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One quick question. When hasted and 2-weapon fighting, in a full attack do you gain one adittional attack with each weapon or only with the main hand?
When making a full attack action, a hasted creature may make one extra attack with any weapon he is holding.
I'd go with just the main hand, but wanted to make sure...
If you had 2 weapons with the 'speed' property you would have one extra attack with each, wouldn't you? what about haste and a 'speed' weapon in the off-hand? :-m
Only one of the weapons.
raw even two speed weapons shouldn't work, you could choose which weapon to use for the extra attack though.
The wording says that you may make "one" extra attack with "any" weapon you are holding. Had it said "each weapon" then TWFers would get a pair of attacks.
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raw even two speed weapons shouldn't work, you could choose which weapon to use for the extra attack though.
Where's that info about RAW from?
I think two weapons of speed should definitely work with one extra attack each, as well as two keen (simmilar description about stacking) weapons with extra critical range each:
(This benefit is not cumulative with similar effects, such as a haste spell.)
This benefit doesn't stack with any other effect that expands the threat range of a weapon (such as the keen edge spell or the Improved Critical feat).
By RAW, it seems that two speed weapons would give two extra attacks on a full attack.
Speed: When making a full-attack action, the wielder of a speed weapon may make one extra attack with it. The attack uses the wielder's full base attack bonus, plus any modifiers appropriate to the situation. (This benefit is not cumulative with similar effects, such as a haste spell.)
Had it said that the "wielder of a speed weapon may make one extra attack" during a full attack and had not included the "with it" portion, I would argue that it was just a single extra attack, regardless of the number of speed weapons used.
As a +3 enhancement, I don't think it's unreasonable to let the wielder get an extra attack with each.
By RAW, it seems that two speed weapons would give two extra attacks on a full attack.
Speed: When making a full-attack action, the wielder of a speed weapon may make one extra attack with it. The attack uses the wielder's full base attack bonus, plus any modifiers appropriate to the situation. (This benefit is not cumulative with similar effects, such as a haste spell.)Had it said that the "wielder of a speed weapon may make one extra attack" during a full attack and had not included the "with it" portion, I would argue that it was just a single extra attack, regardless of the number of speed weapons used.
As a +3 enhancement, I don't think it's unreasonable to let the wielder get an extra attack with each.
The part that says "This benefit is not cumulative with similar effects" is what prevents 2 speed weapons from giving 2 extra attacks, as I interpret it. I could be wrong.
I would too, except that the wording of speed indicates that it is the weapon, not the target, that is sped up. If you have a speed weapon and are hasted, they would not stack, as the speed weapon would be making two extra attacks. However, it seems that it could be argued that a hasted TWFer with one speed weapon and one non-speed weapon would get two extra attacks, as the non-speed weapon would make the extra attack from haste and the speed weapon would make an extra attack from its property.
That's not how I would rule things in my game, but I can see a RAW argument for it.
I think the 'with it' component means you can't use the Speed property to get an extra attack with the other, presumably more damage-optimized, weapon.
There was a conversation a while back on the same matter. The final consensus was, that you only get one attack while wielding speed weapon or several speed weapons.
I've on the other hand houseruled this, and in my games you get two extra attacks for two speed weapons. Haste still works RAW
supposedly it is fine to go either way, I wouldn't two weapon fighting is good enough as is, though a marilith with 6 speed swords might be nice.
Now thats just plain mean...
Just a $0.02-worth thought: if you use TWF and have a Speed weapon, can you take your extra attack with your other weapon?
If your other weapon is a speed weapon, then yes, or if you're hasted. If your main weapon is a speed weapon and the off-hand weapon isn't, then no.
If two speed weapons could stack, I honestly see no reason why a TWFer wouldn't gain the same benefit from a haste spell. Given that the haste spell is limited in duration and accessibility, I would venture to say that it's fair either way.
On the flip side, I'm also of the opinion that martial characters are far more potent then magic characters. And adding this level of potency to an already heavily martial spell is probably a bad idea.
Speed weapons don't stack.
Haste only gives one extra attack.
Thread is five years old.
This a very old thread. It was already answered in a FAQ.
Speed Weapons: Can I get two extra attacks per round if I dual-wield two speed weapons?
No. The benefits of speed are not cumulative with similar effects, and "a second speed weapon" is a similar effect.
posted June 2013