
Voss |

Man, souls are cheap!
Yeah, it gives me a sense of 'whatever.' The gods knocking over the world and keeping the souls (rather than letting them get devoured) is a strictly rational decision now. I'm actually surprised half of them voted against it.
But it also doesn't change anything on the main quest (stop Xykon from summoning the Snarl)- their world in the here and now is the only relevant world. The gods repeated (infinite?) failures doesn't change anything in the present world at all.
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The only thing that does change is the weird revelation the Raven had with the 'inner ocean.' That peaceful seeming was apparently irrelevant, as this is a monster with an endless hunger for uncountable souls and uncountable worlds, and the gods are equally monsters for repeatedly feeding their pet all those souls and worlds, endlessly repeating their mistake with no thought or change.

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Holy S#~~!!!
Quite literally IMO
How can even the present world mean anything if the gods just throw it away and replace it with a new one ? I find this casual throwing of uncounted souls at the Snarl disgusting
Not being quitters does not endear the gods to me right now. Not even the Good ones
Better that it would all end, gods included

MageHunter |

Maybe the current world is special. The second lasted four years, but this could be the one that inexplicably lasted for billions, surpassing any other.
That's why so many of the gods are so reluctant to let go; it's their best one yet. It's their greatest triumph and they want to fight for it.
Also why so many don't feel like fighting for it, it's a good one and it's okay to let go.

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The second world lasted four years before rifts formed in the fabric of the plane and the Snarl escaped, eating all of the mortals again.
So how does that work? The snarl ate a few toddlers? A few adults that were made out of dust and ribs four years prior? An entire world full of adults and children with implanted memories? A world full of "mortal" one-celled organisms because that's all that had evolved in four years?

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Fromper wrote:+1 bane (humanoid [pizza]) greataxeI think my favorite thing is the pizza slicer. The piece of pizza has what appears to just be a sword. But its enemy has a specialized weapon just for cutting pizza.
There's just so much silliness in this bleak story.
I don't think Pizza is humanoid.

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Well, I guess the moral implications depend on what ethical stance you take on things - it raises a lot of questions like;
Is it better to exist then be destroyed or to never exist at all?
Do the gods have a moral imperative to continue existing (presumably they need a supply of souls to do so, so they have to keep creating worlds)? (Some schools of ethics argue that allowing yourself to cease existing when you have any other choice is wrong)
Do the gods have a moral imperative to ensure reality always exists?
Do the gods have a moral imperative to oppose the snarl (in which case they have to keep creating worlds simply because it keeps destroying them)
Are the gods capable of just not creating worlds? It is their nature/function to create life.

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Vid,
Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.
Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.
I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.

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Thomas Seitz wrote:I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.Vid,
Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.
Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.
I've heard the whole comic books not having stakes argument before specially when concerning super man. to me the stakes should be the civilians and the heros loved ones. at least when we are talking a hero of that level of power anyways. Daredevils like can still be threatened but its hard to believe superman is going to get takin down. I think its a bit common for comic writers to forget about the little people which I feel is a mistake.

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Tender Tendrils wrote:I've heard the whole comic books not having stakes argument before specially when concerning super man. to me the stakes should be the civilians and the heros loved ones. at least when we are talking a hero of that level of power anyways. Daredevils like can still be threatened but its hard to believe superman is going to get takin down. I think its a bit common for comic writers to forget about the little people which I feel is a mistake.Thomas Seitz wrote:I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.Vid,
Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.
Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.
The problem there is random civilians don't tend to matter to the reader/viewer, and side characters who aren't superheroes honestly don't matter all that much a lot of the time (unless they get laborious amounts of screen time). I think Thor losing Mjolnir is honestly far more impactful in the MCU than if Thor was to lose Jane Foster (and she is one of the love interests in the MCU that gets a decent amount of screen time), as the audience largely cares about Mjolnir a lot more.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:The problem there is random civilians don't tend to matter to the reader/viewer, and side characters who aren't superheroes honestly don't matter all that much a lot of the time (unless they get laborious amounts of screen time). I think Thor losing Mjolnir is honestly far more impactful in the MCU than if Thor was to lose Jane Foster (and she is one of the love interests in the MCU that gets a decent amount of screen time), as the audience largely cares about Mjolnir a lot more.Tender Tendrils wrote:I've heard the whole comic books not having stakes argument before specially when concerning super man. to me the stakes should be the civilians and the heros loved ones. at least when we are talking a hero of that level of power anyways. Daredevils like can still be threatened but its hard to believe superman is going to get takin down. I think its a bit common for comic writers to forget about the little people which I feel is a mistake.Thomas Seitz wrote:I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.Vid,
Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.
Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.
Well, Mjolnir was supposed to be unbreakable. Jane Foster not so much. Being a mortal in the company of deities usually does not help with survival
Qv Ares in Marvel Comics : " Come with me and you will not lose a fight for the rest of your life. It's just that the rest of your life may be somewhat shorter than you expect."

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Thomas Seitz wrote:I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.Vid,
Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.
Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.
Except they essentially undid the loss by giving Thor a new hammer, even if it wasn't Mjolnir. He's got all the power back, just without the iconic item.
Would it have been undercut any more if they'd gathered the bits of Mjolnir and reforged that, rather than a different weapon with the same properties, but a different look?