I've been devoting my time to Star Wars lately, but I am returning to this project soon.
What do you think of Gunslingers? Can they fit into a Norse campaign somehow?
Heck. The name for films based on Icelandic sagas? Herring westerns. That answer enough? ;)
This is awesome. Really quite impressive.
Hmm, now i want to run a Norse one-shot.
(like Odin's spear)
Right, Gugnnir i think was the name. Shouldn´t his favoured weapon be a spear, rather than a short-spear?
I made some adapting/converting too, in some cases different from yours, in some other rather similar.
Odin/Wotan is TN for me, for all the said reasons...
Favored weapon: spear
Domains: Knowledge, Magic, Repose, Runes, Travel
Subdomains: Ancestors, Language, Memory, Souls, Thought, Trade (Memory and Thought are actually the names of his two pet ravens, which I think could be made into heralds with inquisitor powers and the relative subdomains)
Druidic Domains: Wolf and possibly Bear and Raven (those were his sacred animals, and the ones in which his berzerkir could transform; I created myself a Raven Domain, if you want to see it)
Inquisitions: Anger, Conversion, Fate, Heresy, Valor (he's the brave warriors patron, but also the berzerkir patron)
Mysteries: Ancestors, Battle, Bones, Lore (Battle Oracles of Wotan are of course the Valkyries)
Alternate Channeling: Ale/Wine, Battle/Fury, Bravery/Valor, Contracts/Oaths, death, Destruction, Fate, Knowledge, Magic, Secrets, Sovranity, Strenght, Weapons
Clergy: clerics, oracles, inquisitors, druids (only shamans), wizards, sorcerers, magi, bards, barbarians, fighters
Spells: Rage (his clerics, oracles, inquisitors, wizards, sorcerers and druids can cast it as a 2nd level spell; bards and magi can cast it as a 1st level spell).
There are some other gods' conversions like this in my papers... should I show them?
One way out of defining one alignment for a god is to allow the worshippers to focus on particular aspects of the god to worship. Thus for a god like Odin, the berserkers and knowledge seekers can worship different aspects with different alignments of the one Odin. Everyone's happy - until they start arguing which is the "one true way". Scisms can be a great source of adventure ideas.
+1 to this.
Fricka (LG)
Favored weapon: club
Domains: Air, Community, Good, Law, Protection
Subdomains: Archon, Clouds, Defense, Family, Home, Purity
Druidic Domains: Eagle (because she could become a falcon with her magic mantle)
Inquisitions: Conversion, Imprisonment
Mysteries: Ancestors, Battle, Life, Wind (she was also a patroness of female warriors)
Witch Patron: Wisdom
Paladin Oaths: Against Corruption, Against Fiends, Against Savagery, Against Undead, Charity, Loyalty
Alternative Channeling: Air/Sky/Wind, Contracts/Oaths, Protection
Clergy: clerics, druids, inquisitors, diviners, witches, paladins (all women)
Spells: Magic Circle against Evil (all the clergy members can cast it as a 2nd-level spell)
This is my own Thor version (nobody told me what do you think yet):
Thor (CG)
Favored Weapon: warhammer
Domains: Chaos, Destruction, Good, Strenght, Weather
Subdomains: Azata, Catastrophe, Ferocity, Rage, Resolution, Storms
Druidical Domains: None
Inquisitions: Anger, Conversion, Fervor, Vengeance
Mysteries: Battle, Wind
Witch Patron: None
Alternative Channeling: Battle/Wrath, Bravery/Valor, Destruction, Strenght, Weapons, Weather
Clergy: clerics, oracles, druids (very few, Storm Druid archetype), inquisitors, fighters, barbarians (all men).
Spells: Call lightning (his clerics, oracles, druids and inquisitors can cast it as a 2nd-level spell)
Baldur (NG)
Favored Weapon: dart (the one which killed him)
Domains: Charm, Glory, Good, Repose, Sun
Subdomains: Agathion, Day, Heroism, Honor, Light, Love
Druidic Domains: None
Inquisitions: Conversion, Illumination, Oblivion, Valor
Mysteries: Battle, Life
Witches Patron: None
Paladin Oaths: Against Corruption, Against Fiends, Against Undead, Charity, Chastity, Loyalty
Alternative Channeling: Beauty/Love, Bravery/Valor, Death
Clergy: clerics, inquisitors, oracles, paladins, cavaliers, bards
Spells: Blessing of courage and life (his clerics, oracles and paladins can cast it as a 1st- level spell; inquisitors and bards can cast it as a 2nd-level spell).
I was looking for this free suppliment all morning to no avail.
Does anyone else have this to contribute?
A quick googling later: D20 Bastion Press The Lore Of The Gods 2 Asgardians.pdf
EDIT: Looks like this is only a preview... Sorry.
