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Speaking of Leng, Sense of the Sleight of Hand Man is out... It seems like a really cool adventure. Do you have it yet?
That's certainly an option... but keep in mind that he's not an employee and isn't privy to all the in-house conversations and plans that we have for all things Pathfinder.Todd Stewart did BotD3, so i would ask him:)I don't have Demons Revisted so my apologies if this is answered there,
Aside from seduction and corruption what hobbies or other jobs do Succubi do?
Also since its kinda you=Demons and Wes=Devils, who do I go to for Daemons?
This.
Paizo is seriously awesome to let me play in their sandbox, but more than anything else, it's -their- sandbox regardless of what topics I've written on for them. They get to decide what the official answers to questions are. :)
I'll happily talk about daemons over on my ask thread, but everything there that I say is prefaced with the 'if it's not in a book it's not canon and I'm not an employee'.
Is there room in Pathfinder for adventures dealing with alternate timelines? Like an alternate version of Golarion where the Worldwound has spread even further, or where Taldor never lost control of Cheliax, etc.
That's certainly an option... but keep in mind that he's not an employee and isn't privy to all the in-house conversations and plans that we have for all things Pathfinder.Todd Stewart did BotD3, so i would ask him:)I don't have Demons Revisted so my apologies if this is answered there,
Aside from seduction and corruption what hobbies or other jobs do Succubi do?
Also since its kinda you=Demons and Wes=Devils, who do I go to for Daemons?
This.
Paizo is seriously awesome to let me play in their sandbox, but more than anything else, it's -their- sandbox regardless of what topics I've written on for them. They get to decide what the official answers to questions are. :)
I'll happily talk about daemons over on my ask thread, but everything there that I say is prefaced with the 'if it's not in a book it's not canon and I'm not an employee'.
i'm sorry i assumed you were a full-time employee, just trying to be helpful:) loved your book btw
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Since you guys are planning on doing an article on the Abyss in one of the upcoming Wrath of the Righteous modules, will there be any info on Nurgal's realm of Kuthan?
And if not, considering he plays absolutely no role in WotR, any chance you can give me a bit of info on what his realm might feature beyond what we know from the Lords of Chaos book?
;)
There'll be a little info on all the realms, but not a lot.
Hello Mr. Jacobs,
I just have a question that, i hope, you can answer. I just wanna know, in your opinion, how would you do the point buy in Wrath of the Rigtheous? 20 point buy or 25? Since its mythic, its alreally high fantasy i guess, but i would like to hear your opinion on the subject. Thanks in advance! Sorry for the vocabulary mistake.
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Ah, okay. For some reason, having an idea where the races are based makes them feel more grounded in Golarion to me...not to mention giving some ideas when it comes to coming up with a character's background!
1) It might be too early to ask this, but would an android PC be a good idea for the Iron Gods AP, or would it be better to keep them as NPCs for it? I've been thinking about playing a sage bloodline android sorcerer for awhile...
2) Would you say that someone with multiple personality disorder could have a persona of another alignment than himself, or one that worships another deity than the original personality? If so, what would happen if they died while a persona of a different alignment or worshiper of another deity was in control?
3) What gods do you think azatas would be most inclined to either worship or serve? And how easy do you think it is for a celestial to get to meet their god in general, though that probably depends a lot on the god...gotta find Desna first, after all...
1) Androids, be they NPCs or PCs, will have an important role to play in Iron Gods.
2) It's certainly possible, but depends on how far your GM wants to take the concept.
3) Empyrial lords, Desna, Milani, or other Chaotic Good gods.
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1)have you ever played a halfling PC, if so what made him most memorable (or forgettable) for you?
in case you couldn't tell i'm rather partial to halflings:)2) what did you think of the performance of whoever played Bilbo in The Hobbit?
also Hard Root Beer RULES!!!!! (in moderation:)
1) Many times. The two most memorable were Alauniira Mlezzir (a halfling psionicist who worshiped Eilistraee) and Thistle Ambermead (a halfling paladin who got himself killed by a demon). Thistle lasted for only a few sessions in that Planescape game and was replaced by Ameiko, while Aluniira lasted an entire campaign.
2) He did an excellent job!
