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Did they reveal what Baltar said to Gaeta back in the day? They made reference to the conversation in the mutiny episode, but if they revealed what was actually said, I missed it.
It was revealed in the webisode series Face of the Enemy.
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Plus, I liked Dee's character and the actress was the hottest non-toaster...I'd say she was the hottest, period, toaster or no!
Kandyse McClure, we will miss you so... <3
Grace Park has her beat in my heart (or lower) sorry!
That said, I've been really impressed with Trisha Helfer's acting chops. and I'm so glad to see Ellen back. The actress actually came on the sci-fi boards and said goodbye when Ellen died on New Caprica, how cool is that?
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Hey, I just had a thought
Universal Pictures and Glen Larson are currently developing a BSG movie. According to reports, it will be a follow of to the seventies series and not related to the current series on Sci-Fi.
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Hey, I just had a thought
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Universal Pictures and Glen Larson are currently developing a BSG movie. According to reports, it will be a follow of to the seventies series and not related to the current series on Sci-Fi.
Pictures and Glen Larson are currently developing a BSG movie. According to reports, it will be a follow of to the seventies series and not related to the current series on Sci-Fi.
This just strikes me as such a cheeseball manuver...
CHEESEBALL!!!! CHEESEBALL!!!! CHEESEBALL!!!!
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Would be interesting. I nominate Dirk Benedict for Adama.
Sean Ashmore for Apollo.
I saw an idea one time that I liked. Apollo had vanished, the Colonials had found a new world to settle on, Boxy was the new commander of the Galactica, and Starbuck was the XO. Much like the Ronald Moore series, the Galactica was about to be retired when the Cylons attacked the new colony out of the blue. Boxy and Starbuck had never believed the Cylons were gon for good and had secretly been rearming the Galactica, including a fleet of second generation Vipers. As the series was supposed to have progessed, you would learn that the Cylons had changed their goals from exterminating the human race to assimilating them and that Apollo had been turned into a human/cylon hybrid. Moore had actually worked on this project with Brian Singer, and seems to have scavanged some of the ideas to put in the current series. However, it seems like a good starting place to develop a story that continues the old plot line and still can grab the attention of the fans of the new series.
Personally, I may be in the minority but I think it is a fine idea. I'm a fan of both series, and I would like to see a continuation of the original story.
As would I, as I like the original story better. The current BSG isn't bad, but it's a little too much of a soap opera for me. It feels like I'm watching "The Young and The Restless" in outer space.
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Plus, I liked Dee's character and the actress was the hottest non-toaster...I'd say she was the hottest, period, toaster or no!
Kandyse McClure, we will miss you so... <3
Grace Park has her beat in my heart (or lower) sorry!
That said, I've been really impressed with Trisha Helfer's acting chops. and I'm so glad to see Ellen back. The actress actually came on the sci-fi boards and said goodbye when Ellen died on New Caprica, how cool is that?
Grace Park is a solid #2 for me, Tricia Helfer #3.
And that is very cool.
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Personally, I may be in the minority but I think it is a fine idea. I'm a fan of both series, and I would like to see a continuation of the original story.As would I, as I like the original story better. The current BSG isn't bad, but it's a little too much of a soap opera for me. It feels like I'm watching "The Young and The Restless" in outer space.
Interestingly, some of the criticisms I have read other places about doing a movie set in the original series is that the original series was too much like a soap opera. Let's clear the air right now, are there times when I watch TOS that I think it should be served with wine and a side of crackers? Yes there are. Are there times when I think the new series should be re-named Battlestar 90210? Yes there are. But both are products of their time, and should be viewed as such. Most television shows in the late 70's had a certain aspect of cheese to them. Most early 21st century shows have angsty subplots in them. Both have a lot of good things to offer, if we take the time to look for them.
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I saw an idea one time that I liked. Apollo had vanished, the Colonials had found a new world to settle on, Boxy was the new commander of the Galactica, and Starbuck was the XO. Much like the Ronald Moore series, the Galactica was about to be retired when the Cylons attacked the new colony out of the blue. Boxy and Starbuck had never believed the Cylons were gon for good and had secretly been rearming the Galactica, including a fleet of second generation Vipers. As the series was supposed to have progessed, you would learn that the Cylons had changed their goals from exterminating the human race to assimilating them and that Apollo had been turned into a human/cylon hybrid. Moore had actually worked on this project with Brian Singer, and seems to have scavanged some of the ideas to put in the current series. However, it seems like a good starting place to develop a story that continues the old plot line and still can grab the attention of the fans of the new series.Would be interesting. I nominate Dirk Benedict for Adama.
