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Flying in the face of actual reasoning, I have concluded that there must be a Nex/Geb-based AP in the future. I base this on poor evidence and shoddy conjecture, which follows!
Each AP has had in-depth articles by Wayne Reynold's brother Sean. The gods chosen have had important ties with the AP itself or the region it takes place in. We (almost?) certainly know who that the gods for AP5 will be Iomedae and Asmodeus. We have 10 of the 20 major gods unaccounted for.
Nethys
Urgathoa
Irori
Shelyn
Torag
Erastil
Norgorber
Pharasma
Gozreh
Gorum
Where is the highest concentration of Nethys worshippers? Where is the highest concentration of Urgathoa worshippers?
I believe my case is airtight. If not I will opt to use the Chewbacca Defense.
Any other possible and likely pairings stand out to anyone?
(seriously though, who could have predicted the pairs for AP2 and AP3 without knowing the details of those paths already? But we might as well whip out the epileptic trees while we're waiting for further details, eh?)
James stated in another thread that CoT will have Asmodeus and Iomedae :)
But trying to guess future pairings ... wow. If I'd been guessing before I would have said Shelyn and Zon-Kuthon would have appeared together, and Abadar and Asmodeus. But I'll still give it a go ...
Of the gods and goddesses left, I would see Pharasma and Urgathoa as a possible pairing, because of who they are. Irori as god of knowledge vs Norgorber as god of secrets? Erastil the farmer vs Gorum the destroyer? That leaves Gozreh, who I would guess goes with Shelyn due to their warm/cool relationship, and Nethys and Torag as the final pairing, wild vs. controlled :)
Erastil the farmer vs Gorum the destroyer?
Those two in opposition smacks of a potential Linnorm Kings AP, which I hope is on the cards sometime in the next 12 months...
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They also make a good pairing for Kingmaker (AP6), no?Erastil the farmer vs Gorum the destroyer?Those two in opposition smacks of a potential Linnorm Kings AP, which I hope is on the cards sometime in the next 12 months...
Depends on if the actual title of the AP is a combat encounter or a roleplay encounter.... if the later, Pharasma might be better suited.
I like this method of prognostication, but I predict at some point Paizo will slow down the deity reveal and got with one deity per AP.
I like this method of prognostication, but I predict at some point Paizo will slow down the deity reveal and got with one deity per AP.
Nah. Remember, the 20 major deities aren't the only ones. They're just the major ones, those venerated by many throughout the Inner Sea region. They can always go with lesser deities after the big ones are done.
Plus, it will take 5 years to get the major deities done.
I like this method of prognostication, but I predict at some point Paizo will slow down the deity reveal and got with one deity per AP.Nah. Remember, the 20 major deities aren't the only ones. They're just the major ones, those venerated by many throughout the Inner Sea region. They can always go with lesser deities after the big ones are done.
Plus, it will take 5 years to get the major deities done.
Erastil, Gorum and Norgorber are all worshiped in the River Kingdoms. I would expect at least one of them to make the cut for Kingmaker. I can see a sidebar, maybe for Hanspur or Gyonna.
edit: I think Torag and Erastil are probably a good fit for a Land of the Linnorm kings based AP, so I suspect Gorum and Norgorber for Kingmaker.
We know for a fact, via the chat, that Erastil is one of the Gods in Kingmaker.
I stand corrected. I'll change my guess to Erastil and Norgorber in Kingmaker and Torag / Goram in a forth coming Linnorm AP, if only because the latter combo would be "metal"
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We know for a fact, via the chat, that Erastil is one of the Gods in Kingmaker.
Of course, since Kingmaker hasn't been outlined yet, a lot of it is still up in the air. Neither of the gods I've tentatively said will be accompanying Kingmaker is a sure thing until the AP is outlined, which is a while away still.
Torag / Gorum in a forth coming Linnorm AP, if only because the latter combo would be "metal"
Wow, that's the stuff "World Wars" are made of right there. Can you say "the world's largest pissing contest". (with the potential to be very literally so)
We know for a fact, via the chat, that Erastil is one of the Gods in Kingmaker.Of course, since Kingmaker hasn't been outlined yet, a lot of it is still up in the air. Neither of the gods I've tentatively said will be accompanying Kingmaker is a sure thing until the AP is outlined, which is a while away still.
Hush!
You are clogging this thread with facts.
Gorum and Torag have got Wagnerian Epic written all over them - Land of the Linnorm Kings AP all the way!
