When the Cylons landed on New Caprica they alluded to the fact the Caprica Six and Boomer had convinced them to abandon the Twelve Colonies.
Also, were Anders and his bunch on Caprica the only humans to survive on all 12 collonies and the space in between?
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When the Cylons landed on New Caprica they alluded to the fact the Caprica Six and Boomer had convinced them to abandon the Twelve Colonies.Also, were Anders and his bunch on Caprica the only humans to survive on all 12 collonies and the space in between?
I'd have to assume not.
Always thought it would be an interesting set of stories/adventures, a crew of a freighter (pirates?) that was between systems when the war broke out. Military survivors (maybe raptors or vipers that went dead but were missed by raiders, or even a small ship out on LRRP) mixed in with cylon infiltrators...
Imagine what it would be like. Two+ years of dodging for your life, hitting planets/bases/caches for supplies, dealing with other suvivors, finding out about the humanoid cylons... Then one day, they all go away.
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If I recall correctly, the Cylons abandoned the colonies at a certain point. It's possible a small number of humans may have survived.
The mass of Cylons on Cavil's side in the civil war is a bigger issue.
I thought so too, at first--but they said Cavil took everyone with him to the Colony. Even if this isn't the case, had I been in command, I would have sent a recon to Caprica once we learned the Colony at the black hole was destroyed. If it was friendly or unoccupied, I sure as hell would have repatriated rather than gone native on Earth. You know, when I watched the last three episodes last night, I was very pleased, but the day after, the more I think about it, the more ridiculous some of the decisions seem.
I still think it was really dumb to fly the whole fleet into the sun.
Other than that I really have no questions left unanswered.
Well... except if we should continue current national funding of robotics.
If I recall correctly, the Cylons abandoned the colonies at a certain point. It's possible a small number of humans may have survived.
Probably not enough to repopulate. From the first season, we can tell the cylons were in berserker mode.
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I think this is the first TV show I have ever seen that was spectacular, start to finish.
How about this--I didn't know: CYLON is an acronym for Cybernetic Life-form Node.
It's a retronym. Made up to fit the name after the fact. That's part of why it's so silly.
And really, not very many of the cylons qualify as cyborgs (both mechanical and organic). The raiders are an example that does.
In t.O.S. they were all cyborgs. At least in the movies they were. They had been made by a reptilian race who fought humanity and were destroyed during the conflict. However since the parent race was killed and they never were able to tell the cylons to stop trying to kill the humans, well they kept fighting. It was to have been part of an analogy for the serpent in eden and the apple of technology.
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In t.O.S. they were all cyborgs. At least in the movies they were. They had been made by a reptilian race who fought humanity and were destroyed during the conflict. However since the parent race was killed and they never were able to tell the cylons to stop trying to kill the humans, well they kept fighting. It was to have been part of an analogy for the serpent in eden and the apple of technology.
The only movie was the 2-hour pilot. The centurions were built by the Cylons (the reptilian race), but they weren't organic.
Because the colonies were nuked and not particularly livable on long term?
yay, they would be cooked like earth was.
They could have jumped back and got all their stuff maybe, and still moved onto the new earth.
The reasoning behind 'lets fly the fleet into the sun' thing still escapes me...
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In t.O.S. they were all cyborgs. At least in the movies they were. They had been made by a reptilian race who fought humanity and were destroyed during the conflict. However since the parent race was killed and they never were able to tell the cylons to stop trying to kill the humans, well they kept fighting. It was to have been part of an analogy for the serpent in eden and the apple of technology.The only movie was the 2-hour pilot. The centurions were built by the Cylons (the reptilian race), but they weren't organic.
It's been quite some time since I saw the theatrical release and they did change a bit when it was edited for the pilot of the series but if I remember correctly in the movie they were full blown cyborgs with organic insides. and one of the plot devices was that they killed the cloning factories on some weird world inhabited with multi-breasted ladies and aliens with multi mouths and other appendages.
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Because the colonies were nuked and not particularly livable on long term?yay, they would be cooked like earth was.
They could have jumped back and got all their stuff maybe, and still moved onto the new earth.
The reasoning behind 'lets fly the fleet into the sun' thing still escapes me...
