Was the thread deleted?
(Edited, corrected)
Smurrrrrf?
It's about freaking time. I miss me some Necromancer product, dagnabbit!
Edit: This does mean some new product eventually, right?
You did see where he brought up the Tome of Horrors: Pf ed again recently?
Was the thread deleted?No, it's still there.
Isn't that a much older thread? I see a date of 7 Oct 2008 for that thread's closing.
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Isn't that a much older thread? I see a date of 7 Oct 2008 for that thread's closing.Was the thread deleted?No, it's still there.
Sorry, it was a joke. Basically, the last time someone cross-posted that 4E "isn't D&D" for Clark Peterson, Enworld had a brilliant discussion going for 20 pages. But when you factor in Pathfinder, it needs to get closed on page 2. Aha.
Isn't that a much older thread? I see a date of 7 Oct 2008 for that thread's closing.Was the thread deleted?No, it's still there.
This is the thread from today.
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Well, that's impeccable taste right there, picking a Mona module. Not that Paizo has produced many. If you got any leverage on your "pal", I'd ask you to get him boozed up in a lonely bar and then have him sign a contract to do at least one module a year. Would you be kind enough to do that? For an old fan?...And I am going to run the Legacy of Fire Adventure Path (updated to Pathfinder) from Paizo and with a first adventure by my pal Erik Mona.
Clark
+1 !!!!
Please, please, leverage Erik if at all possible into writing another Pathfinder module some time soon. We need more pugwampis in cactus patches... And further well thought through adventures, too.
Congrats on making the switch, my polyhedron loving brother! Don't know you from Adam, but glad to have another convert in the fold. :)
So if Clark is going to run Legacy of Fire, is there any chance of seeing the City of Brass in print again? I'd love to see what he does with that, and highly encourage him to keep us updated on his campaign by posting notes in the Campaign Journals forum.
Erik's next adventure for y'all.Well, that's impeccable taste right there, picking a Mona module. Not that Paizo has produced many. If you got any leverage on your "pal", I'd ask you to get him boozed up in a lonely bar and then have him sign a contract to do at least one module a year. Would you be kind enough to do that? For an old fan?...And I am going to run the Legacy of Fire Adventure Path (updated to Pathfinder) from Paizo and with a first adventure by my pal Erik Mona.
Clark
+1 !!!!
Please, please, leverage Erik if at all possible into writing another Pathfinder module some time soon. We need more pugwampis in cactus patches... And further well thought through adventures, too.
Next, on people who don't suck...
Thanks for the update, Vic.
This is the thread from today.Isn't that a much older thread? I see a date of 7 Oct 2008 for that thread's closing.Was the thread deleted?No, it's still there.
Thanks, Woflthulhu. Now I'm all stocked back up on schadenfreude.
I've converted most of the NPCs in the first two adventures to PFRPG, if anyone wants them.
w33w33@aol.com if you are willing to share.
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Erik's next adventure for y'all.Aaargh! It's pdf only, and a short PFS module.
Oh, wait, it's a PFS module.
Makes note. Emails senior organisers.
Oh, but it's *not* a short PFS module. It's actually our first *double-length* Pathfinder Society Scenario, so it'll be pretty nearly the same size as a full-on Pathfinder Module.
How does that work? Will it still fit into a four-five hour slot?
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Oh, but it's *not* a short PFS module. It's actually our first *double-length* Pathfinder Society Scenario, so it'll be pretty nearly the same size as a full-on Pathfinder Module.Erik's next adventure for y'all.Aaargh! It's pdf only, and a short PFS module.
Oh, wait, it's a PFS module.
Makes note. Emails senior organisers.
Wow, that's great news! So you finally decided to chain Erik to a desk and make him write more adventures? Since he can be a slippery guy, I know some good soul... er, binding spells, if you're interested?
TOME
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HORRORS
TOME
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HORRORS
I, II, and III !!!
There !!! I fixed it for you.
How does that work? Will it still fit into a four-five hour slot?It's designed to be played over two slots.
That's interesting. Can't wait to get there.
They've already locked the thread.
Apparently it's fine to say that 4E is the real D&D on ENWorld, but if you make that claim about Pathfinder they shut down your thread ;-)
That was just good sense on PirateCat's part to lock it. It was needlessly provocative and would just stir sh** up that needs not be stirred.
There are nasty forums out there where the word 'Pathfinder' is an invitation for vitriol and high dudgeon, but ENWorld remains a good place to visit, even having its own Pathfinder sub-section on the forums.