Sean Ashmore for Apollo.
Here is the entry from the Battlestar Wiki on the Singer project.
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On February 22, 2001, Variety magazine announced that Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto, the creative team behind The Usual Suspects and the phenomenally successful X-Men movie, were slated to bring back Galactica on behalf of Studios USA. In an interview with Michael Fleming, Singer wrote:
"The lesson I learned on X-Men is to have a healthy respect for the fan base of sci-fi fantasy franchises, and I'm confident that the Galactica brand is a sleeping giant. It was a show I watched during its initial run, from the pilot to the final episode. The essence and the brand name is quite potent in a climate where there's a great deficit of sci-fi programming."
USA Television Production Group president David Kissinger endorsed the team and the plans to take the series into prime time. Kissinger was quoted as saying, "It's possible that we might be able to do a dual window scenario with the Sci-Fi Channel." Studios USA executive Dan Pasternack was interviewed a day later on the SciFi Wire, adding that the premiere probably wouldn't appear any earlier than mid-season 2002. He also made several comments that addressed many of the concerns that were raised against the "biodomes" project, noting that the new project featured Cylons and was endorsed by Glen Larson.
"Bryan Singer's intent is to be very faithful to the spirit and legacy of the original show.... to creatively to go forward in time as the saga has continued in his mind... He is not looking to take it in any direction that would be disappointing to fans of the original show... Bryan and Glen [Larson] sat down. We wanted to make sure this union was very blessed by Glen. ... He has blessed this and wants to see it go forward... I think it's safe to say you can't do Battlestar Galactica without Cylons, [but] what our relationship to the Cylons will be, I can't say... I don't know if [finding Earth] is the goal in this show. ... We could be on a different exodus... It's pretty epic stuff we're going to do. We're committed to doing it right, now that we have Bryan. It's waited some 20-odd years to be reborn."
In an interview with Fandom.com, DeSanto ducked the question of whether original cast members would be used, but promised that "old fans and people who haven't heard of it alike will be happy with the new series." He admitted to not having seen Richard Hatch's Second Coming trailer and had no info on the network or the location shoot. Regarding the production, "I think it's going to surprise. The same way X-Men surprised the studio, I think this will surprise the network and will become a phenomenon. I don't think people realize the passion people have for this show and the fond memories of the show."
Then the information dried up. BattlestarGalactica.com webmaster Michael Faries relayed spotted reports gleamed from his phone calls with Tom DeSanto and the production offices. Bryan Singer met and talked with Richard Hatch who officially endorsed the project, saying he was elated and that it was a wonderful surprise for him. Fans learned that the DeSanto/Singer team had actually been working on their Galactica project since last August and that the Variety article was only a formal announcement and that preproduction was already underway.
In early March, key cast members were being considered and Dan Angel and Billy Brown ("X-Files") were recruited as showrunners for the new production, helping flesh out the pilot script. By April, Studios USA had green-lighted the production and both a series bible and first-draft script had been completed. In June, the Fox network agreed to host the new two-hour Battlestar Galactica continuation series pilot. Tom DeSanto was elated. "I've dreamed of bringing Battlestar Galactica back for over 10 years now and could not think of a better home for it than Fox."
Glen Larson had also joined the production as a consulting producer. DeSanto commented in September 2003, "He just wanted to make sure that his child wasn't being raised by a pack of wolves. He didn't want it to be something that was being turned out to exploit its name." Original cast member Dirk Benedict told fans at MotorCity Comic Con in May that he personally talked to Tom DeSanto several times. Tom told Dirk that he was very enthusiastic about bringing back at least four of the original characters on to the new series. The only stumbling block was the studio executives who didn't want any of the old characters back.
By August, Richard Hatch hadn't been signed for the project or invited to any official meetings to discuss his role even though filming was scheduled to being in November. Dirk Benedict and Herb Jefferson had already signed on to the project and were optimistic that follow-on projects would include Richard Hatch, although it was becoming increasingly obvious that Richard was not invited for the pilot.