I agree. While I can see wanting a break, and the hard road ahead there was just too much that they left behind. That being said the opening remarks from the Original series was implied from the ending.
"There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. That they may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens..."
Which means it is possible that they did not drop all of their techno-savvy.
Funny but if the original series was near contemporary either through the inclusion of transmissions from our earth and the sad sequel in the 80's, then both could be extant in the same universe and the 12 colonies could be the survivors of the original 12 colonies. Thats just warped.
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I should probably go back and watch the episodes on Caprica again, but I seem to remember that Caprica looked pretty good when Starbuck was there and Anders was leading the Resistance. Even if Caprica barely fared better than the other 11, with, say, only 10% of the surface livable, there's less than 40k people left--hell, there's 60k living in Fairbanks, Alaska. I think, in the end, I'm just flummoxed, like some of you, with the whole thing--deliberately going Luddite, scuttling every ship (even the vacation garden-ships--why destroy the last plantlife from the Colonies?), and not considering rebuilding the Colonies now that the Cylons were either gone or friendly.
In their shoes, given that I'm an observer of the events and can't really know what I'd actually do were I there, I almost think I'd rather go with the Centurions than go Thoreau.
I definitely wouldn't take my wife and kids and head off on my lonesome.
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I should probably go back and watch the episodes on Caprica again, but I seem to remember that Caprica looked pretty good when Starbuck was there and Anders was leading the Resistance...
Have you seen Chyrnobyl? That place looks like the garden of eden, but its totally unlivable. You may think you'd do fine just looking at it, but its a toxic death trap. Once you get up close you start noticing some of the problems with wildlife as well...
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I should probably go back and watch the episodes on Caprica again, but I seem to remember that Caprica looked pretty good when Starbuck was there and Anders was leading the Resistance...Have you seen Chyrnobyl? That place looks like the garden of eden, but its totally unlivable. You may think you'd do fine just looking at it, but its a toxic death trap. Once you get up close you start noticing some of the problems with wildlife as well...
Excellent point.
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It's been quite some time since I saw the theatrical release and they did change a bit when it was edited for the pilot of the series but if I remember correctly in the movie they were full blown cyborgs with organic insides. and one of the plot devices was that they killed the cloning factories on some weird world inhabited with multi-breasted ladies and aliens with multi mouths and other appendages.
Google can lead you to a lot of information about the first BSG series. Organic cylons (other than the deceased lizard creators) are not part of it anywhere I can find, though it's been a long time for me as well so I can't go from having watched the whole thing recently.
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Cylons_(TOS)
It's been quite some time since I saw the theatrical release and they did change a bit when it was edited for the pilot of the series but if I remember correctly in the movie they were full blown cyborgs with organic insides. and one of the plot devices was that they killed the cloning factories on some weird world inhabited with multi-breasted ladies and aliens with multi mouths and other appendages.In t.O.S. they were all cyborgs. At least in the movies they were. They had been made by a reptilian race who fought humanity and were destroyed during the conflict. However since the parent race was killed and they never were able to tell the cylons to stop trying to kill the humans, well they kept fighting. It was to have been part of an analogy for the serpent in eden and the apple of technology.The only movie was the 2-hour pilot. The centurions were built by the Cylons (the reptilian race), but they weren't organic.
In the original series, the cyclons were built by the Cylon race (reptilian race). This race had actually died out long ago, before the humans met them. The cylons had a few different models (at least three that you see) with the centurions being the bottom of the totem pole. Above them were the mid-grade managers (Lucifer was one of these) and then there was the supreme commander (with a big fro) who may have been meant to look like the original Cylons (and whose voice was modeled after an "evil" "superbeing").
The cyclons didn't have any organic parts. The planet you are thinking of was ruled by a race of insectoid humanoids who mined a fuel for the cylons and tricked humans to come and eat and get fattened and then fed on. I do not think there were any multibreasted women (maybe you are thinking of Total Recall) but there was an alien with multiple mouths/faces.
In the "second season" (yeah, I know, never happened, it was a horrible "spinoff"), there was actually a human form cylon introduced that could shoot rays from his hands. He eventually kidnapped Wolfman Jack (yeah, really, you can't make this stuff up) and tried to contact the cylon fleet but was stopped by the colonians and ultimately destroyed by his own centurion aid's stupidity.