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Hey James,
What are the chances of you guys doing a Devils Revisited book any time soon? I'm running a Way of the Wicked campaign, and one of them is going to be a half-cornugon devil when they're done. Wouldn't mind having something for him to take.
No plans to do so really anytime soon. Demons Revisited mostly happened because I was eager to write it... and so it'd probably need Wes to be eager to write Devils Revisited to get that off the ground. And that's not something he's started considering yet, I don't think.
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Looking at the text, it seems to state that the default religion for the Shoanti is a combination of animisism, ancestor worship, and druidism. They're aware of the EXISTENCE of the gods, they're only actually worshiped by Shoanti that leave their people behind. And each warrior has a "totem spirit" that appears to them in adulthood. It's not clear where Empyreal Lords fall in this mindset. That they venerate the northern lights (called Athaureon) seems to indicate a connection to Pulura similar to Kellid worship of her.
Of course that makes it hard for a paladin to come from Shoanti stock.
How would these things work for someone who was raised outside Shoanti society, though? For instance, if I wanted to play Curse of the Crimson Throne as a Shoanti-blooded person who grew up in Korvosa's ghettos, similar to things like Sherman Alexie's descriptions of growing up on Native American reservations. And how do Shoanti view interbreeding with non-humans? Half-orcs it states are shunned and never welcome due to the strong enmity the Shoanti have for them, and the fact that such offspring are often the result of defeat and humiliation in the worst way. But how do the Shoanti view half-elves? They're at least tolerant to outsiders if they're not Chelaxian, but I'm not sure how a Shoanti community would react if, for example a visiting elf pursued an affair with one of their warriors.
Hmmm...the more I read about them, the less appropriate a Shoanti paladin kind of characters seems for Curse of the Crimson Throne. Not because it's unworkable, you understand, but that the kind of backgrounds in CotCT seem more oriented towards urban-born characters, and part of the whole schtick in Pathfinder 10 is that they ARE outsiders. Having a character already be Shoanti kind of defeats the purpose of the tests in that episode...
Sounds about right... you could certainly have a Shoanti worship a deity, but if that Shoanti was also part of a tribe, he would be unusual. If you're Shoanti but grew up outside of the tribe system, which happens plenty, then that's not as much an issue.
A Shoanti raised outside of the tribe would likely take on the mannerisms of whatever society raised him to a certain extent. Sheriff Hemlock in Sandpoint's a good example of a Shoanti who has a much more Varisian viewpoint on the world. In any event, a paladin Shoanti would likely be treated very much as an outlander in part 10 of Crimson THrone.
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How would a player character deal with asthma in game?
Until said PC could afford to have the disease cured via something like remove disease, I'd probably set up asthma as an affliction that causes 1 point of Strength damage per day and thus doesn't ever really get super deadly... but would say that in times of great exertion or exposure to certain attacks (such as mold and the like) would need to makes saves to avoid exhaustion and possible suffocation. Of course... before I'd write it up, I'd do a lot more research on the disease to make sure the rules modeled its effects right...
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James what's your oppinon on RTS games?
Before Starcraft, I quite enjoyed them. I played the HECK out of Warcraft and a few others.
Starcraft "cured" me of the genre. My experiences playing Starcraft were so singularly unsatisfying, frustrating, annoying, and enraging that I've pretty much never played another RTS since.
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Hope you are on the road to recovery, sir. I was really hoping the crud would pass you by this year.
As was I. It missed me 2 years ago... but I've been pretty much hit by it every year for the past 9 years. And this year threw what might be an ulcer or gallstone into the mix too... ugh.
I'm getting better and should be back to work on Monday... but there's gonna be noticeable ripple effects on the release schedule of Wrath of the Righteous around Part 4, I fear...
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So given how awesome Wrath of the Righteous is looking right now, and given that several things about mythic adventures were more to my liking than I had initially expected, I started giving thought to the matter of mythic rules in relation to APs.
APs where the PCs gain mythic tiers should of course be rare, even if the rules DO catch on strongly, because mythic is only so when it's special - I can't imagine seeing much more than a single mythic campaign every couple of years or so, with maybe a mythic module every once in a while too.
The scope of WotR is something that is going to be hard to replicate too often. It truly is about Golarion shaking events. So I was thinking, "do all mythic APs have to end with PCs at level 20 with 10 mythic tiers? do all mythic APs have to give mythic to the PCs as early as adventure 1?"