And, 4E *is* the 'real D&D.' So saith Hasbro, and since they own it, that's their right. There's nothing wrong with saying it, since it's the truth. I'll play Pathfinder anyway, and calling it 'the spiritual successor to D&D' or whatever is just provoking people who desperately want excuses to be provoked. Best to leave them be.
The Editions Wars are over. Both sides won. They got what they wanted, we got what we wanted. Beer and pie for everyone!
This is the best post in this thread.
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Well, that's impeccable taste right there, picking a Mona module. Not that Paizo has produced many. If you got any leverage on your "pal", I'd ask you to get him boozed up in a lonely bar and then have him sign a contract to do at least one module a year. Would you be kind enough to do that? For an old fan?
PS. A a pure aside, why did you update to Pathfinder from 3.5? Just wondering, because you obviously thought it's worth the effort to do the conversion work for Legacy of Fire, when you could have run the modules off the pages.
Thanks, Windjammer!
I'm currently working on a 12th-level 2-round Pathfinder Society Scenario entitled "REQUIEM FOR THE RED RAVEN." It's a PDF and not a printed module, and it's an organized play adventure rather than an AP installment, but I've playtested it and it's pretty awesome.
People who have enjoyed my previous adventures will surely get a kick out of it.
What they are unlikely to get, however, is the scenario on time, since it "comes out" in two weeks and I am still working on it.
I've been taking home chapters of the GameMastery Guide for weeks on end, and it hasn't left me much time for writing, alas.
But I am working on it, and it will be finished soon.
After that I will probably finish the outline for a novel I've been working on, write up the Nex and Galt (I think) chapter of the revised Campaign Setting, and then perhaps play some of the new Dragon Age expansion.
After THAT, I may write another adventure! :)
Glad to see they're appreciated. They are NOT easy to do, that's for sure! :)
That's right.
I am swearing off 4E. You heard it first here.
I'm about to start up a new RPG campaign and you want to know what I am playing? What Clark Peterson the President of Necromancer Games is playing? PATHFINDER.
Why? Because Pathfinder is D&D--its the D&D that I love.
Now don't get me wrong. There are lots of things I like about 4E. But when push comes to shove and I have to choose a rules system to use for my home game its Pathfinder. 4E may work for you, I am not criticizing. But for me, its Pathfinder.
And I am going to run the Legacy of Fire Adventure Path (updated to Pathfinder) from Paizo and with a first adventure by my pal Erik Mona.
Clark
I choose this one.
Well, that's impeccable taste right there, picking a Mona module. Not that Paizo has produced many. If you got any leverage on your "pal", I'd ask you to get him boozed up in a lonely bar and then have him sign a contract to do at least one module a year. Would you be kind enough to do that? For an old fan?
PS. A a pure aside, why did you update to Pathfinder from 3.5? Just wondering, because you obviously thought it's worth the effort to do the conversion work for Legacy of Fire, when you could have run the modules off the pages.
Thanks, Windjammer!
I'm currently working on a 12th-level 2-round Pathfinder Society Scenario entitled "REQUIEM FOR THE RED RAVEN." It's a PDF and not a printed module, and it's an organized play adventure rather than an AP installment, but I've playtested it and it's pretty awesome.
People who have enjoyed my previous adventures will surely get a kick out of it.
What they are unlikely to get, however, is the scenario on time, since it "comes out" in two weeks and I am still working on it.
I've been taking home chapters of the GameMastery Guide for weeks on end, and it hasn't left me much time for writing, alas.
But I am working on it, and it will be finished soon.
After that I will probably finish the outline for a novel I've been working on, write up the Nex and Galt (I think) chapter of the revised Campaign Setting, and then perhaps play some of the new Dragon Age expansion.
After THAT, I may write another adventure! :)
Glad to see they're appreciated. They are NOT easy to do, that's for sure! :)
This one gets my vote. :)
I dunno. That Mona character is too much of a glory hog. He has his own thread for that, and STILL he's not satisfied.
All hail Lord Orcus..truely the unbelievers will be smitten.
Seriously Clark welcome to the fold at long last and PF Tome of Horrors goes top off my wish list
I went through the same thing. I was pro-4E before it came out, and I gave it a shot, but it just didn't do it for me.
Is it a good game. Yes.
Does it feel like D&D? Not to me.
It is interesting to see respected designers and publishers that feel the same way.
As for Enworld...used to be such a great site...not so much anymore. Too much vitriol and hate on ANY topic. It comes across as militantly pro-4E, but I think its more pro-WOTC.