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Remember, the 20 major deities aren't the only ones. They're just the major ones, those venerated by many throughout the Inner Sea region. They can always go with lesser deities after the big ones are done.Plus, it will take 5 years to get the major deities done.
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You also have SECTS. If memory is pulling a surprise on me and actually working, Pharasma has two opposing groups of followers. Norgober has four or so. So nothing prevents going back and adding details to what is already written.
Plus, you have four philosophies, the cosmology, demons, devils, angels and alignment mandated CG outsiders. So yes, there is plenty there.
Oh, and don't leave out the mess that Aroden left behind by his inconsiderate dying. If I'm reading the unwritten properly, Milani and his other saints are fighting for the scraps of his legacy, along with those poor spell-lacking clerics and templars (paladins) who still want their deity resurrected. Which begs the question: was the ritual in Cheliax REALLY meant to raise Aroden? (Which, in turn, begs for an AP of its own - is the devil you know really better than the deity you don't?)
Oh, and don't leave out the mess that Aroden left behind by his inconsiderate dying.
Ingrate!
I just want a Starstone Test AP...let the characters end the AP by trying to become gods themselves... So outline Aroden, and someone...?
I just want a Starstone Test AP...let the characters end the AP by trying to become gods themselves... So outline Aroden, and someone...?
That's not AP material. It screams epic, and they said that they won't do epic APs.
It is the iconic epic mega-adventure for Golarion, though.
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.Sorry. Because I want a Numeria AP, we will never get one. I'm really sorry.
Actually, I would very much LOVE to do a Numeria AP. An AP is actually the perfect format for this, since we could offer support articles with rules for lasers and robots.
The problem is that a six-month "sci-fi in your fantasy" adventure path is a VERY polarizing subject and we're worried that we'd shed subscribers like mad if we do something like this so close to the launch of a new game rules system... or the launch of a new edition... or the launch of Pathifnder itself. I'd love to do more experimental APs like a Numeria one, but Pathfinder itself has to be a more stable platform before we want to start rocking the boat.
The last several years have been pretty good at rocking that boat for us, after all. If we were to rock the boat on purpose in addition, we'd capsize.
Rest assured, Cappa, though, that when we DO a Numeria AP, I'll find a way to do one in a way that'll stress you out. Because I live to serve! :-P
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.
I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
And no, I'm not gonna tell anyone who they are unless they get a job working at Paizo and sign the BLOOD BOND and TAKE THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD OATHS.
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
And no, I'm not gonna tell anyone who they are unless they get a job working at Paizo and sign the BLOOD BOND and TAKE THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD OATHS.
Awwwww. They've got rid of the FOURTH OATH. I liked that one. It was vicious.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
And no, I'm not gonna tell anyone who they are unless they get a job working at Paizo and sign the BLOOD BOND and TAKE THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD OATHS.
Where do I sign? And what with?
Where do I sign? And what with?Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
And no, I'm not gonna tell anyone who they are unless they get a job working at Paizo and sign the BLOOD BOND and TAKE THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD OATHS.
Or with whom? I'm willing to shed morals like beads at the Mardi Gras!
And no, I'm not gonna tell anyone who they are unless they get a job working at Paizo and sign the BLOOD BOND and TAKE THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD OATHS.
Can we sign by spelling out our name in the entrails of those we slew to prove our dedication?
...because I bet that would make me stand out from the crowd, but if everyone's already doing it (They probably are; I'm always the last one to pick up on the new wave in carnage.) than I can do Urgathoa cosplay instead. I would offer Zon-Kuthon, but I don't think I have the nipples for it. :)
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
And no, I'm not gonna tell anyone who they are unless they get a job working at Paizo and sign the BLOOD BOND and TAKE THE FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD OATHS.
You wouldn't hire librarians? I have high recommendations from the Infernal Library of Cheliax, and I personally know all the Lictors of our beloved Hellknights! :)
(Oh, and I'm bald, which would make look good in pictures with Joshua and Sean! ;)
The last several years have been pretty good at rocking that boat for us, after all. If we were to rock the boat on purpose in addition, we'd capsize.Rest assured, Cappa, though, that when we DO a Numeria AP, I'll find a way to do one in a way that'll stress you out. Because I live to serve! :-P
Then serve my less experimental request! Irrisen and Linnorm Kings! Baba Yaga!
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
So, what you are saying is that you won't need any Adventure Paths beyond December 2012?
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So, what you are saying is that you won't need any Adventure Paths beyond December 2012?Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
Well once those Mayan gods come back in their spaceships we'll all be really preoccupied what with the temple building and all.