Here's a couple things I have questions on or would add:
1) You might want to replace the Ethereal plane with the Elemental Plane of Wood. I was trying to create my own variant on Norse mythology and thought that it would make sense if the Wood Elemental plane was used to travel between worlds, given that the setting *is* on a tree. Of course, rainbows or a Radiance-related plane could be used to gain access to the upper planes while dark wells or the plane of Shadows could be used to gain access to the lower planes.
2) I'm not sure the outer planes can really be used well here. Odin and Freyja each got half the warriors who fell in battle (Freyja got first dibs) and as far as I know, the alignment of the fallen warrior didn't matter (plus the warriors Odin got would hack one another to pieces by day, get healed and restored at night, feast, and do it all over again). Those who died of sickness or old age or similar ended up with Hel. Those who drowned ended up with Ran.
3) The elemental planes are hard to justify here, only Muspellheim and Niflheim are really mentioned. Everthing else comes from Ymir's body.
4) There's not always a great deal of difference between Nidavellir and Svartalfheim, just as there's not generally a great deal of difference between Dark Elves and Dwarves. From what I've read there's not always a great deal of difference between Dwarves and Trolls (or Trolls and Giants). What races do you plan to have here?
And this is my Freya
Freya (CN)
Favored Weapon: dagger
Domains: Charm, Chaos, Luck, Magic, War (she had half the einheriar for herself)
Subdomains: Arcane, Azata, Curse, Fate, Love, Lust
Druidic Domains: Eagle (she could become a falcon at will too)
Inquisitions: Conversion, Fate, Fervor, Inprisonment
Mysteries: Battle, Lore
Witch Patron: Enchantment, Portents
Alternative Channeling: Beauty/Love/Lust, Magic, Secrets, Trickery
Clergy: clerics, druids (mooncaller), oracles, inquisitors, bards, witches, sorcerers, wizards (all women)
Spells: charm monsters (all her clergywomen can cast it as a 3rd-level spell)
Loki (CM)
Favored Weapon: spear
Domains: Chaos, Evil, Madness, Magic, Trickery
Subdomains: Arcane, Deception, Demon, Insanity, Protean, Thievery
Druidic Domains: Serpent, Wolf
Inquisitions: Conversion, Heresy, Oblivion, Tactics, Torture, Vengeance
Mysteries: Dark Tapestry, Flame
Witch Patron: Deception, Insanity. Trickery, Transformation, Vengeance
Alternative Channeling: Envy, Fire, Magic, Revenge/Vengeance, Secrets, Strategy, Trickery
Clergy: clerics, inquisitors, druids (shamans, few), oracles, transmuters, illusionists, witches, sorcerers, magi, thieves
Spells: Alter self (all his priests can cast it as a 1st-level spell)
Freyr (NB)
Favored Weapon: longsword
Domains: Animal, Good, Plant, Sun, Weather
Subdomains: Agathion, Azata, Day, Fur, Growth, Seasons
Druidic Domains: Plains
Inquisitions: Conversion, Fervor, Illumination
Mysteries: Life, Nature
Paladin Oath: None
Witch Patron: Agility, Animals, Healing, Light
Alternative Channeling: Beauty/Love/Lust, Farming, Nature, Self-Perfection, Sun, Weather
Clergy: clerics, druids, inquisitors, oracles, cavaliers, rangers, wizards, witches
Spells: Plant growth (every member of the clergy can cast it as a 2nd-level spell)
And that's all the gods I converted to this day.
When Norse mythology is complete, I'm planning on doing a Native American version.
I would love to see what you have for that. Its kind of hard to make a pantheon for Native American beliefs. We really didn't have gods per say, except for the Great Creator i guess. We payed homage to the spirits that doweled within the animals, plants, sun, moon, elements, etc, etc. There were a few Named spirits...like Iktomi- the spider spirit of knowledge, pranks, and art (I guess you could say art, he was the leading factor of the dream catcher).
When Norse mythology is complete, I'm planning on doing a Native American version.I would love to see what you have for that. Its kind of hard to make a pantheon for Native American beliefs. We really didn't have gods per say, except for the Great Creator i guess. We payed homage to the spirits that doweled within the animals, plants, sun, moon, elements, etc, etc. There were a few Named spirits...like Iktomi- the spider spirit of knowledge, pranks, and art (I guess you could say art, he was the leading factor of the dream catcher).
I think you'd have to break the native American "mythos" up by cultural areas. There might be maybe half a dozen areas covering North America, with some overlap between areas.
I've noticed that many native American tribes don't seem to have a pantheon. While I'm not a Mormon, myself, for one project I was assuming that the Book of Mormon explained this by Judeo-Christian contact with America, and thus many of the American tribes were worshiping the same god as the Jews, Christians, and Muslims, but in different ways. Then I went on to tie in the Greek and Japanese and Norse mythos.
