version.
Also, though I doubt everyone agrees with me, I prefer the interior to include only B/W pictures as they are cheaper for me to print if I need to show my group what a particular monster looks like.
RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32
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6. I wanted it all in one books for serious "thud" factor. I can also stitch bind it this way for durability. I may do some sort of special cover (leather or faux leather). Still looking at options and price. i want this thing to be "Necronomican" scary like the book in the Evil Dead series.The DM should be able to say "This is my Boom Stick".
Oh my Lordy Lord - I want that one too! Sign me up on a mailing list to get a preorder/ in-time-order on that bad boy!
Questions:
If you own ToH 1, 2 and 3, can you get the PDF at a discount?
Is the PFRPG and S&W Crunch in 1 book or in separate books?
And ... incase there was doubt, *excited!!!*