Several FX houses including Foundation Imaging, Eden FX and the Orphanage began work, and the producers began constructing sets in a rented, abandonned Sears warehouse in Vancouver. "We built the skeletons of two Vipers and started building the bridge set. It was going to be a true rendition of the bridge, only we were going to make it a bit larger." Budgeted at more than $10 million, principal photography was scheduled between November and January 2002, with postproduction to continue through the spring, and a May 2002 premiere on Fox. After directing the pilot, Singer would immediately begin pre-production on X2: X-Men United, which was scheduled to being shooting in May as well.
After 9/11, the production ground to a halt. Said DeSanto, "It was devastating. No one was able to function. It was difficult to focus, and we lost about a month, and that caused the schedule to shift." The delay forced the departure of Bryan Singer to focus on X2, and Fox had assigned Rob Bowman to take his place. DeSanto tried to recruit another name director, Nic Meyer (who had directed several Star Trek feature films), before bringing on board Stephen Hopkins, Gary Fleder and Brian Henson. With Singer gone, however, everything unravelled. Fox had lost interest, withdrew its support, and chose instead to devote its efforts to creating Joss Whedon's Firefly. On November 13, Variety announced that as a result of Singer's departure, the early 2002 shoot in Vancouver had been cancelled. Tom DeSanto then made an announcement to the fans:
"Our THANKS TO ALL OF YOU that have signed the petitions, written letters and supported the return of Battlestar Galactica. We are listening to you. And we appreciate your support, past, present and future. We feel that you will not be disappointed with our production for the new Battlestar Galactica. And we hope to bring it to you as soon as it is possible."
Behind the scenes (and without DeSanto's knowledge), Studios USA initiated steps to bring back Battlestar Galactica with a new creative team. In December, David Kissinger called David Eick, asking him if he would helm a new series. According to commentary on the miniseries DVD, Eick stipulated he would do so only if he were not be bound in any way by the work done by the DeSanto/Singer production. Joining Eick as producer and principal writer is Ronald D. Moore, whose highest profile work to date had been on Paramount's Star Trek franchise. On April 2, 2002, the saga of DeSanto and Singer ended, with the official announcement of the Sci-Fi Channel December 2003 miniseries. Unlike DeSanto, it was a remake, or "re-imagining" of the original story.
The continuation that never was
Many fans have speculated what a DeSanto project might have looked like, and some have accused the main players of maintaining a "cone of silence" that minimized the fanbase's ability to show their support for a faithful Galactica continuation. Very little information on the script was ever released until Tom DeSanto's presentation at Galacticon in October 2003. Here is a brief plot description as was revealed at the event.
In early drafts of the script, Commander Adama was the main character, a role that Bryan Singer originally intended for Ian McKellan. However, in later drafts, Adama is dead and the Commander is Boxey (now called Orin), with Starbuck as second in command. The DeSanto pilot takes place a generation after the timeline of the original series.
Twenty years before the events of the DeSanto pilot, the Galactica and the Pegasus together had fought off a massive Cylon attack. The Pegasus has been presumed lost, along with Sheba and Apollo. Since then the Colonials, weary of the search for Earth, had established a new Colony in the midst of an asteroid field, and fallen into decadence. For the new generation born in space, the ordeal of the Destruction of the Colonies was now a distant memory. But the Cylons were not gone for good.
In the wake of their historic defeat, a civil war had occurred, in which a new faction had taken over the Cylon empire, one which desired not the destruction of the humans, but their absorption into the empire by accepting cybernetic implants. By this method, the humans left behind on the original homeworlds had become assimilated. In a July 2003 SciFi Wire interview, DeSanto said that "we did have human Cylons, but we did it in a different sort of twist [than Ronald Moore]. It was the old Colonials who had became integrated into the Cylon society. The one way that they found they could survive was to give up their free will."
In the last half of the pilot episode, Cylons return to launch an assault on New Caprica. With the Galactica damaged, and just as they are about to complete the attack, they mysteriously halt. The final scenes takes place on the Cylon homeworld, where the camera focuses on the Cylon Apollo, a red light moving back and forth behind his right eye.
There were plans to use original cast members in the followup series. Herb Jefferson's Boomer would have had a semi-regular role in addition to appearing in the pilot. Jane Seymour (Serina) had actually contacted DeSanto, desiring a role in the project. He was going to cast her as one of the angels aboard the Ship of Lights, and as a possible redeemer to the fallen Apollo. Anne Lockhart's Sheba, not cast in the pilot, would have returned in command of the Pegasus later in the series. Laurette Spang's Cassiopeia, now married with children, would also have appeared in the series, along with Terry Carter's Colonel Tigh. DeSanto had intended to bring back Patrick Macnee as Iblis, who would save seen his role usurped by his son. Noah Hathaway, who played the original Boxey, would have been cast in a different role, that of a Viper pilot.
