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I am playing a wizard in PFS who just hit second level.
Per the CRB, when a wizard levels up, he can add 2 spells to his spellbook. In normal games, I would come across other spellbooks, scrolls, NPC wizards, etc. that would allow me access to more spells. How does this work with PFS? Do I just get the two spells per level? Why not just be a sorcerer if I am going to be that limited?
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I am playing a wizard in PFS who just hit second level.
Per the CRB, when a wizard levels up, he can add 2 spells to his spellbook. In normal games, I would come across other spellbooks, scrolls, NPC wizards, etc. that would allow me access to more spells. How does this work with PFS? Do I just get the two spells per level? Why not just be a sorcerer if I am going to be that limited?
Hello Trader,
I have a 6th level Wizard. I don't know exactly how many scrolls I've found, but it is probably around a dozen. Some of the scenarios have scrolls...some don't.
I haven't found any spellbooks from NPCs. If you are playing with another wizard I believe you can scribe his spells into your spellbook (after the appropriate check, of course).
Hope that helps.
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I am playing a wizard in PFS who just hit second level.
Per the CRB, when a wizard levels up, he can add 2 spells to his spellbook. In normal games, I would come across other spellbooks, scrolls, NPC wizards, etc. that would allow me access to more spells. How does this work with PFS? Do I just get the two spells per level? Why not just be a sorcerer if I am going to be that limited?
Reading your question i have the Feeling you have some misinterpretation how Simple it is to add spells As wizard in PFS.
After Game One scrolls of Level One are always available. When you get your mission - most of the time in Absolom - ask to buy a few items prior to adventuring. Level one scrolls are 25 gp.
At the end of the game ask in addition to the roll for income to make extra rolls for scribing the spells - this is some extra 10 gp. Voilà - it's that simple.
If you find a scroll you can save the 25 gp - but I don't think that makes a big difference.
For buying level two scrolls you need 4 PA and then it works the same way.
Thod
Off course if it is free spells for the spell book you are after, then your spell book could remain pretty empty for a while.
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I am playing a wizard in PFS who just hit second level.
Per the CRB, when a wizard levels up, he can add 2 spells to his spellbook. In normal games, I would come across other spellbooks, scrolls, NPC wizards, etc. that would allow me access to more spells. How does this work with PFS? Do I just get the two spells per level? Why not just be a sorcerer if I am going to be that limited?
I'd say you just get the two spells per level through study.
Beyond that you will come across scrolls in game and you can always purchase 1st level scrolls and later on, when PA permits, higher level scrolls, as Thod pointed out.
Venture-Captain, Texas—Waco
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I've only come across a spellbook in one scenario, #10, and oddly that scenario had TWO wizards with spellbooks to loot. Unfortunately for wizards everywhere, #10 is now retired. Scenario authors, please start including a few wizards (with spellbooks) here and there among the bad guys!
Half of my wizard's levels have come via GM reward chronicle sheets rather than player chronicle sheets. If I eat a scenario that includes a wizard's spellbook and all the other wizards get a shot a scribing the spells into their spellbooks, does my GM credit include that chance as well? The spellbooks are NOT on the chronicle sheets, and luckily we're past the Season 0 rule that even if you looted a spellbook you had to "buy the scroll" of the spells in the spellbook if you wanted to scribe them into your book.
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I've only come across a spellbook in one scenario, #10, and oddly that scenario had TWO wizards with spellbooks to loot. Unfortunately for wizards everywhere, #10 is now retired. Scenario authors, please start including a few wizards (with spellbooks) here and there among the bad guys!
Half of my wizard's levels have come via GM reward chronicle sheets rather than player chronicle sheets. If I eat a scenario that includes a wizard's spellbook and all the other wizards get a shot a scribing the spells into their spellbooks, does my GM credit include that chance as well? The spellbooks are NOT on the chronicle sheets, and luckily we're past the Season 0 rule that even if you looted a spellbook you had to "buy the scroll" of the spells in the spellbook if you wanted to scribe them into your book.
As stated previously there are not spellbooks on the Chronicles, they are broken down into scrolls. In #10 there are a very large number of scrolls on the Chronicle.
I would assume that 'free scroll access' would fall under the 'no boons' heading of what you don't get as a GM reward.
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Venture-Captain, Texas—Waco
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As stated previously there are not spellbooks on the Chronicles, they are broken down into scrolls. In #10 there are a very large number of scrolls on the Chronicle.
Actually, that was a Season 0 rule, when Season 1 rolled out last year the rule was changed in the Guide to PFS Organized Play. On page 20 of version 3.0.2, copying a wizard's spellbook (whether looted or from a fellow PC) works in accordance with the Core Rulebook, pp 219-220, to include making the spellcraft check and paying the cost of special inks, etc. The rest of that paragraph gives specific rules for copying looted scrolls, distinctly separate from looted spellbooks.
The chronicle sheet for #10 included a long list of "scrolls" available for purchase because that's how the rule was applied at that time. In Season 0, if you looted a spellbook you had to buy a scroll of each spell you wanted to copy out of the spellbook, which defied logic and was subsequently changed. This discussion is basically a moot point anyway, how many other scenarios include enemy wizards with spellbooks to loot?
I would assume that 'free scroll access' would fall under the 'no boons' heading of what you don't get as a GM reward.