Oh well, life goes on, D&D lives, and the internet is a big place.
I believe this is part one off four.
Wow some people are pig headed.
Clark, I'm happy you like Pathfinder, I do too. I want to voice a personal note of gratitude for some of the projects you've supported. I appreciate your taste and echo it here.
I hope everyone gets the chance to publicly say things like "this is D&D" or 'I really like this'. I don't care what your name is, post on the board like the rest of us. Those who got their nose out of joint or attribute some sort of arrogance to this really need to think about their logic.
Pathfinder really needs another deep setting or some love for Pathfinder Modern or,,, or,,,
I started off saying I like your taste and now I'm parading my taste... Ah well this is an open thread.
Glad you're happy. Thanks for some great products.
Sigurd
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How does that work? Will it still fit into a four-five hour slot?It's designed to be played over two slots.So since it's part one of two, (assuming part II is also the same length) that's four slots total?
The outline I got when I started work on Part II was a four-part arc. My understanding is that Tier 12 arcs will be four parts and come out over the course of an entire season.
As for the length of my scenario, it's designed for a regular 4-5 hour time slot.
I hope everyone gets the chance to publicly say things like "this is D&D" or 'I really like this'. I don't care what your name is, post on the board like the rest of us. Those who got their nose out of joint or attribute some sort of arrogance to this really need to think about their logic.
I know it is just me, but it always seems strange to me when someone calls a non-D&D fantasy role playing game, D&D. It is like proudly displaying a can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is Coke!" Huh?
Why not just be more generic? Instead of saying PF is D&D to you, why not say, PF is what fantasy roleplaying really is to you? To use my soda analogy, it is like holding up your can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is a Cola!" D&D is a brand, fantasy roleplaying is a genre. Isn't it more preferable for PF fans not to continuously refer to it as "real D&D" and instead as "I'm Pathfinder Biatches!" (in the voice of Dave Chapelle playing Rick James)
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I know it is just me, but it always seems strange to me when someone calls a non-D&D fantasy role playing game, D&D. It is like proudly displaying a can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is Coke!" Huh?
Why not just be more generic? Instead of saying PF is D&D to you, why not say, PF is what fantasy roleplaying really is to you? To use my soda analogy, it is like holding up your can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is a Cola!" D&D is a brand, fantasy roleplaying is a genre. Isn't it more preferable for PF fans not to continuously refer to it as "real D&D" and instead as "I'm Pathfinder Biatches!" (in the voice of Dave Chapelle playing Rick James)
Well... Pepsi doesn't dominate the cola brand as much as D&D dominates the RPG brand. A better analogy would be:
Calling a facial tissue a Kleenex.
Calling a cotton swab a Q-Tip.
Calling an adhesive bandage a Band-Aid.
Yes, Pathfinder is Pathfinder. I agree. And I sure don't want to slow down some serious Paizo brand identity. :) I was just saying that in my view, Pathfinder is what D&D 3.5 should have become. Its like "mw 3.5" :)
It's 3.5, just crafted by true masters. Since 3.5 was D&D well that means...you know what I am saying.
Plus, in my view, Paizo are the actual caretakers of D&D. WotC dropped the ball. Yes, I know they (WotC) own the rights and can do what they want and whatever they make must by default be D&D because they are WotC, yada yada yada. But who is kidding who, it isnt. Pathfinder is. When Linae left a bit of the spirit of the OGL community got pushed out. Then when Scott Rouse was "allowed to leave amicably" (nice Dilbert speak) basically anyone I had any interest in dealing with was gone and anyone who, in my view, had any clue about the direction "their" game should take and who had any clue about the open game movement and its value to the resuscitation of D&D left and all we had left were the Hasbro bean counters. And it makes me sad. You all know how hard I tried to love and embrace 4E.
Erik, Lisa, James, et al., have the expertise and the passion and have inherited the soul of D&D and from that they crafted Pathfinder.
That said, play what you enjoy and you don't need me to tell you what is what. These are just my thoughts and I am no more important than anyone else.
Look, I'm not trying to rehash edition wars. Play what you want. I'm just letting the Paizo peeps know that in my home campaign, I am playing Pathfinder. If you dig that, cool. If not, enjoy whatever you are playing. Thanks for the kind words. Now back to your regularly scheduled PC deaths...
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There !!! I fixed it for you.TOME
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I, II, and III !!!
