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I fear no trees. It's the dire badgermoles that concern me.

Grand Lodge

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1138: Lesson Planar


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I just love the subtle nod Thor makes to comics and himself as comic. ;)

Also it kind of looks how I always thought the Astral Plane should look.

Silver Crusade

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I love all the background thoughts. And the fact that the big panel with the thoughts surrounding colors roughly represents the alignment scale.


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lol, I love how the Outer planes are represented in this one.

I'm guessing the Square one labeled "Don't you tell me what to do" is limbo

Dark Archive

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New one, with lots of implications


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Man, souls are cheap!

Grand Lodge

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..that's uh, that's something.


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Holy S+~#!!!

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I really want to know how long the current world has lasted now.


O.O I wonder what the different sizes of monument indicates.


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I think it's just perspective. The smaller ones are farther away from the viewer.


Andostre wrote:
Man, souls are cheap!

Yeah, it gives me a sense of 'whatever.' The gods knocking over the world and keeping the souls (rather than letting them get devoured) is a strictly rational decision now. I'm actually surprised half of them voted against it.

But it also doesn't change anything on the main quest (stop Xykon from summoning the Snarl)- their world in the here and now is the only relevant world. The gods repeated (infinite?) failures doesn't change anything in the present world at all.

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The only thing that does change is the weird revelation the Raven had with the 'inner ocean.' That peaceful seeming was apparently irrelevant, as this is a monster with an endless hunger for uncountable souls and uncountable worlds, and the gods are equally monsters for repeatedly feeding their pet all those souls and worlds, endlessly repeating their mistake with no thought or change.


Andostre wrote:
I think it's just perspective. The smaller ones are farther away from the viewer.

That’s what I thought too, but if you look closely, some of the smaller ones appear to be in front of the other, larger ones.


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This reminds me a lot of Aztec mythology. Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca feuded so much that they wrecked like four different worlds before settling on the last one, and even then tensions were high and people understood they could all die at any moment.


I'm pretty much agreeing with Sharoh as I was gob-smacked by this revelation.

You'd think after this first 500, they'd have come up with a better plan!


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Huh...

Gives new meaning to the phrase "Turtles all the way down."


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Sharoth wrote:
Holy S+$*!!!

O_O My reaction exactly.

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Sharoth wrote:
Holy S#~~!!!

Quite literally IMO

How can even the present world mean anything if the gods just throw it away and replace it with a new one ? I find this casual throwing of uncounted souls at the Snarl disgusting

Not being quitters does not endear the gods to me right now. Not even the Good ones

Better that it would all end, gods included


Maybe the current world is special. The second lasted four years, but this could be the one that inexplicably lasted for billions, surpassing any other.

That's why so many of the gods are so reluctant to let go; it's their best one yet. It's their greatest triumph and they want to fight for it.

Also why so many don't feel like fighting for it, it's a good one and it's okay to let go.


Thor wrote:
The second world lasted four years before rifts formed in the fabric of the plane and the Snarl escaped, eating all of the mortals again.

So how does that work? The snarl ate a few toddlers? A few adults that were made out of dust and ribs four years prior? An entire world full of adults and children with implanted memories? A world full of "mortal" one-celled organisms because that's all that had evolved in four years?


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^Maybe they tried all of the above. :P


This seriously bums me out...


well......crapbaskets


I mean whose to say their first world even had children or intelligence? Probably a lot of trial and error going on.


This ranks up with Wall of the Faithless with 'Gods are massive jerks'


I mean I think the only faith I've ever heard about that's chief divine person wasn't a bit of a jerk is Buddhism.

Silver Crusade

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Better Left in the Past


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Those are a couple pretty early references.


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It does explain so much.


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"Your time was too short, Laser-Snail."

That's all that really needs to be said. :)


Well that and the almost quote. Along with the fact I still think OotS Thor thinks he is (and might be) better than Comic Book Thor.


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Well when marvel Thor creates a complex universe of stick figure fantasy parody character then marvel Thor can compare hammers with OOTS thor.

Silver Crusade

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I think my favorite thing is the pizza slicer. The piece of pizza has what appears to just be a sword. But its enemy has a specialized weapon just for cutting pizza.

There's just so much silliness in this bleak story.

Liberty's Edge

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I like the envy of mortal limitations

And I wonder how many times this Thor gave the exact same stirring speech to a Durkon. It reminds me of the Matrix now


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Fromper wrote:

I think my favorite thing is the pizza slicer. The piece of pizza has what appears to just be a sword. But its enemy has a specialized weapon just for cutting pizza.

There's just so much silliness in this bleak story.

+1 bane (humanoid [pizza]) greataxe

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GM MacShack wrote:
Fromper wrote:

I think my favorite thing is the pizza slicer. The piece of pizza has what appears to just be a sword. But its enemy has a specialized weapon just for cutting pizza.