And I guess now I'm directing those questions at you - would it be possible to see for example an AP that only gives PCS mythic tiers at the end of part 4, and ends at level 18 with like 3 mythic tiers or something like that? The way mythic tiers work means that an adventure of just about any level can be "mythic", without having to include CR 30 foes in it...
I suspect that Mythic APs will indeed have PCs ending at 20th level, simply because that's what level it looks like you'll hit in 6 parts, in the same way a non-mythic AP tops out around 16th.
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Weird Question: Does worship have to be admiration? For example, there were plenty of "Gods" in Greek and Roman mythology that were worshiped more out of fear rather than love.
If so, are there any examples of this on Golarion? And does this 'nega-worship' still grant a deity powers?
And if the above is true, could the *Blame Cosmo* thread represent Cosmo's Mythic Ascension into demigodhood?
Worship can be admiration, lust, fear, jealousy, awe, or anything else.
What exactly is granted to a deity or demigod from being worshiped isn't something we've explained, and nor shall we, I suspect.
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I know you're a American Horror Show fan. So here's a slew of questions.
1) What is your favorite season? Murder House or Asylum? I personally love asylums and thought the second season was amazing.
2) Are you super stoked for American Horror Story: Coven? I am since it's one of the few pre-20th century American horror folktales that really jump out to me.
3) Have you ever had NPCs based on the characters in American Horror Story? I find myself coming back to the sister and doctor in Asylum a lot.
1) Asylum, so far. Not sure why, but both seasons were really cool.
2) I am indeed!
3) Not intentionally... although the show covers such a huge range of classic horror tropes that there's been plenty of crossover UNintentionally.
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Speaking of Leng, Sense of the Sleight of Hand Man is out... It seems like a really cool adventure. Do you have it yet?
Never heard of it until this post... so nope, don't have it.
James,
curious, what character/class would you use for the Wrath of the Righteous AP?
Are there any plans to use any of the Paizo staff characters in any upcoming novels, comics, or AP's?
On that token who's in charge of handling the Pathfinder comic, as much as I'm enjoying seeing the antics of Valeros and company I kinda do want to see what's going on with the rest of the iconics.
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Hey James, first time posting in this thread! :D
I'm wanting to make a Demon Lord (since now we have the Demon Lord Qualities, and finally have one statted up) based on Dracula from the Castlevania games. My questions are:
1) Could a demon lord be undead? Would it be over the top to have the demon lord traits and the vampire/undead traits?
2) I was thinking of whether to use all undead HD to stat the demon lord up, since its supposed to also be a vampire, or to use outsider HD instead (with the assumption being that the Abyss has remade the creature into demon lord) and give it an ability saying that it has all the undead qualities and has all abilities of a vampire.
Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Welcome!!!
1) Yes, you can have an undead demon lord. Zura might be undead, for example.
2) I would probably use outsider HD and just give it undead traits. Kinda like how we did inevitables as outsiders with construct traits.
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Is there room in Pathfinder for adventures dealing with alternate timelines? Like an alternate version of Golarion where the Worldwound has spread even further, or where Taldor never lost control of Cheliax, etc.
Nope. That's not something we're eager to try out, since we put so much work in on the timeline itself.
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Hello Mr. Jacobs,
I just have a question that, i hope, you can answer. I just wanna know, in your opinion, how would you do the point buy in Wrath of the Rigtheous? 20 point buy or 25? Since its mythic, its alreally high fantasy i guess, but i would like to hear your opinion on the subject. Thanks in advance! Sorry for the vocabulary mistake.
I'd do 15 point buy. That's the assumption for ALL of our Adventure Paths. Mythic is no exception.
Hi,
So, been awhile since I posted in this thread (it grows so fast it's hard to keep up with it!).
Got a couple of questions if you don't mind them?
