does an alchemist qualify for brew potion and scribe scroll feats?
My theory is that an alchemist qualifies for Brew Potion since it acts differently than the Infusion discovery at fourth level. For Scribe Scroll, I don't think so. They would only be sharing alchemy recipes for other alchemists to use. I don't think a crafty sorcerer could Use Magic Device his way through the alchemic version of Shield.
I know we're not supposed to think of the Alchemist as a support character like we think of the Cleric or Wizard. Hopefully one of the wonderful Pathfinder dudes will pop in soon to give legal ruling, but there's my two copper for what it's worth.
does an alchemist qualify for brew potion and scribe scroll feats?
I would think so, since the classes forte is the mixing of concoctions!
RAW, maybe. Theoretically, potions would fit under Craft (alchemy) for the purposes of the Master Craftsman feat, meaning an alchemist can grab that at 5th and Brew Potion at 7th.
RAI, I'm guessing yes, especially considering the discoveries that effect potions (further making mutagens useless), but we'll have to wait for a confirm or deny by Jason.
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Master Craftsman only applies to Craft Arms and Armour, and Craft Wonderous Item (P.130)
Note that Craft Wondrous Item does allow them to make elixirs.
I would very much like to see them be able to take Brew Potion, but I'm gonna have to pretty strongly say "no" to the idea of Scribe Scroll. Given that they are explicitly barred from using spell-completion items without UMD, I can't see them getting Scribe Scroll in any way, shape or form.
Alchemists don't have a caster level.
And if that's not enough they don't have spells at all. And potions rely on spells, not formulae.
since they can't cast spells, what's the point of giving them brew potion, you can't make potions out of effusions by RAW.
You don't need to. The new creation rules allow you to bypass prerequisites with a higher check, and potions can be brewed using the Craft (Alchemy) skill. If the alchemist can get Brew Potion, it can make any potion it wants to.
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Alchemists don't have a caster level.And if that's not enough they don't have spells at all. And potions rely on spells, not formulae.
The distinction is exceedingly fine, however. Note that, as it stands, alchemists can use wands of anything that is on their formulae list, even if they can't use scrolls of the same.
Yea, an Alchemist that can't get Brew Potions seems kinda wrong. I'd give it to him and allow potions to be made from any formulae known.
Alchemists don't have a caster level.
Sure they do. Where does it say they don't?
By RAW Caster Level is equal to the class level of they are using to cast the spell. The difference here is that alchemists get formulas which are like spells as per the Alchemy description. So like spell caster level is equal to the character level in the class. Other wise how do you determine duration and such?
Now formulas being like spells doesn't mean you can actually cast spells so by RAW I'd have to say you don't qualify for the Brew Potion Feat. Seems kind of silly but I'd suggest that the Alchemist get the Brew Potion and bonus feat using their formulas and more expensive components to brew potions.
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Hey there folks,
I have heard a lot of folks wondering why the alchemist does not have Brew Potion. We did not include this initially due to the different way that extracts and formulae work. That said, there are some pretty simple work-arounds here to fix this issue and I am considering a number of them. It does seem a bit odd to me thematically that the class does not have this ability.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
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Hey there folks,
I have heard a lot of folks wondering why the alchemist does not have Brew Potion. We did not include this initially due to the different way that extracts and formulae work. That said, there are some pretty simple work-arounds here to fix this issue and I am considering a number of them. It does seem a bit odd to me thematically that the class does not have this ability.
Jason Bulmahn
Lead Designer
Paizo Publishing
Dropping in a simple like like "The alchemist counts as a spontaneious arcane spellcaster for the purpose of qualifying for feats and prestige classes." would fix that without giving away free feats.
I do not think I would go that broad. That I think opens the door to much.
I do not think I would go that broad. That I think opens the door to much.
I agree. I could honestly see just giving Brew Potion for free. With the rule for bypassing prerequisites other than feats, the alchemist could very easily make use of the feat (especially with his bonus to Craft (Alchemy)).
I do not think I would go that broad. That I think opens the door to much.I agree. I could honestly see just giving Brew Potion for free. With the rule for bypassing prerequisites other than feats, the alchemist could very easily make use of the feat (especially with his bonus to Craft (Alchemy)).
I agree here. I would count is extract level as his caster level and allow him to brew any off his list he knew. Maybe any off his list just make it harder for ones he does not know, higher DC and all
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scribe scroll as well, since alchemists can use scrolls created by other classes already. a written formula, completed aloud, works the same as one of their infusions, and casting scrolls of cure light wounds is one of the few ways an alchemist can use one of their extracts on another player without having the Infusion discovery.
I can not get behind scribe scroll as it would be very clunky. They do not cast spells so making a scroll they would have to UMD to activate is kinda wonky. I can see em scribing down formula , but not as a use activated magic item. It just does not fit with "I mix A and B and get X" on the fly. scribe scroll as written just does not seem to mesh