Just blame the proteans or Kae yoss, and you'll be fine :)If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version
Pale/tsathogga/Greg - please, consider this.
There's still a difference between these two?
I thought I *was* the Maelstrom!
If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version. This might come up in PFS as well.I don't really see the issue here - Paizo products will use Paizo's published stats. The PFS-legal version will be the Paizo version.
Plus, I guess that once these critters are converted, Paizo will not convert them all over again, even if some of the CTOH will appear in future Bestiaries. If they use tome critters in future bestiaries, they'll probably be CTOH versions reprinted.
It would be interesting to know about that, by the way: Now that all these critters will get a Pathfinder update, will Paizo still put them into Bestiaries? I'm sure we'll see many of these critters in modules and such, but will they find their way into Bestiary 3, 4?
If so, will you reprint the stats or adjust them?
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Most should be similar, but I left it to the discretion of the converters. There shouldn't be confusion, though, as the stat blocks will have to cite their source when used.I'd like to petition for ToHC having Paizo stats for the monsters that already were in the APs/B1/B2.
If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version. This might come up in PFS as well.
I'm not asking to exclude Shadow Demons, Gryphs, Sea Serpents etc - I merely ask to use Paizo stats for them in ToHC.
Pale/tsathogga/Greg - please, consider this.
C'mon neutral Forlarren neutral Forlarren neutral Forlarren
Pretty much just straight conversions. We're trying to keep tinkering to a minimum and not fix stuff unless its broken. Since the conversions are about 95% done now and just awaiting the final turnovers, we're not going to be able to do much to switch directions at this point. So in many, many of the monsters the changes other than the renaming of some skills (and re-allocating points), adding some feats, and adding CMB and CMD are going to be negligible.
Hmm... does that mean that their CR and stats weren't cross-checked? I haven't checked many ToH critters, but many of the basic SRD critters did get considerable boosts in PF, and it's possible that a similar percentage of ToH critters is similarly off.
Hmm... does that mean that their CR and stats weren't cross-checked? I haven't checked many ToH critters, but many of the basic SRD critters did get considerable boosts in PF, and it's possible that a similar percentage of ToH critters is similarly off.
Pretty much just straight conversions. We're trying to keep tinkering to a minimum and not fix stuff unless its broken. Since the conversions are about 95% done now and just awaiting the final turnovers, we're not going to be able to do much to switch directions at this point. So in many, many of the monsters the changes other than the renaming of some skills (and re-allocating points), adding some feats, and adding CMB and CMD are going to be negligible.
I think that you're reading far too much into what Greg said. Since he was specifically answering the question about whether or not there would be any monster tweaking like was done in the Beastiaries, I would assume that's what he meant by "straight conversions".
The team working on these conversions are top-notch so I don't think that you need to worry about the monsters not getting a proper boost and/or a challenge-rating adjustment.
I know that you only ask because you care.
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If there will be two versions of each monsters, we might face a mighty confusion when a Paizo product will include a ToHR monster with one version of the stats and the ToHC will have another version. This might come up in PFS as well.I don't really see the issue here - Paizo products will use Paizo's published stats. The PFS-legal version will be the Paizo version.
Personally, if possible, I'd like to see a re-imagining of the monster, though I don't know that this is something they're shooting for.
Yeah I actually would like to see different presentations of the same critters. The reason is that when I pull up a critter to throw at my group they will probably know everything there is to know about its Paizo version. But throwing out the TOHC version will leave them guessing and actually put some suspense into combat again.
While they are of both genders, most are humanoids, but their are some outsiders and at least one aberrant also working on the project.
Sorry, no subtypes, that would be too much detail. ;)
(I didn't answer before because I actually don't know EVERYONE involved and didn't want to leave people out or give the impression that some people were worth mentioning while other weren't. I also want to not be the guy who caused a flood of e-mails to clog up anyones inbox. <grin>)
Yep, the "straight conversion" to PF RPG includes making them fit the PF RPG CR and power levels. Some HD will change, etc.
Great!
Er...and women.Top...men...The team working on these conversions are top-notchWho?....;)
Ah, good. I was about to remark on this myself :D.
You know how not making sure your remarks are gender neutral can get you into tremendous trouble these days.
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Ah, good. I was about to remark on this myself :D.
You know how not making sure your remarks are gender neutral can get you into tremendous trouble these days.
Yeah but the Line in Raiders of the Lost Ark is not "Top...Men...and Women"
That is like having Spielberg go back to ET and replace all the Rifles with Walkie Talkies!!
oh....wait...
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Ah, good. I was about to remark on this myself :D.
You know how not making sure your remarks are gender neutral can get you into tremendous trouble these days.
Yeah but the Line in Raiders of the Lost Ark is not "Top...Men...and Women"
That is like having Spielberg go back to ET and replace all the Rifles with Walkie Talkies!!
oh....wait...
Yes thats why I commented about it being boxed away and collecting dust. I was wondering if anyone else was going to get it.
This will be limited to 500 printings?
If that is the case,it will definately become a collectable.
However, I hope I am wrong.
I don't want to try and buy one off eBay for some ridiculous price.
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This will be limited to 500 printings?
If that is the case,it will definately become a collectable.However, I hope I am wrong.
I don't want to try and buy one off eBay for some ridiculous price.
The first printing will be limited to 500 copies. These will generate revenue for a larger print run.