1) Tieflings (Blood of Fiends) have an alternate ability that says 'You do not require sleep, you are not immune to sleep effects'. Not asking for an FAQ entry, asking your personal opinion on it. My GM is looking for input on it. Does not need to sleep would seem to indicate that you don't need to sleep to recover your energy under normal circumstances, but it's not accompanied by the 'immune to fatigue' that construct races get. So, it seems to me that just running around doing whatever wouldn't fatigue you, but things like waves of fatigue or thin air in high mountains would. On the fence about pushing your walking day, IE: traveling 16 hours. If you never need to sleep, then that seems to argue you don't need to sleep to get rid of the fatigued state, maybe just rest the hour you normally need to get rid of it. On a related note, not sleeping would be kind of boring, so I'm thinking that they'd need a hobby (much like Warforged did in 3.5), carving, painting, something quiet to do while their allies are sleeping. Presumeably they'd be able to get in 8 hours of crafting (carving, etc) over night, and 8 hours of travel. Last part of this, the Wizard spell rules state you need 8 hours of rest, or if you don't need to sleep, you have to have a calm restful time. But calm restful isn't really defined. So would this be basically sitting doing nothing (which is listed for rest, which is before restful calm), or does it basically mean he needs to be lounging around the campsight, keeping an eye out for someone attacking, things like that?
2) This is somewhat related. :) Androids. Same question on the lack of sleep, immunity to fatigue, etc. 8 hours of travel, 8 hours of crafting (again, carving, painting, writing, etc). Since they don't get tired, can they craft more than the normal limit of 8 hours? I'm sure they can walk 24/7 without stopping. And same question about a wizard/witch/etc arcane prepared caster as the Tiefling above, what is restful calm vs rest? And does sitting around painting a painting or writing constitute restful calm (I find painting miniatures very calming personally).
3) Did you enjoy con?
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Hi,
So, been awhile since I posted in this thread (it grows so fast it's hard to keep up with it!).Got a couple of questions if you don't mind them?
1) Tieflings (Blood of Fiends) have an alternate ability that says 'You do not require sleep, you are not immune to sleep effects'. Not asking for an FAQ entry, asking your personal opinion on it. My GM is looking for input on it. Does not need to sleep would seem to indicate that you don't need to sleep to recover your energy under normal circumstances, but it's not accompanied by the 'immune to fatigue' that construct races get. So, it seems to me that just running around doing whatever wouldn't fatigue you, but things like waves of fatigue or thin air in high mountains would. On the fence about pushing your walking day, IE: traveling 16 hours. If you never need to sleep, then that seems to argue you don't need to sleep to get rid of the fatigued state, maybe just rest the hour you normally need to get rid of it. On a related note, not sleeping would be kind of boring, so I'm thinking that they'd need a hobby (much like Warforged did in 3.5), carving, painting, something quiet to do while their allies are sleeping. Presumeably they'd be able to get in 8 hours of crafting (carving, etc) over night, and 8 hours of travel. Last part of this, the Wizard spell rules state you need 8 hours of rest, or if you don't need to sleep, you have to have a calm restful time. But calm restful isn't really defined. So would this be basically sitting doing nothing (which is listed for rest, which is before restful calm), or does it basically mean he needs to be lounging around the campsight, keeping an eye out for someone attacking, things like that?
2) This is somewhat related. :) Androids. Same question on the lack of sleep, immunity to fatigue, etc. 8 hours of travel, 8 hours of crafting (again, carving, painting, writing, etc). Since they don't get tired, can they craft more than the normal limit of 8 hours? I'm sure they can walk 24/7 without stopping. And same question about a wizard/witch/etc arcane prepared caster as the Tiefling above, what is restful calm vs rest? And does sitting around painting a painting or writing constitute restful calm (I find painting miniatures very calming personally).
3) Did you enjoy con?
1) Being immune to sleep is not the same as immunity to fatigue. They are separate conditions.
2) Up to your GM, but probably, yeah. I would say so. They'd still need to rest to prepare spells though. Restful calm is basically sitting or lying or reclining in a state of mostly motionlessness. Meditation, for example. Painting, crafting, reading, writing, are not "restful calm."
3) Not really. I enjoyed talking to folks, and Paizo did VERY well... but I don't generally enjoy conventions. Or the sickness they bring.
There'll be a little info on all the realms, but not a lot.Since you guys are planning on doing an article on the Abyss in one of the upcoming Wrath of the Righteous modules, will there be any info on Nurgal's realm of Kuthan?
And if not, considering he plays absolutely no role in WotR, any chance you can give me a bit of info on what his realm might feature beyond what we know from the Lords of Chaos book?