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So, what you are saying is that you won't need any Adventure Paths beyond December 2012?Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the major deity coverage get interrupted by a minor deity focus. Like say, Brigh being covered during a Numeria AP.I've got adventure path plots (and which deities are associated with them) mapped out through the end of the year 2012. We run out of major deities in 2011, IIRC (maybe at the start of 2012), so I actually DO have, tentatively, some of the minor deities already on a schedule for articles.
Well if there isn't going to be anymore APs after that then the can just go ahead and end anyway. Without the game there is no point in going on!! ;p
I have no problems with Mayan gods. With their names, yes (more especially their pronounciation) but not with them.
So what I'm going to say, I say with all the love in the world:
If they're going to mess with my APs, they're going to be put down.
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I think the big problem people have with sci-fi in Fantasy is the familiarity of the tropes used. As great as Barrier peaks was, alot of the charm I got from skimming it was very retro. People have defined expectations of what to get from sci-fi RPGs, and things get kind of muddled quickly when your throw it into swords and sorcery.
Id say the solution would be to make the sci-fi more unfamiliar. Dont use Phasers or blasters or something. Use a truly alien design aesthetic (after all, the starmount is a crashed alien ship, not a human one). Dont use lasers, use some sort of esoteric directed energy weapon, like Gauss Flayers. The gearmen are described as originally looking very different, having apparently later changed their shape to be slightly "off" humanoids. So, they're complex enough to alter their own forms. Somehow, I'm reminded of the Live-action transformers movie, but even more intricate, incomprehensible, and alien in design aesthetic. And minus the "cars" gimmic, obviously.
Its possible, but I agree its a chancy idea. Maybe a sort of chained set of Modules would be safer, ala Crown of the Kobold King and Darkmoon Vale?
On the other hand, doing it as modules means you cant do it later as an AP, and numeria really, really deserves its own AP. Wow, this really is a connundrum...
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On the other hand, doing it as modules means you cant do it later as an AP, and numeria really, really deserves its own AP. Wow, this really is a connundrum...
A chained series of modules can later be turned into an AP. (Against the Giants leading into Descent into the Depths of the Earth and then Queen of the Demonweb Pits comes to mind.)
I see nothing wrong with putting out various 'pyramid exploration' Osirioni adventures along the lines of Entombed with the Pharoahs, for instance, and, after enough of them are out, at ever-increasing levels, compiling them together in a single big-book Adventure Path, with some updating for new rules material and some new supplemental information on the region, side treks, etc.
It's not the same thing as a subscription-based AP, obviously, but still eminently do-able, and if the extra material is sufficiently appealing (or the updates sufficiently useful, as would be a Pathfinderization update to Entombed with the Pharoahs), a fan of the area / adventures / themes explored would be likely to want to pick up the compilation volume that updates and ties everything together, even if they already owned some (or all) of the component adventures.
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Not to necro, but what with Carrion Crown coming up, necro-ing.
Okay, with Serpent's Skull, we now have far less of the major gods that still need to get the big article treatment:
Urgathoa
Irori
Shelyn
Torag
Norgorber
Pharasma
Carrion Crown seems like it's all but certain to have Urgathoa and Pharasma as its featured gods, which leaves Irori, Shelyn, Norgorber, and Torag.
So what sort of AP's and featured regions would include a focus on these remaining gods? If Jade Regent happens after Carrion Crown, I'm guessing Irori is going to be getting pulled in(though I was hoping he would get his focus in a Vudra or Jalmeray oriented AP volume). Maybe Shelyn? Unless Jade Regent features Norgorbean ninjas....which works, actually.
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Not to necro, but what with Carrion Crown coming up, necro-ing.
Okay, with Serpent's Skull, we now have far less of the major gods that still need to get the big article treatment:
Urgathoa
Irori
Shelyn
Torag
Norgorber
PharasmaCarrion Crown seems like it's all but certain to have Urgathoa and Pharasma as its featured gods, which leaves Irori, Shelyn, Norgorber, and Torag.
So what sort of AP's and featured regions would include a focus on these remaining gods? If Jade Regent happens after Carrion Crown, I'm guessing Irori is going to be getting pulled in(though I was hoping he would get his focus in a Vudra or Jalmeray oriented AP volume). Maybe Shelyn? Unless Jade Regent features Norgorbean ninjas....which works, actually.
Remember that Jade Regent starts in Sandpoint and goes over the Crown of the World.