At least that's how I understood the post up-thread.
So I'm curious. At this point, we cannot preorder them, and it is unknown whether we can order them from the Paizo website or only directly from Frog God?
I just know that I never get to go to cons due to being working poor, so if they aren't available for online purchase, I won't be able to get one. I've bought every ToH so far since they came out, and I don't want to miss this one.
The first print run is currently projected to be 500 copies. We will print more if we have to, we like makin' the moolah!
A pre-order hasn't been set up at this point but with how many people are asking about it, I don't doubt that it will happen soon. I can't say for sure since that's Bill's area.
I can say for certain that you will be able to purchase the print version online from Frog God Games as we have done for all of our print versions. We sell only see our PDFs through other sites.
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A pre-order hasn't been set up at this point but with how many people are asking about it, I don't doubt that it will happen soon. I can't say for sure since that's Bill's area.I can say for certain that you will be able to purchase the print version online from Frog God Games as we have done for all of our print versions.
Aces.
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A pre-order hasn't been set up at this point but with how many people are asking about it, I don't doubt that it will happen soon. I can't say for sure since that's Bill's area.
I can say for certain that you will be able to purchase the print version online from Frog God Games as we have done for all of our print versions.
Any word on whether Tsar subscribers will get first shot, like we did with Swords & Wizardry: Complete Rulebook? I hope to get both versions pre-ordered.
Assuming this clocks in at 100 bucks or around that, I'll be getting a preorder for it once it becomes available. If it is more, I'll still get it, but will likely have to time it around the beginning of a semester. (Sweet GI Bill money)
Top...men...The team working on these conversions are top-notchWho?....;)
Indeed :)
-Scott
once you sell out of the first run of 500, and start the 2nd run, will you fix any known errata before 2nd printing, or just a straight re-print?
I would say we'll fix errata...except for the "black salad" typo from ToH 1. That one might need to stay :)
-Scott
Oh, and here's a list of the 735 entries culled from the indeces of the 3 Tomes of Horror.
** spoiler omitted **...
What daemons were going to be included, if I may ask? (I see the general mention of them but not the particular daemons listed here)
Otherwise, really looking forward to this. I never got TOH2 or TOH3 or the ToHRevised pdf. I really liked the things you guys did with the ToH1 tho, so I'm really revved up.
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What daemons were going to be included, if I may ask? (I see the general mention of them but not the particular daemons listed here)
Hmmm....didn't notice that before.
Cacodaemon
Charon (Boatman of the Lower Planes)
Charonadaemon
Derghodaemon
Hydrodaemon
Oinodaemon
Piscodaemon
That's the daemons from the ToH.
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What daemons were going to be included, if I may ask? (I see the general mention of them but not the particular daemons listed here)Hmmm....didn't notice that before.
Cacodaemon
Charon (Boatman of the Lower Planes)
Charonadaemon
Derghodaemon
Hydrodaemon
Oinodaemon
PiscodaemonThat's the daemons from the ToH.
So all but Charon and the Oinodaemon are redundant if you have Bestiary 2. The Oinodaemon is on the right CR range for a unique outsider lord (CR 37, James Jacobs has said his idea for the Demon Lords is CR 35-ish) but Charon is far too low (CR 23, though if you consider him a nascent outsider lord then he'd be ok - the idea is 21-25 for demon lords in training.)
Also, B2 Cacodaemon is completely different from ToH Cacodaemon. They share a name and that's it.
For the other stuff, yep, 500 is the initial print run only. I assume there will be enough interest for additional prints. It will be avialble for sale online primarily. Not sure about the Gen Con sale of it, that'll depend on the timing and preorders and stuff.
Thank you! A lot of us would be distraught if the book sale debuted at GenCon whereas a number of us would not get a chance to go to lay claim to 'the precioussssssss'.
I have a feeling you're going to sell out the initial print run based on the title's inherent nostalgia with a lot of the grognards here. And with those proceeds, hopefully it'll give you a nice seed for the next one. =)
I am going to do first printing pre-orders before we release at a Con; you will have an opportunity to get one.
If there are 499 pre-orders, whomever dares step into the 500th slot will die a horrible death. There will be no save nor spell resistance to hide behind. The One Book shall be mine.
;p
So, is it to late (or to early) to start providing our email addresses (via "spoiler" tags) for possible notification regarding the pre-order of this most wondrous tome?
If it's not (to late or early) here's mine:
Best Regards,
Dean; The_Minstrel_Wyrm
I am quite confidant that Bill and/or Greg will let us all know when we can preorder this tome. I only hope that we eager buyers don't crash his website when the preorder does go up. I am getting the feeling that this item in particular is going to be heavily in demand by all the excitement stirred up here and on the Necromancer boards.
I've had a tab open to Frog God ever since I saw this announcement. I keep refreshing, hoping for a way to pre-order.
Let Me Give You My Money, Frog God!
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Just curious.... is it possible for you to set the price based on the 500 cost printing and then give it a week or two to see if you get more so you could up the number with the printer? Technically best of both worlds? I'm really looking forward to getting this, but don't want to miss out by clicking the order button too late!
Joe, pre-orders in about 2 months...rest your reset button until March:)
Oh. Awesome! We have a date/month announcement. Cool. (Hmmm income tax time... yes, yes... very nice).