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In the "second season" (yeah, I know, never happened, it was a horrible "spinoff"), there was actually a human form...
Hey, it had one good episode...the whatever became of Starbuck one.
The humanoid cylons in Galactica 1980 were androids (human-form robots). Surely the inspiration for the much cooler remake Cylon skinjobs though...
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I should probably go back and watch the episodes on Caprica again, but I seem to remember that Caprica looked pretty good when Starbuck was there and Anders was leading the Resistance...Have you seen Chyrnobyl? That place looks like the garden of eden, but its totally unlivable. You may think you'd do fine just looking at it, but its a toxic death trap. Once you get up close you start noticing some of the problems with wildlife as well...
However, at Chernobyl, to paraphrase another sci-fi classic, life has found a way. Sure, the people who lived there when the reactor went up are facing serious health problems, and the zone directly around the plant is in a bad way, but the city and the surrounding countryside is quite livable, as evidenced by the large amounts of plant and animal life living and thriving in the region. In fact species that are extinct everywhere else in the region have found a foothold and are making a comeback around Chernobyl. And according to most documented account, the animals there do not have any serious health problems. They also continued to run the rest of the plant, minus reactor four, until 2001 without any documented major health problems among the workers.
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However, at Chernobyl, to paraphrase another sci-fi classic, life has found a way. Sure, the people who lived there when the reactor went up are facing serious health problems, and the zone directly around the plant is in a bad way, but the city and the surrounding countryside is quite livable, as evidenced by the large amounts of plant and animal life living and thriving in the region. In fact species that are extinct everywhere else in the region have found a foothold and are making a comeback around Chernobyl. And according to most documented account, the animals there do not have any serious health problems. They also continued to run the rest of the plant, minus reactor four, until 2001 without any documented major health problems among the workers.
That doesn't stop the drifts of radioactive materials. Wildlife there has definitely recovered, but it has to be a hardier variety that what was there indigenously to begin with. There was originally a greater loss of life than is apparent today. Things that do better in these conditions, such as trees and burrowing mammals, are what thrive there. Other creatures such as deer are still found with all manner of health problems including white blood cell deficiency. Creatures in this area live, yes, but its hard. What makes it appear easy is the lack of human interference.
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In the "second season" (yeah, I know, never happened, it was a horrible "spinoff"), there was actually a human form...Hey, it had one good episode...the whatever became of Starbuck one.
The humanoid cylons in Galactica 1980 were androids (human-form robots). Surely the inspiration for the much cooler remake Cylon skinjobs though...
Yes that was the only good episode, and I think inspiration for a lot of the new series.
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However, at Chernobyl, to paraphrase another sci-fi classic, life has found a way. Sure, the people who lived there when the reactor went up are facing serious health problems, and the zone directly around the plant is in a bad way, but the city and the surrounding countryside is quite livable, as evidenced by the large amounts of plant and animal life living and thriving in the region. In fact species that are extinct everywhere else in the region have found a foothold and are making a comeback around Chernobyl. And according to most documented account, the animals there do not have any serious health problems. They also continued to run the rest of the plant, minus reactor four, until 2001 without any documented major health problems among the workers.I should probably go back and watch the episodes on Caprica again, but I seem to remember that Caprica looked pretty good when Starbuck was there and Anders was leading the Resistance...Have you seen Chyrnobyl? That place looks like the garden of eden, but its totally unlivable. You may think you'd do fine just looking at it, but its a toxic death trap. Once you get up close you start noticing some of the problems with wildlife as well...
Also, Chyrnobyl was 1 reactor that had a meltdown, while the colonies had dozens of nuke attacks all over from weapons grade warheads.
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Also, Chyrnobyl was 1 reactor that had a meltdown, while the colonies had dozens of nuke attacks all over from weapons grade warheads.
And Anders' people needed anti-radiaton meds. I don't know if the human-cylons did, or if Athena just took one for appearances.
As an aside, short of personal effects, what tech would be left on the colonies? I mean with EMP effects and everything, Military vehicles would be ok, assuming hardening. Bases like the Caprican Cheyenne Mountain or the like would likely have survived, unless directly targeted, but I'd assume they would be overrun.