Shelyn can feature in any part of the world, as can Torag. With JJ planning these APs I doubt we'll get an "Into the Dwarven Halls" AP so Torag could feature, all it takes is some highly-organised martial society and/or passage through Dwarven lands.
Right now Pathfinder is down to the last four so we may see some gods detailed who are not a 'natural' fit.
However, Norgorber seems like the best fit from the inklings we have had about Jade Regent.
Which begs the question: What will be the setting for an AP with Shelyn and Torag as the featured deities?
Right now Pathfinder is down to the last four so we may see some gods detailed who are not a 'natural' fit.
However, Norgorber seems like the best fit from the inklings we have had about Jade Regent.
Which begs the question: What will be the setting for an AP with Shelyn and Torag as the featured deities?
Well, Shelyn and Torag do not naturally oppose each other. This leaves some options:
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Not to necro, but what with Carrion Crown coming up, necro-ing.
Okay, with Serpent's Skull, we now have far less of the major gods that still need to get the big article treatment:
Urgathoa
Irori
Shelyn
Torag
Norgorber
PharasmaCarrion Crown seems like it's all but certain to have Urgathoa and Pharasma as its featured gods, which leaves Irori, Shelyn, Norgorber, and Torag.
Shelyn and Norgorber seem well-suited to a very political Taldan-set game. War of the Houses, or something, with various noble and mercantile factions instigating a border conflict with Qadira (or Andoran) as part of some machinations, perhaps.
But that leaves Torag and Irori. Odd combination, that. Dwarven Monks, ahoy?
Well, in another thread related to Pharasma, James has stated that AP 44 will most likely be where info for Pharasma will be printed. And as for the Jade Regent AP, why would it not include at least one of the, probable, new deities introduced with the whole Tian Xia region? I could see part two of the AP featuring one of the remaining known deities not presented yet and part five having a totally new deity from Tian Xia.
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And as for the Jade Regent AP, why would it not include at least one of the, probable, new deities introduced with the whole Tian Xia region? I could see part two of the AP featuring one of the remaining known deities not presented yet and part five having a totally new deity from Tian Xia.
I'll admit this isn't the setting for it, since they already have a crapload of gods, but I would love to see the Tien / Vudran / whatever gods as tweaked interpretations of the 'big 20.'
Shelyn, as a Geisha-courtier, demure and representing the 'gentle arts,' Pharasma as a cold judge of the dead, her face hidden behind a white porcelain mask, Nethys as a eunuch warlock who sacrificed his mortal life and it's many demands to become more intimately tied to matters arcane, etc.
Meanwhile, in Vudra, Shelyn has six arms and three faces, the center one veiled, because it's beauty is to great that so gaze upon it causes death. She is the goddess of beauty, always represented in a dancer's pose, holding some combination of flowers, hand mirrors and musical instruments in her six hands.
But that leaves Torag and Irori. Odd combination, that. Dwarven Monks, ahoy?
Ye be gettin' me rum then?
Carrion Crown seems like it's all but certain to have Urgathoa and Pharasma as its featured gods, which leaves Irori, Shelyn, Norgorber, and Torag.
The descriptions of the volume 2 and 5 of CC confirm it is Pharasma first and Urgathoa second.
Of the remaining gods:
Irori
Shelyn
Torag
Norgorber
I'd say that Irori and Norgorber are the two deities pimped in the Jade Regent. Irori for #2 and Norgorber for #5. Just my thought.
Considering that I'm betting that the AP after that will be focused on Tian Xia, I'm guessing they'll skip the core deities and instead focus on Tian Xia deities. The AP after that could be a Galt/5kings mountains AP dealing with the land of eternal revolution.
Then maybe the AP after that will be epic focused and the players themselves will become gods.
Just hoping.
I give a thumb's up to Set's idea. Viewing the major gods differently depending on the cultural framework of the societies who worship them is an awesome idea. Hence the syncretism you see in the Mwangi with respect to some of the gods, and likely the worship of say Irori in Avistan or even Gurand will be pretty different than in Vudra just as cultures influence everything from the way they view or depict a god or the language of the liturgy which itself can change things, etc (ie meaning changes introduced through translation or mistranslation, such as going from greek and latin to english in the King James Bible, or going from Syro-Aramaic [disputed] to Arabic for the Quran).
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While Irori seems like a gimme for Jade Regent, and Norgorber would make an awesome ninja patron, Torag could make a b%!#*in' samurai god, all about forgecraft, defense and strategy, making the 'samurai' of that setting focused less on tea ceremonies and calligraphy and more on forging their own weapons and armor, defensive strategization and studying the tactics of Sun Tzu...