;)
Hm.. sounds good. I guess that means I can have plenty of leeway on working with Nurgal's realm in my upcoming homebrew campaign, then, as the players will be likely visiting that realm long before that book comes out.
Inhabitants will include lots of fiendish felines, fiendish draconic races (Fiendish Blue Dragons!), and a sect of Ancient Azlanti worshippers of Nurgal who fled into the Abyss during Earthfall and have been there ever since, adapting and thriving in the less-than-hospitable landscape. They'd be heavily tainted, of course, and might either have become Demon-Spawn Tieflings or acquired the Fiendish template.
At least, thats my personal idea for the realm..
1) Being immune to sleep is not the same as immunity to fatigue. They are separate conditions.
2) Up to your GM, but probably, yeah. I would say so. They'd still need to rest to prepare spells though. Restful calm is basically sitting or lying or reclining in a state of mostly motionlessness. Meditation, for example. Painting, crafting, reading, writing, are not "restful calm."
3) Not really. I enjoyed talking to folks, and Paizo did VERY well... but I don't generally enjoy conventions. Or the sickness they bring.
1) The ability doesn't make you immune to sleep, it says you never NEED to sleep (it actually says you specifically are not immune to sleep). That's why it's kind of confusing. And I said, Fatigue could certainly apply from doing things like spells, or high altitude, but if you don't need to sleep, I'm not sure what would cause fatigue for just doing whatever you do normally as long as you don't push yourself (like walking 9 hours straight without a break). That's why I asked the question.
2) Seems like it's pretty much a useless ability then for a prepared spellcaster, since you have to sit motionless for 8 hours a day anyway. Much better to just do spontaneous arcane or divine, since neither has to do that.
3) Blech, I hate being sick. I don't go to cons much, but the last time I did go to a big event, I actually took dayquil every day, and took vitamins and drank a lot of orange juice the two weeks before and the two days I was there.
Hey, hope you had a great Gen Con!
I'm running Rise of the Runelords, and in my campaign, Nualia got away at Thistletop. My initial thought is that I'd like her to have become a half-fiend, which is especially attractive given the variants in the new Demons Revisited. With that inspiration, I've decided I don't want to use the out-of-the-box half-fiend template given in the Bestiary.
My problem comes in deciding what sort of demon blood to give her. She seems like she's all about wrath, so half-vrock seems the most appropriate. However, she's getting her power from Lamashtu, and while Lamashtu does have some vrocks under her command, that really does seem like a Pazuzu thing. The text suggests that she might even become a succubus, but lust seems like it plays a very small part in her makeup.
So what's your suggestion? Is there another type of demon that I should look at, or should I come up with my own variant?
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No plans to do so really anytime soon. Demons Revisited mostly happened because I was eager to write it... and so it'd probably need Wes to be eager to write Devils Revisited to get that off the ground. And that's not something he's started considering yet, I don't think.Hey James,
What are the chances of you guys doing a Devils Revisited book any time soon? I'm running a Way of the Wicked campaign, and one of them is going to be a half-cornugon devil when they're done. Wouldn't mind having something for him to take.
Fair enough. So how did you come up with what to switch? I still need to make the half-cornugon. Thinking of taking the stats for a half-succubus and putting the +8 CHA to STR, and moving the +2 DEX to the CHA. But their special abilities could be hard to judge what goes and what stays.
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Sounds about right... you could certainly have a Shoanti worship a deity, but if that Shoanti was also part of a tribe, he would be unusual. If you're...Looking at the text, it seems to state that the default religion for the Shoanti is a combination of animisism, ancestor worship, and druidism. They're aware of the EXISTENCE of the gods, they're only actually worshiped by Shoanti that leave their people behind. And each warrior has a "totem spirit" that appears to them in adulthood. It's not clear where Empyreal Lords fall in this mindset. That they venerate the northern lights (called Athaureon) seems to indicate a connection to Pulura similar to Kellid worship of her.
Of course that makes it hard for a paladin to come from Shoanti stock.