While I would probably succumb to temptation if I, II, and III were Pathfinder-ized, I'd rather see Tome of Horrors IV (PFRPG). After all, I can change a few skill names and calculate CMB/CMD on the fly. But a whole new book of hundreds of monsters...that is ALWAYS a welcome resource.
I know it is just me, but it always seems strange to me when someone calls a non-D&D fantasy role playing game, D&D. It is like proudly displaying a can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is Coke!" Huh?
Seconded. I think that it's a bit diminishing the hard work that the team at Paizo put into creating the Pathfinder RPG to call it by any other name. I no longer play D&D (well, occassionally I break out the 2nd edition books or the Rules Cyclopedia). I play Pathfinder.
You all know how hard I tried to love and embrace 4E.
No argument there. ;)
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I know it is just me, but it always seems strange to me when someone calls a non-D&D fantasy role playing game, D&D. It is like proudly displaying a can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is Coke!" Huh?
Why not just be more generic? Instead of saying PF is D&D to you, why not say, PF is what fantasy roleplaying really is to you? To use my soda analogy, it is like holding up your can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is a Cola!" D&D is a brand, fantasy roleplaying is a genre. Isn't it more preferable for PF fans not to continuously refer to it as "real D&D" and instead as "I'm Pathfinder Biatches!" (in the voice of Dave Chapelle playing Rick James)
Well... Pepsi doesn't dominate the cola brand as much as D&D dominates the RPG brand. A better analogy would be:
Calling a facial tissue a Kleenex.
Calling a cotton swab a Q-Tip.
Calling an adhesive bandage a Band-Aid.
Or if you've spent time in certain parts of the country then there really is such a thing as Pepsi Coke!
Server: "What would you like to drink?"
Me: "I'll have a Coke"
Server: "Would that be a Pepsi Coke, Diet Pepsi Coke, or a Sprite Coke?"
I know it is just me, but it always seems strange to me when someone calls a non-D&D fantasy role playing game, D&D. It is like proudly displaying a can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is Coke!" Huh?
Why not just be more generic? Instead of saying PF is D&D to you, why not say, PF is what fantasy roleplaying really is to you? To use my soda analogy, it is like holding up your can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is a Cola!" D&D is a brand, fantasy roleplaying is a genre. Isn't it more preferable for PF fans not to continuously refer to it as "real D&D" and instead as "I'm Pathfinder Biatches!" (in the voice of Dave Chapelle playing Rick James)
Well... Pepsi doesn't dominate the cola brand as much as D&D dominates the RPG brand. A better analogy would be:
Calling a facial tissue a Kleenex.
Calling a cotton swab a Q-Tip.
Calling an adhesive bandage a Band-Aid.
The power of the coveted Master Brand name. The marketer's holy grail. :)
I know it is just me, but it always seems strange to me when someone calls a non-D&D fantasy role playing game, D&D. It is like proudly displaying a can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is Coke!" Huh?
Why not just be more generic? Instead of saying PF is D&D to you, why not say, PF is what fantasy roleplaying really is to you? To use my soda analogy, it is like holding up your can of Pepsi and saying, "Now THAT is a Cola!" D&D is a brand, fantasy roleplaying is a genre. Isn't it more preferable for PF fans not to continuously refer to it as "real D&D" and instead as "I'm Pathfinder Biatches!" (in the voice of Dave Chapelle playing Rick James)
Well... Pepsi doesn't dominate the cola brand as much as D&D dominates the RPG brand. A better analogy would be:
Calling a facial tissue a Kleenex.
Calling a cotton swab a Q-Tip.
Calling an adhesive bandage a Band-Aid.
Or if you've spent time in certain parts of the country then there really is such a thing as Pepsi Coke!
Server: "What would you like to drink?"
Me: "I'll have a Coke"
Server: "Would that be a Pepsi Coke, Diet Pepsi Coke, or a Sprite Coke?"
Yeah, I think James was a little confused. I wasn't comparing D&D to Pepsi, but instead to Coke. Which you have demonstrated is on the scale (in terms of market share and identification), or rather at one time was, as things such as Kleenex, Q-Tips, and Band-aids, as evidence by your comment.
But Pepsi has actually wittled that share down, gaining more themselves, and not by calling themselves "the other Coke". Generally, I believe, it is bad marketing to reference your competitor when describing your own product, even if that is done just in non-official marketing means (messageboards and such).
Anyway, as I said, I'm sure I'm the only one that finds this strange (well me and Kthulhu evidently).
Its like "mw 3.5" :)
I wish someone had thought of that phrase a year ago....