Godzilla vs. Cthulhu

[Icyshadow]

I've seen a lot more Hype Backlash against Lovecraft stuff than I've ever seen being directed at Godzilla. Thus, Lovecraft is overrated.

Godzilla wins.

[Jaelithe]

LazarX wrote:

Krensky wrote:

Godzilla because Toho wouldn't approve the script otherwise.

Godzilla VS. King Kong was filmed with two endings. The American Release had King Kong as the victor, and in the Japanese, their patron Kaiju is the one who walks (or swims) away from the last battle.

As a matter of fact, Toho has gone out of its way to say that, officially, Kong is the victor. In a way, that's ridiculous, because Godzilla manhandles him throughout the battle (except when Kong is supercharged and he holds his own) renders Kong unconscious a couple of times and could simply have held him underwater and killed him. It's much more likely they were separated as they fell into the water and both departed the scene in the most convenient fashion, Kong on the surface and Godzilla underwater. Still, "Kong wins in every version" is the party line.

[Jaelithe]

Kthulhu wrote:

Davor wrote:

Oh, and Godzilla always wins, especially when all of Japan, and the world, cheers for him.

Yeeeaahhh.....only NO. Japan, and the world in general, generally tries to kill or incapacitate Godzilla whenever he appears. You know, since he tends to destroy cities and kill thousands.

And Godzilla seems to have a hatred for humanity.

True of certain versions of the character, yes, but ... the original Godzilla, from the Showa era, develops first a grudging acknowledgment of, then respect for and finally a protective feeling over humanity, which begins when Mothra convinces him and Rodan to drive King Ghidorah off the planet. Eventually, Godzilla begins to appear via notification through some precognitive power whenever a kaiju threat shows itself. Hedorah, Gigan, Megalon, Mechagodzilla and Titanosaurus are all defeated and either killed or shown the door. In the last five films of that period, he's cheered whenever he appears, and is acknowledged an ally of mankind.

[Orthos]

So in short the only reason Godzilla is considered a "good guy" is because a worse villain moved in on his turf. ;)

I kid, mostly. Ghidorah is my favorite Godzilla monster, hands down. But by the time he's around, he seems to be the one doing most of the wanton destruction, whereas Godzilla's mostly doing collateral damage in the process of either getting to or fighting against him.

[Jaelithe]

Orthos wrote:

So in short the only reason Godzilla is considered a "good guy" is because a worse villain moved in on his turf. ;)

It's actually a terrific scene. Mothra tries to convince Godzilla and Rodan, a pair of alpha males if ever there were two, that the three of them should combine their strength to fight King Ghidorah. When they flatly refuse, much preferring to squabble with each other, she tells them, essentially, "Fine. I'll fight him myself." And they both watch, dumbfounded, as this (relatively) tiny caterpillar crawls off to challenge the most powerful being in the Showa universe. Of course these two manly men can't just let the little lady die, so they're shamed into helping, charging to her rescue about thirty seconds into the fight. Brilliant.

Orthos wrote:

I kid, mostly. Ghidorah is my favorite Godzilla monster, hands down. But by the time he's around, he seems to be the one doing most of the wanton destruction, whereas Godzilla's mostly doing collateral damage in the process of either getting to or fighting against him.

One of the best things about King Ghidorah is the fact that his "roar" belies his tremendous power, sounding as it does like a hyena mated with a monkey and had conjoined triplets.

[LazarX]

Kthulhu wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Godzilla VS. King Kong was filmed with two endings. The American Release had King Kong as the victor, and in the Japanese, their patron Kaiju is the one who walks (or swims) away from the last battle.

Are you sure?

You're right there is a diffreence though. There was a separate American version with some alterations. In the Japanese version's end credits, Godzilla's roar is heard after Kong's impugning that he might have survived for the sequel rematch that never came about.

It would be afterwards that Godzilla would get the heroic remake.

[Orthos]

Jaelithe wrote:

Orthos wrote:

So in short the only reason Godzilla is considered a "good guy" is because a worse villain moved in on his turf. ;)

It's actually a terrific scene. Mothra tries to convince Godzilla and Rodan, a pair of alpha males if ever there were two, that the three of them should combine their strength to fight King Ghidorah. When they flatly refuse, much preferring to squabble with each other, she tells them, essentially, "Fine. I'll fight him myself." And they both watch, dumbfounded, as this (relatively) tiny caterpillar crawls off to challenge the most powerful being in the Showa universe. Of course these two manly men can't just let the little lady die, so they're shamed into helping, charging to her rescue about thirty seconds into the fight. Brilliant.

Mothra (or rather, the many different Mothras that exist throughout the continuity) is/are probably the only monster that can legitimately be considered "good". The poor things go through all kinds of hell trying to make that universe a little better from time to time.

If I had to name a second, it'd probably be Biollante (who happens to be my second favorite monster of the series), since in her movie she's completely defensive and protective and only fights Godzilla because he attacks the people who created her.