There's just so much silliness in this bleak story.

+1 bane (humanoid [pizza]) greataxe

I don't think Pizza is humanoid.


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This one is, as far as I can tell.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Well when marvel Thor creates a complex universe of stick figure fantasy parody character then marvel Thor can compare hammers with OOTS thor.

I still think Marvel Mjolnir is probably stronger than Oots Mjolnir.


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Well, I guess the moral implications depend on what ethical stance you take on things - it raises a lot of questions like;
Is it better to exist then be destroyed or to never exist at all?
Do the gods have a moral imperative to continue existing (presumably they need a supply of souls to do so, so they have to keep creating worlds)? (Some schools of ethics argue that allowing yourself to cease existing when you have any other choice is wrong)
Do the gods have a moral imperative to ensure reality always exists?
Do the gods have a moral imperative to oppose the snarl (in which case they have to keep creating worlds simply because it keeps destroying them)
Are the gods capable of just not creating worlds? It is their nature/function to create life.


Well really since oots Mjolnir is 2d and MCU's is 3D that kind of makes it infinity more powerful I suppose, but then hela went and crushed MCU mjornir so their is that.


Vid,

Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.

Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

Vid,

Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.

Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.

I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.


It would be fine if they made it a whole thing. maybe thor 4 bring in beta ray and have thor leave his hammer with ol bill then they could have him channel the unworthy thor for a while until he gets mjornir back through some epic quest.


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Tender Tendrils wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Vid,

Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.

Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.

I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.

I've heard the whole comic books not having stakes argument before specially when concerning super man. to me the stakes should be the civilians and the heros loved ones. at least when we are talking a hero of that level of power anyways. Daredevils like can still be threatened but its hard to believe superman is going to get takin down. I think its a bit common for comic writers to forget about the little people which I feel is a mistake.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Tender Tendrils wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Vid,

Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.

Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.

I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.
I've heard the whole comic books not having stakes argument before specially when concerning super man. to me the stakes should be the civilians and the heros loved ones. at least when we are talking a hero of that level of power anyways. Daredevils like can still be threatened but its hard to believe superman is going to get takin down. I think its a bit common for comic writers to forget about the little people which I feel is a mistake.

The problem there is random civilians don't tend to matter to the reader/viewer, and side characters who aren't superheroes honestly don't matter all that much a lot of the time (unless they get laborious amounts of screen time). I think Thor losing Mjolnir is honestly far more impactful in the MCU than if Thor was to lose Jane Foster (and she is one of the love interests in the MCU that gets a decent amount of screen time), as the audience largely cares about Mjolnir a lot more.

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Tender Tendrils wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Tender Tendrils wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Vid,

Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.

Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.

I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.
I've heard the whole comic books not having stakes argument before specially when concerning super man. to me the stakes should be the civilians and the heros loved ones. at least when we are talking a hero of that level of power anyways. Daredevils like can still be threatened but its hard to believe superman is going to get takin down. I think its a bit common for comic writers to forget about the little people which I feel is a mistake.
The problem there is random civilians don't tend to matter to the reader/viewer, and side characters who aren't superheroes honestly don't matter all that much a lot of the time (unless they get laborious amounts of screen time). I think Thor losing Mjolnir is honestly far more impactful in the MCU than if Thor was to lose Jane Foster (and she is one of the love interests in the MCU that gets a decent amount of screen time), as the audience largely cares about Mjolnir a lot more.

Well, Mjolnir was supposed to be unbreakable. Jane Foster not so much. Being a mortal in the company of deities usually does not help with survival

Qv Ares in Marvel Comics : " Come with me and you will not lose a fight for the rest of your life. It's just that the rest of your life may be somewhat shorter than you expect."


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If you have permanent loss of something important to the audience, sooner or later you're going to need to reboot because people miss what you took away.


Tender Tendrils wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Vid,

Yeah but I keep hoping somehow they'll use the Time Stone to undo that.

Much the same way I keep hoping comic book Mjolnir gets reforged.

I honestly hope MCU mjolnir doesn't get reforged - it being irrevocably lost was a big driver of character development and superhero universes have a tendency to undercut their own stakes by undoing every loss or death or change that occurs eventually. Ragnarock and Infinity War where the most enjoyable marvel movies for me partially because they established real stakes early on.

Except they essentially undid the loss by giving Thor a new hammer, even if it wasn't Mjolnir. He's got all the power back, just without the iconic item.

Would it have been undercut any more if they'd gathered the bits of Mjolnir and reforged that, rather than a different weapon with the same properties, but a different look?


All I know is MCU Stormbreaker isn't Comic book Stormbreaker and Comic book Thor doesn't have Mjolnir. He just has like dozens of semi-useful and some useless hammers.

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