Also, how many jumps is our Earth from the Colonies? Even if you used suped up raptors, and took one of the ships and stuffed raptors in it, how long would it take to go out and back?
I know none of this is addressed in the series, but it might not be practical to go back in any case.
We know that the cylon earth was still irradiated to be unsustainable 2K years later.
Edit: Going to New Caprica to look for survivors/tech left behind etc, would be more pratical, I think.
I need to find something new to do Friday nights now..
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I dreamt last night that I had to prepare a brief for Adama to explain what to do with all the ships. I had all these great powerpoint slides with cute clipart, but he (and my boss and my boss's boss) would just sit there and keep deleting slides or crossing through my cute clipart. There was one moment where he (Adama) said, "The sun?" He shook his head slightly and gave an incredulous look, "I don't think so."
Then my boss called me over and whispered, "Andrew, take everyone outside for a while."
"Gaius, too?"
"Especially Gaius."
Then I grabbed my stuff and we all went outside and saw that the ski lodge (yes, we were in a ski lodge) was on top of a hill. Everyone was strapping on skis and heading off. Baltar crouches down and says, "Could someone give me a little push? Just a little--a--a little..." And I pushed him, but he went off the track and onto the grass (right, I know--a track?), and slowly slid down the mountain. Everyone was laughing so hard and ---
I know, I know. No, seriously, I actually dreamed this last night.
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I dreamt last night that I had to prepare a brief for Adama to explain what to do with all the ships. I had all these great powerpoint slides with cute clipart, but he (and my boss and my boss's boss) would just sit there and keep deleting slides or crossing through my cute clipart. There was one moment where he (Adama) said, "The sun?" He shook his head slightly and gave an incredulous look, "I don't think so."
Then my boss called me over and whispered, "Andrew, take everyone outside for a while."
"Gaius, too?"
"Especially Gaius."Then I grabbed my stuff and we all went outside and saw that the ski lodge (yes, we were in a ski lodge) was on top of a hill. Everyone was strapping on skis and heading off. Baltar crouches down and says, "Could someone give me a little push? Just a little--a--a little..." And I pushed him, but he went off the track and onto the grass (right, I know--a track?), and slowly slid down the mountain. Everyone was laughing so hard and ---
I know, I know. No, seriously, I actually dreamed this last night.
I think that was actually an alternate version of all of the opera house scenes.
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Awesome. That's how it ends. I am very pleased. And I'm ready for more!!!
Apart from the JUNE RELEASE? Movie (THE PLAN) and the BSG version of Days of our lives (CAPRICA) thats it. They might be looking at taking the BSG to Anime like Star Trek and and the "in the works" Blake's 7.
No Bucks, No Buck Rogers...
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I dreamt last night that I had to prepare a brief for Adama to explain what to do with all the ships. I had all these great powerpoint slides with cute clipart, but he (and my boss and my boss's boss) would just sit there and keep deleting slides or crossing through my cute clipart. There was one moment where he (Adama) said, "The sun?" He shook his head slightly and gave an incredulous look, "I don't think so."
Then my boss called me over and whispered, "Andrew, take everyone outside for a while."
"Gaius, too?"
"Especially Gaius."Then I grabbed my stuff and we all went outside and saw that the ski lodge (yes, we were in a ski lodge) was on top of a hill. Everyone was strapping on skis and heading off. Baltar crouches down and says, "Could someone give me a little push? Just a little--a--a little..." And I pushed him, but he went off the track and onto the grass (right, I know--a track?), and slowly slid down the mountain. Everyone was laughing so hard and ---
I know, I know. No, seriously, I actually dreamed this last night.
Bad news Andy, Humans dont dream...that wasnt a dream...you have been exposed to a man made black hole...that was a branch in possibility which means part of you is going nuts...Please inform your DARPA Bosses that you have been exposed to a black hole that is working itself backward and forward through you...and the next time you dream please inform every one in it that string theory invalidates religion and evolution...There is a reason the universe is debris of change.
How do I know? I saw fragments of this BSG Series in 1981 in a Dream while asleep in the back of a Jeep. I then spent the next two years contemplating why they hadnt shown this version on TV with the Girl Starbuck...