Jaelithe wrote:

Orthos wrote:

I kid, mostly. Ghidorah is my favorite Godzilla monster, hands down. But by the time he's around, he seems to be the one doing most of the wanton destruction, whereas Godzilla's mostly doing collateral damage in the process of either getting to or fighting against him.

One of the best things about King Ghidorah is the fact that his "roar" belies his tremendous power, sounding as it does like a hyena mated with a monkey and had conjoined triplets.

Gotta admit it's distinctive, though. You laugh the first couple of times you hear it, but after that....

[Jaelithe]

Orthos wrote:

Mothra (or rather, the many different Mothras that exist throughout the continuity) is/are probably the only monster that can legitimately be considered "good".

Actually, by Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, the Big "G" is practically a paladin.

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Gotta admit it's distinctive, though. You laugh the first couple of times you hear it, but after that....

Actually, I think it's evocative, creepy and all the more realistic for not sounding conventionally monstrous. Always thought it the third-coolest monster roar, behind Godzilla and Anguirus.

[Kthulhu]

Jaelithe wrote:

As a matter of fact, Toho has gone out of its way to say that, officially, Kong is the victor. In a way, that's ridiculous, because Godzilla manhandles him throughout the battle

It's also ridiculous because of the relative sizes in every appearance aside from his two Toho films, King Kong is nowhere near as huge as he is in those films. King Kong traditionally climbs skyscrapers...Godzilla rivals them in height.

[Kthulhu]

Jaelithe wrote:

True of certain versions of the character, yes, but ... the original Godzilla, from the Showa era, develops first a grudging acknowledgment of, then respect for and finally a protective feeling over humanity, which begins when Mothra convinces him and Rodan to drive King Ghidorah off the planet.

Considering how quickly the Shōwa era got silly, ridiculous, and just plain bad, I tend to disregard everything from that era with the exception of the original Godzilla and the original Mothra.

Heisei > Millennium >>>>> Legendary > Shōwa

[Jaelithe]

Kthulhu wrote:

Jaelithe wrote:

True of certain versions of the character, yes, but ... the original Godzilla, from the Showa era, develops first a grudging acknowledgment of, then respect for and finally a protective feeling over humanity, which begins when Mothra convinces him and Rodan to drive King Ghidorah off the planet.

Considering how quickly the Shōwa era got silly, ridiculous, and just plain bad, I tend to disregard everything from that era with the exception of the original Godzilla and the original Mothra.

Heisei > Millennium >>>>> Legendary > Shōwa

I simply treat them as different universes that developed along variant lines. Each has its merits and silliness. There are indeed terrible films in the Showa era. I tend to enjoy elements of them anyway, in some measure, I'm sure, because it's the first.

I think some are more fun because they don't take themselves so seriously.

[Jaelithe]

Kthulhu wrote:

Jaelithe wrote:

As a matter of fact, Toho has gone out of its way to say that, officially, Kong is the victor. In a way, that's ridiculous, because Godzilla manhandles him throughout the battle

It's also ridiculous because of the relative sizes in every appearance aside from his two Toho films, King Kong is nowhere near as huge as he is in those films. King Kong traditionally climbs skyscrapers...Godzilla rivals them in height.

Well, the Toho take, I believe, is that there are a subspecies of apes that grow to enormous size. The one Godzilla fought is the largest of these, far exceeding the American Kong's size. Considering that the "dinosaur" Kong fought in King Kong Escapes is Gorosaurus, a much larger version of which is later seen fighting King Ghidorah alongside Godzilla and the other Earth kaiju in Destroy All Monsters, I don't think they're too worried about perfect continuity. Their Kong (or Kongs) are a different being entirely, though clearly related. Heck, they may assert that the two Kongs we've seen are different versions. Certainly they look nothing alike, if you've seen KKE and King Kong vs. Godzilla.

[LazarX]

Jaelithe wrote:

Kthulhu wrote:

Jaelithe wrote:

As a matter of fact, Toho has gone out of its way to say that, officially, Kong is the victor. In a way, that's ridiculous, because Godzilla manhandles him throughout the battle

It's also ridiculous because of the relative sizes in every appearance aside from his two Toho films, King Kong is nowhere near as huge as he is in those films. King Kong traditionally climbs skyscrapers...Godzilla rivals them in height.

Well, the Toho take, I believe, is that there are a subspecies of apes that grow to enormous size. The one Godzilla fought is the largest of these, far exceeding the American Kong's size. Considering that the "dinosaur" Kong fought in King Kong Escapes is Gorosaurus, a much larger version of which is later seen fighting King Ghidorah alongside Godzilla and the other Earth kaiju in Destroy All Monsters, I don't think they're too worried about perfect continuity. Their Kong (or Kongs) are a different being entirely, though clearly related. Heck, they may assert that the two Kongs we've seen are different versions. Certainly they look nothing alike, if you've seen KKE and King Kong vs. Godzilla.