How would these things work for someone who was raised outside Shoanti society, though? For instance, if I wanted to play Curse of the Crimson Throne as a Shoanti-blooded person who grew up in Korvosa's ghettos, similar to things like Sherman Alexie's descriptions of growing up on Native American reservations. And how do Shoanti view interbreeding with non-humans? Half-orcs it states are shunned and never welcome due to the strong enmity the Shoanti have for them, and the fact that such offspring are often the result of defeat and humiliation in the worst way. But how do the Shoanti view half-elves? They're at least tolerant to outsiders if they're not Chelaxian, but I'm not sure how a Shoanti community would react if, for example a visiting elf pursued an affair with one of their warriors.
Hmmm...the more I read about them, the less appropriate a Shoanti paladin kind of characters seems for Curse of the Crimson Throne. Not because it's unworkable, you understand, but that the kind of backgrounds in CotCT seem more oriented towards urban-born characters, and part of the whole schtick in Pathfinder 10 is that they ARE outsiders. Having a character already be Shoanti kind of defeats the purpose of the tests in that episode...
Yay! I'll get started building Ardak Dawn-Dancer, Shoanti-blooded-half-elf paladin of Sarenrae for an upcoming game. Thanks James Jacobs! :)
Not yet, I can't.Ola :) - I hear a lot of "Swashbuckler"; but I wonder to myself: "what is it really?" I mean, what should such a class do/have and what kind of mechanic could be associated with that? Could you enlighten me please?
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Hey James,
What is the difference between how Calistria views lust...and how succubus lead mortals to damnation with it?
I mean why don't every Calistrian go to the Abyss(I am sure some do)?
Do succubus target Calistria followers as easy targets...or aviod as they are more in touch with that particular base instinct to not easily fall for it?
Anything else you can add to this target would be helpful.
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I'm not James, but I'd say it's intent that separates a Calistrian from a succubus. Calistrians view lust as a normal part of life, and their interest is largely just sating it consensual-like. They don't look beyond the act of sex itself. It's not a means to an end, but rather the end itself. For a succubus, lust and sexuality ARE a means to an end, specifically the end of tempting mortals to do depraved acts. A succubus may be lustful, but most of it's just an act to get easily manipulated mortals to serve them so she can gain sustenance from them and lead their souls to the Abyss for their demonic master. A Calistrian on the negative side of morality may do it to get back at someone or to blackmail them, though honestly that makes them a lot like succubi, though that probably means they're more in tune with Nocticula than Calistria, if their souls are evil enough to merit the Abyss rather than going to her, and thus they're pretty much succubi in training anyway.
Mr. James Jacobs,
I was hoping for your thought on something. I have a aberrant-esque CG demigod shaping up. His portfolio will contain Darkness, Retribution, and endurance. You might remember my previous posts to you about him.
My question is about his domains. Chaos, Good, and Darkness are a no brainer, but the fourth domain I remain undecided on. In your estimation which would fir better: the Strength domain or the Protection domain? Although if you have a better idea from the other domains feel free to mention that one. Thank you in advance.
Dear Mr. Jacobs,
as i´m really looking forward to the "Iron Gods"-AP, are there any bits of information you could already spoil about the dominion of the black? Will it receive a support article in the AP?
And, as Jalmeray is part of the Inner Sea region, will the Inner Sea Gods hardcover have some information about the Vudrani pantheon?
Thank´s in advance!
A little question about Shattered Star. In Shards of Sin, we learn that Sheila Heidmarch founded a loyal companion and "personal protector" in Thuvia in the person of an awakened mountain gorilla. Can we suppose that she took him with her when she went back to Magnimar (and so the PC could possibly come across him) ?
Out of curiosity - where can I find more info on Lymneris? The Pathfinder Wiki has info somewhere in the vicinity of 'smeg' and 'all'.
2) what did you think of the performance of whoever played Bilbo in The Hobbit?For reference; that's Martin Freeman, aka Dr John Watson, aka Arthur Dent, aka the bloke that treated Manny after he swallowed the Little Book of Calm.
Out of curiosity - where can I find more info on Lymneris? The Pathfinder Wiki has info somewhere in the vicinity of 'smeg' and 'all'.
2) what did you think of the performance of whoever played Bilbo in The Hobbit?For reference; that's Martin Freeman, aka Dr John Watson, aka Arthur Dent, aka the bloke that treated Manny after he swallowed the Little Book of Calm.
thanks! i was too buzzed the other night to remember:) hard root beer hits you pretty hard when you haven't drank alcohol in over 3 years:)