In a July 2002 interview at SciFiPulse, Dirk Benedict commented on his role in the new series:
"I was excited to play Starbuck 20 years older. The same man. Still drinking, smoking and chasing women, but at 50 it has a completely different resonance than when you are in your 20's. Full of pathos. Still romantic and in a way charming and enticing but also lonely and a bit sad. Tom agreed with me on these things. We would not have made him politically correct. I think the fans would have enjoyed it extremely and he would have been marvelous character by which to introduce all the young and the new stars of the revival... Tom DeSanto, as you know, was going to use original members to bridge from what was to what would have been. I regret he was distanced from this project."
Original series fans still hope that Glen Larson will be able to one day partner with Tom DeSanto to continue the original storyline and make use the original cast including Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict.
Interestingly, some of the criticisms I have read other places about doing a movie set in the original series is that the original series was too much like a soap opera. Let's clear the air right now, are there times when I watch TOS that I think it should be served with wine and a side of crackers? Yes there are. Are there times when I think the new series should be re-named Battlestar 90210? Yes there are. But both are products of their time, and should be viewed as such. Most television shows in the late 70's had a certain aspect of cheese to them. Most early 21st century shows have angsty subplots in them. Both have a lot of good things to offer, if we take the time to look for them.Personally, I may be in the minority but I think it is a fine idea. I'm a fan of both series, and I would like to see a continuation of the original story.As would I, as I like the original story better. The current BSG isn't bad, but it's a little too much of a soap opera for me. It feels like I'm watching "The Young and The Restless" in outer space.
I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I guess I like the cheese more than the angsty sublots. Don't get me wrong. The modern BSG has action and special effects that the original can't match, but the writing style isn't something I enjoy. I like shows that have "good" guys versus "bad" guys. Everything in the new BSG is a shade of gray and everyone in the show is deeply flawed.
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I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I guess I like the cheese more than the angsty sublots. Don't get me wrong. The modern BSG has action and special effects that the original can't match, but the writing style isn't something I enjoy. I like shows that have "good" guys versus "bad" guys. Everything in the new BSG is a shade of gray and everyone in the show is deeply flawed.
Except Ms. Park. She's perfect ;-)
Seriously, I agree all the characters are flawed. Humans are flawed. *shrug* If anything I'd expect more moral compromises.
I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I guess I like the cheese more than the angsty sublots. Don't get me wrong. The modern BSG has action and special effects that the original can't match, but the writing style isn't something I enjoy. I like shows that have "good" guys versus "bad" guys. Everything in the new BSG is a shade of gray and everyone in the show is deeply flawed.Except Ms. Park. She's perfect ;-)
Seriously, I agree all the characters are flawed. Humans are flawed. *shrug* If anything I'd expect more moral compromises.
True, as human beings we're all flawed. BSG exaggerates the human condition a little too much I believe and is too dark for my tastes. Do I want to see people blowing their brains out or popping pills on TV? No.
Personally, I may be in the minority but I think it is a fine idea. I'm a fan of both series, and I would like to see a continuation of the original story.As would I, as I like the original story better. The current BSG isn't bad, but it's a little too much of a soap opera for me. It feels like I'm watching "The Young and The Restless" in outer space.
Sometimes I wish a ship would show up with "Admiral" Leary on it. Who after listening to everyone for a time tells them all to shut the hell up and go mow the yard. "You want some therapy? Go mow the lawn and cry, that's your therapy. Life sucks, get a freaken helmet!"
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I've figured out who the Cylon god is.
13 skinjobs but one is lost
It's Keith Baker! They're going to find Eberron!
And yes, b*&$$ of the night award goes to Boomer. Chump of the night goes to Galen :-(
Happy viewer of the night goes to me ;-)
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I noticed one of the 6's in the front row of Raptor pilots when Starbuck was addressing them. I knew that the Cylons were joining the fleet, but when they start letting them join the military (other than Athena)? Or was she just there to represent the heavy raider pilots?
There were a couple of sixes in the back as well. During Starbucks CAP run-through she even talked about the Sixes and Eights flying with the rest of the squads.