I did recently listen to the _The Teachings of Don Juan_ audiobook, and have decided that the Yaqui Indians have some very interesting ideas I plan to incorporate into my next RPG project. And, of course, the Mesoamericans have a well-defined pantheon. And some of the spirits I've read about, such as Raven and Coyote, might be considered powerful enough to be gods in at least some senses.
Yeah it would help to break it down by different cultural areas. But, keep in mind that when a lot of the different Nations were moved to the Midwest, a lot of the lore was combined.
Freyr (NB)
NB? CM? What alignments are those?
When Norse mythology is complete, I'm planning on doing a Native American version.I would love to see what you have for that. Its kind of hard to make a pantheon for Native American beliefs.
There really isn't anything that could be considered a pantheon. Maybe a few beliefs common amongst most tribes, but nothing necessarily constituting a definable pantheon or even a god.
Egyptian, Greek/Roman, Inca, Aztec, Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Hindu, and other religions with actual pantheons should be exhausted first.
I made some adapting/converting too, in some cases different from yours, in some other rather similar.
Odin/Wotan is TN for me, for all the said reasons...
He's the original Santa Claus! He has to be good. :)
When Norse mythology is complete, I'm planning on doing a Native American version.I would love to see what you have for that. Its kind of hard to make a pantheon for Native American beliefs.There really isn't anything that could be considered a pantheon. Maybe a few beliefs common amongst most tribes, but nothing necessarily constituting a definable pantheon or even a god.
Egyptian, Greek/Roman, Inca, Aztec, Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Hindu, and other religions with actual pantheons should be exhausted first.
I created a new thread for a Native American Pathfinder Campaign.
When Norse mythology is complete, I'm planning on doing a Native American version.I would love to see what you have for that. Its kind of hard to make a pantheon for Native American beliefs.There really isn't anything that could be considered a pantheon. Maybe a few beliefs common amongst most tribes, but nothing necessarily constituting a definable pantheon or even a god.
Egyptian, Greek/Roman, Inca, Aztec, Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Hindu, and other religions with actual pantheons should be exhausted first.
I created a new thread for a Native American Pathfinder Campaign.
Nice! I'll go check it out.
Here's a couple things I have questions on or would add:
1) You might want to replace the Ethereal plane with the Elemental Plane of Wood.
The goal was to find an easy way to "remap" the standard Pathfinder cosmology to a Norse campaign. Is there a Pathfinder source for the elemental plane of wood I missed?
2) I'm not sure the outer planes can really be used well here. Odin and Freyja each got half the warriors who fell in battle (Freyja got first dibs) and as far as I know, the alignment of the fallen warrior didn't
It doesn't have to be such a strict correspondence. It's more to answer questions like "Where does my Celestial Badger come from?"
3) The elemental planes are hard to justify here, only Muspellheim and Niflheim are really mentioned. Everthing else comes from Ymir's body.
My intention was to have an alternate explanation for references to things like the "Plane of Fire" if that plane doesn't exist in the campaign. That way it's less work on the GM to rename every spell and magic item.
4) There's not always a great deal of difference between Nidavellir and Svartalfheim, just as there's not generally a great deal of difference between Dark Elves and Dwarves. From what I've read there's not always a great deal of difference between Dwarves and Trolls (or Trolls and Giants). What races do you plan to have here?
There's still definitely 9 worlds, though, right?
And yes, I plan on dark elves, dwarves, giants, and trolls being separate. I know their identities are somewhat lumped together in the sagas, but like Tolkien and Gygax found out, it creates more adventure possibilities.
Freyr (NB)NB? CM? What alignments are those?
Oops, my bad. I didn't traslate it. That would be NG and CE.
Oops, my bad. I didn't traslate it. That would be NG and CE.Freyr (NB)NB? CM? What alignments are those?
The followup question: Out of curiosity, what language was it originaly?
Im going to guess one of the latin based languages.
Yes- Italian (Good = Buono, Evil = Malvagio)
Yes- Italian (Good = Buono, Evil = Malvagio)
Bardess,
I have added the stat blocks to the bottom of the document. I don't agree with all of your choices, but I would to use most of them with your permission.
What is the last line: "spells" for? I haven't seen that before.
I'll be very honoured. Go with it. Maybe they'll find a place on the next Wayfinder, too.
As for "spells", in Gods and Magic there was a little text in evert god's section detailing some spells that the priests could use differently or before others, so I added it too. My article (if it will be published) provides more details.
I made two more gods' stats too. Should I show them too?