The GM in me agrees with you, while the wizard controlling my actions is disappointed that one of the biggest things wizards look forward to in the game is withheld from us. Spells = POWER!!! Sorry, he slipped out again...
Thamius,
What Mark is saying is that whether there is a spellbook in find in a scenario or not, the spells in that spellbook would still be represented on the chronicle sheet as individual spells on scrolls and not as a single spellbook that you can keep. And I am pretty sure that the rules for scribing spells from spellbooks is for when there are, for example, two wizards in a party and they want to swap a spell or two.
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Venture-Captain, Texas—Waco
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Thamius,
What Mark is saying is that whether there is a spellbook in find in a scenario or not, the spells in that spellbook would still be represented on the chronicle sheet as individual spells on scrolls and not as a single spellbook that you can keep. And I am pretty sure that the rules for scribing spells from spellbooks is for when there are, for example, two wizards in a party and they want to swap a spell or two.
I understand EXACTLY what Mark is saying, but I also distinctly remember a discussion of this rule change when version 2.0 was released at GenCon '09. It took me a while but I found the answer on the very last page of the stickied Pathfinder Society Rules 2.0 FAQ thread:
Thank you both for your answers. I thought of a slightly different question on the same topic:
If we come across scrolls or spellbooks containing 1st level spells during a scenario, can we scribe those for only the scribing cost? Or, since they will never appear on the chronicle (scrolls of 0th or 1st level are always available), will we need to buy the scroll then pay to scribe it as well?
Both questions are answered by the rules on page 219 of the Core Rulebook and page 19 of 2.01 of the Guide book. I don't intend to deviate from those rules.
Specifically:
A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard's spellbook.and
...a wizard does not have to purchase a scroll found during the course of a scenario in order to copy that scroll into his spellbook. A wizard only needs to spend the time, succeed on the appropriate checks, and spend the gold necessary per the table on page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
Note that it says you can add any spell you encounter in another wizard's spellbook, not just a friendly PC's spellbook. Please point me in the direction of a Season 1 or 2 scenario that displays a looted spellbook on a chronicle in the form of scrolls for purchase and I will eat crow.
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Note that it says you can add any spell you encounter in another wizard's spellbook, not just a friendly PC's spellbook. Please point me in the...
I haven't played all or run all season 1 mods, but I dont' recall coming across a spellbook anywhere. I honestly believe they were written out since mechanically they are going to show up as scrolls, thus avoiding confusing the PCs. Maybe Mr. Moreland can officially confirm or deny that.
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Venture-Captain, Texas—Waco
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I haven't played all or run all season 1 mods, but I dont' recall coming across a spellbook anywhere. I honestly believe they were written out since mechanically they are going to show up as scrolls, thus avoiding confusing the PCs. Maybe Mr. Moreland can officially confirm or deny that.
I haven't played or GM'd nearly enough of them, either, that's why I'm asking if there are any such scenarios past Season 0. I'm also hoping that at least once or twice a season some author will throw in a spellbook as part of the loot. I see evil clerics and sorcerers everywhere, but never, ever a wizard?
I think I found a more specifically applicable thread with an answer here.
If a wizard finds a scroll or spellbook they can copy spells out of it paying the appropriate costs and taking the appropriate amount of time as detailed on page 219 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook. A wizard does not need to purchase spells found during a scenario in order to then pay the copy-to-spellbook costs.
This time Josh specifically referenced copying spells straight out of a spellbook. Everyone seems completely focused on copying scrolls, which truth be told is probably the more common occurrence in our organized play. However, I don't see copying spells out of the occasional looted spellbook as being overpowered, since:
1. They aren't very common,
2. Many wizards probably have half of the spells already,
3. Success isn't guaranteed, you still have to make your spellcraft check, and
4. It isn't free, you still have to pay the normal copy-to-spellbook cost.
My wizard lucked out by playing Scenario #10 after the Season 1 rules had kicked in and before it was retired, but I've still probably accessed more additional spells for my spellbook by playing nice with other wizard PCs than I got from looting and trying to copy out of those two spellbooks. You'd think an organization like the Pathfinder Society would try harder to help out its wizards by having a whole library full of spellbooks in the Grand Lodge just ready to be copied, it's not like it would cost them anything extra once the books were brought in by returning Pathfinders. Certain sections of that wing would be off-limits, of course, I'm sure a handful would contain not-nice-aligned spells...
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You'd think an organization like the Pathfinder Society would try harder to help out its wizards by having a whole library full of spellbooks in the Grand Lodge just ready to be copied, it's not like it would cost them anything extra once the books were brought in by returning Pathfinders. Certain sections of that wing would be off-limits, of course, I'm sure a handful would contain not-nice-aligned spells...
I'm seriously starting to wonder about the Decemvirite and their motivations.
"Bring us magic items, bring us magic items, bring us magic items."
"Oh, you want to buy magic items? We can't help you, go impression your faction."
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For me buying scrolls and copying them into my wizards spell book so far seemed normal.
A fighter invests his money in a shiny weapon - I invest (part) of my money in new spells. I've even started to exchange PA for spells. I keep 18 for a possible resurrection and spend what is left
2PA = a fourth level spell scroll
that should be approx. two additional spells per level
But maybe I'm just lucky and had enough money so far that I could afford to part with some of it ??