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I noticed one of the 6's in the front row of Raptor pilots when Starbuck was addressing them. I knew that the Cylons were joining the fleet, but when they start letting them join the military (other than Athena)? Or was she just there to represent the heavy raider pilots?
Last week Adama made reference to Cylons flying CAP. I noticed though that other than the heavy raiders, we haven't seen any Raiders or Centurians being used by the rebels since they broke away from John's fleet. Do you think that they shut them down to reprogram them?
Last week Adama made reference to Cylons flying CAP. I noticed though that other than the heavy raiders, we haven't seen any Raiders or Centurians being used by the rebels since they broke away from John's fleet. Do you think that they shut them down to reprogram them?
I think they said all the raiders were destroyed in their fight against Cavil. The centurians have been shown numerous times on the basestar (Baltar had a chat with one, they were shown guarding the hostages last season, etc.). Given the humans feelings about the toasters I think they are keeping them out of sight to ease interactions. Didn't they show one piloting one of the heavy raiders that intercepted Boomer and Ellen's raptor last week? Or did I imagine that?
Also another six got a name this week. Sonia, the cylon representative to the quorum. Thats Sonia, Caprica, Natalie and Gina for the sixes now.
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SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME: Hera draws the Solar System, Boomer gets it on with Tyrol, and Starbuck finds she is the half-breed daughter of Daniel (the thirteenth Cylon).
Actually she drew 13 notes.
Also loved when Daniel started playng the original BSG theme and she said he was ripping it off.
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I still think the bit where Boomer rolls Athena into the Locker and then pretends to be Athena while she carves a HELO notch on her "psychadelic Bedpost" was a little nasty even for Boomer...waht next? HERA II (Daughter of Boomer?).
I assume Hera can tell them apart like Galen or any of the five can.
OTOH, now that I think about it, Galen didn't need Ellen's 'cylon sense' to tell it was Boomer in the raptor when they landed. If all the eights defected except for Boomer, then an 8 lands an unidentified Raptor... it doesn't take a leap of logic (admittedly after this episode not the chief's strong point) to guess that's Boomer at the controls.
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Probably not as horrifying as Richard Hatch's BSG: THE SECOND COMMING.
I thank the Universe for Trisha Helfer and the Gaius Baltar Show.
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I still think the bit where Boomer rolls Athena into the Locker and then pretends to be Athena while she carves a HELO notch on her "psychadelic Bedpost" was a little nasty even for Boomer...waht next? HERA II (Daughter of Boomer?).I assume Hera can tell them apart like Galen or any of the five can.
Except that she really didn't IIRC. I like the fact that Starbuck has her own head cylon, and it's her dad.
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Probably not as horrifying as Richard Hatch's BSG: THE SECOND COMMING.
I thank the Universe for Trisha Helfer and the Gaius Baltar Show.
Well, considering that they were working on a limited budget, and that some of the things, like the new Raiders, look like early prototypes for what Moore did, I don't think it's that bad. If you have read any of Mr. Hatch's novel, then you know that the idea could have been well executed.
Not much happening this week. Surprisingly Starbuck is dead but somehow still alive. Oh wait, we already knew that. They've got a lot to wrap up in the last 3 hours.
Next week's preview makes it look like Adama is taking Galactica on a suicide mission.
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I also found it interesting we didn't see head-Baltar. Maybe 'he' sees Caprica no longer needs him, but Gaius can't let go of 'her'?
Also, did Athena shoot the chief when I wasn't looking?
As much as I like Boomer, I don't want to see her have a moment of conscience and shoot Cavil or something. She's redcloak to his Xylon.
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I also found it interesting we didn't see head-Baltar. Maybe 'he' sees Caprica no longer needs him, but Gaius can't let go of 'her'?
Also, did Athena shoot the chief when I wasn't looking?
As much as I like Boomer, I don't want to see her have a moment of conscience and shoot Cavil or something. She's redcloak to his Xylon.
Actually, that's exactly the reason she might have a moment of conscience and shoot him. We know from Start of Darkness that Redcloak has already faced and failed that test, but that seed is still always there, and Redcloak may have his moment of redemption...
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Was anyone else disapointed with last night's episode?
Was anyone else disapointed with last night's episode?
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I thought last nights show was a waste of space. I hope this isn't sending the signal for a weak ending.