Hel (NE)
Favorite weapon: longsword
Domains: Darkness, Death, Destruction, Evil, Void
Subdomains: Catastrophe, Daemon, Dark Tapestry, Loss, Murder, Night
Druidic Domains: Caves, Swamp
Inquisitions: Conversion, Imprisonment, Oblivion
Mysteries: Bones, Dark Tapestry, Outer Rifts
Witch Patron: Death, Occult, Plague, Portents, Spirits
Variant Channeling: Darkness, Death, Disease, Pain
Clergy: clerics, druids (devastation), antipaladins, sorcerers, inquisitors, oracles, summoners, witches
Spells: Death knell (all members of the clergy can cast it as a 2nd-level spell)
Tyr (LG)
Favorite Weapon: Longsword
Domains: Glory, Good, Law, Nobility, War
Subdomains: Archon, Blood, Heroism, Honor, Leadership, Martyr
Druidic Domains: Wolf (as he chained the wolf Fenris)
Inquisitions: Conversion, Inprisonment, Justice, Order, Truth, Valor
Mysteries: Battle
Paladin Oaths: Loyalty, Against Savagery
Witch Patron: none
Variant Channeling: Battle/Wrath, Bravery/Valor, Contracts/Oaths, Justice/Law
Spells: Helping hand (because he lost his hand to cheat Fenris; all members of the clergy can cast it as a 3rd-level spell, clerics and oracles cast it as a 2nd-level spell)
Reminds me of the Deities and Demigods book for 3.X. Then again, some of the things in that book made no sense (Hades is NOT evil, damn it!!).
Anyway, these Norse gods are well-written and I hope you don't mind if I use them some day.
I made two more gods' stats too. Should I show them too?
Druidic Domains: Caves, Swamp
Thank you!
Why swamp?
Reminds me of the Deities and Demigods book for 3.X. Then again, some of the things in that book made no sense (Hades is NOT evil, damn it!!).
Anyway, these Norse gods are well-written and I hope you don't mind if I use them some day.
Not at all! That's why it is there.
No way. Definitely Chaotic Neutral. What you seemed to miss is that Odin gets himself in a lot of jams because of his tendency to do everything anything but straightforward. He hires a giant to repair Asgard's walls but instead of paying the man he offers Sif as a bride. Stuck in a bind
In the story I read, he only promised that because he didn't think he would have to deliver. When he realized he would have to lose his daughter-in-law, he swallowed some pride and begged Loki for help.
I would not call it as evidence of non-good behavior--just not lawful.
For me it's a choice between NG or CG.
Loki is not evil. He's pragmatic to a fault and devoid of a code of honor, but he's not evil.
I agree he starts off more morally neutral. Like CN.
However, he starts to slowly become evil. By the time of Ragnarok he is plotting to kill Balder and seems to be interested in causing pain and destruction. I say that is evil.
And Odin would rather survive than make the sacrifice, destroy all evil, and hand paradise to his grandchildren, acting chaotic to prevent the Fates plan from bringing Ragnarok.So, is this Lawful or good?
The question is would the ends justify the means? Should he serve the greater good? It wouldn't be just him that dies at Raganarok but a lot of the gods and the mortals on midgard too.
I made two more gods' stats too. Should I show them too?
Druidic Domains: Caves, Swamp
Thank you!
Why swamp?
Swamp because I think to Hel's realm as an enormous, dull swamp...
I agree on Loki being initially CN but as the Ragnarok motor and Balder's killer he's definitely CE.And Odin's always TN for me, he can't be other.
He actually kills Balder and, in doing so, teaches the gods a much-needed lesson in humiliy, but it is the giantess who prevents Balder from being rezzed.
In the version I read, the giantess was Loki in disguise. Killing people just to prove a point is evil.
I put a note that Loki begins as CN but becomes CE by Ragnarok.
Swamp because I think to Hel's realm as an enormous, dull swamp...
I thought it was a frozen wasteland?
And Odin's always TN for me, he can't be other.
Would a TN person go out of his way to help people? Or give presents to kids? Its things like these that leave me with a "good" vibe after reading his stories.
http://www.widdershins.org/vol11iss4/01.htm
I disagree with his Nietzsche-based arguments and conclusions.
Interesting reading though.
I forget which of the nordic nations it was, but for one of them didn't one of the kings use catholicism to consolidate his rule?I want to avoid Christianity in the campaign if I can.
For right now, I made the Norse equivalent of Inquisitor an adventuring "lovisegemann" or "law-reader man". This was an official who would read the law at trial things. In reality, his responsibilities ended there, but in a fantasy world, they can be vigilantes bringing law to the outlaws!
Yes, I know its a stretch, but its only think I came up with so far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_law
Lawspeaker, Lagman. Pick your choice of either of those adeptly norse themed names. (Just remember they would be most likely be followers of Tyr) :)Inquisitor is out because heresy wasn't a big of a deal to them as it was for Christianity.