On the flip side in the new productions, Godzilla has now shrunk down almost to classic Kong size.

The 1970's Kong had an interesting size changing quality. The movie posters had him large enough to put one foot on each of the Twin Towers.

[Kthulhu]

Jaelithe wrote:

Kthulhu wrote:

Heisei > Millennium >>>>> Legendary > Shōwa

I simply treat them as different universes that developed along variant lines.

Very true, in a way. The continuity for the Heisei era resets, with only the original 1954 film remaining in the continuity. The Millennium era goes even a step further, with each film in that series essentially forming its own continuity (with the exception of Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. which is a direct sequel to Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla). (However, once again, the original 1954 film is considered to be a part of the continuity for each of the films)

[Kthulhu]

LazarX wrote:

On the flip side in the new productions, Godzilla has now shrunk down almost to classic Kong size.

Er....what?

I assume you're talking about the Legendary Godzilla (based on the "new productions" bit)...but he's the largest Godzilla yet. So I don't really know WHAT the hell you're talking about.

[LazarX]

Kthulhu wrote:

LazarX wrote:

On the flip side in the new productions, Godzilla has now shrunk down almost to classic Kong size.

Er....what?

I assume you're talking about the Legendary Godzilla (based on the "new productions" bit)...but he's the largest Godzilla yet. So I don't really know WHAT the hell you're talking about.

In the Matthew Broderick movie, Godzilla can fit inside of Madison Square Garden with plenty of room to spare. In the Toho movies, he would step on it.

[Kthulhu]

That's not Godzilla.

And I find it rather odd that you refer to it as "the new production", give that there have been seven Godzilla films since that one.

Not to mention the fact that it was released 17 years ago. When, to you, does it stop being "new"?

[Ceaser Slaad]

All this talk of Godzilla movies and no one has mentioned the ultimate Godzilla movie yet, "Bambi vs. Godzilla".

[meatrace]

Cthulhu automatically wins because Gojira is fictional.

[Umbral Reaver]

What next? Nyarlathotep, Loki, Eris, Anansi and Coyote in a free-for-all?

[Here4daFreeSwag]

When you are an International 2014 Kaiju-Superstar, you can never visit the Eastern Hemisphere without causing a commotion...

P.S. ...and the inevitable, extended sequel to follow.

P.P.S. Some equal time for the Sleeping One of R'lyeh. (Okay, maybe not quite so equal in a euclidean manner...)

[Dungeon Master Zack]

Londo Bell (the Super Robot Wars version) would crush both of them, at the same time!

[christos gurd]

Kthulhu wrote:

That's not Godzilla.

And I find it rather odd that you refer to it as "the new production", give that there have been seven Godzilla films since that one.

Not to mention the fact that it was released 17 years ago. When, to you, does it stop being "new"?

in final war that version was s&%!-stomped by Godzilla. Official name given is just Zilla.

[Electric Wizard]

They're making a movie? They're making a movie? They're making a movie?

[Professor Farnsworth, Scientist]

{scribbles notation of new Tensorynbee Convector appearance}

[high G]

Grand Magus wrote:

> This < is my fave ゴジラ video.

Word.

[Grand Magus]

Call of Cthulhu 7th edition is a great system. Remember those old Godzilla movies? Well, you can copy the plot points of a movie, or even combine a few from different movies, and translate it into a Call of Cthulhu RPG adventure.

Post the links to your encounters, I'm curious to see how making Godzilla adventures worked out for you using the Call of Cthulhu 7th edition rules.

[high G]

I'm looking for my big monkey.

[Vidmaster7]

We have the stats for both in pathfinder. should be easy enough to see who wins.

[Grand Magus]

Vidmaster7 wrote:

We have the stats for both in pathfinder. should be easy enough to see who wins.

It will come down to tactics.

Godzilla v Cthulhu: Godzilla is well documented being a tactful adversary in battle field conditions. Cthulhu is surrounded by drama and lost his only recorded encounter.

Godzilla v King Kong: Kong is wily, and a monkey-brain has a naturally occurring RNG making predicting his moves a web of guesswork. Godzilla has the advantage at range and has always shown a willingness to enter the grapple. Kong's grapple is fearsome and I've never seen it broken in any of his recorded fights.

However, in both cases, my bet is on Godzilla. Godzilla is the King of Kings. Into the dirt his will be done. Now feel your fear.

.

[Monkey Santa]

Pfft. Kong 4 eva!

[Master Pugwampi]

Monkey Santa wrote:

Pfft. Kong 4 eva!

I don't know. I have some Jinkin acquaintances who have placed thirty quatloos on Godzilla.

[Tacticslion]

Grand Magus wrote:

It will come down to tactics.

Wait, what?

Oh, geez, this is so much pressure!

Um... er... ah... I... I choose... GAMERA!

(Am... am I doing it right?)

[Pillbug Toenibbler]

Well, Gamera is really neat and filled with turtle meat.

Edit: Crap, now I've got the MST3K song stuck in my head again.