Letter to ignorant, bigoted, judgemental politico.
I'm not in the habit nowadays of praising WotC management, but this deserves recognition.
I must agree. I'm glad they decided to respond to this. These people take a knock at a simple hobby game and they expect that no one will take offense. Unfortunately, I'm sure Mr. Goldfarb will just receive the letter, stop making ignorant comments, but not apologize publicly for such ignorance. He really should take down those comments and apologize for that statement.
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I must agree. I'm glad they decided to respond to this. These people take a knock at a simple hobby game and they expect that no one will take offense. Unfortunately, I'm sure Mr. Goldfarb will just receive the letter, stop making ignorant comments, but not apologize publicly for such ignorance. He really should take down those comments and apologize for that statement.
From what I have heard (I haven't seen first hand) the McCain website later posted an apology saying that the McCain campaigns goal was to increase the intelligence, wisdom, and charisma of all americans.
Anyone able to provide a link confirming?
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From what I have heard (I haven't seen first hand) the McCain website later posted an apology saying that the McCain campaigns goal was to increase the intelligence, wisdom, and charisma of all americans.
Anyone able to provide a link confirming?
Closest thing I could nail down is a comment on Ace of Spades. There's little to no other reference in the news, and I am prone to believe this may not be all that too genuine. I'd prefer to see something a tad more concrete. Still digging and if I find something I'll post it up.
A little more information:
The quote is from Micheal Goldfarb, a blogger for the McCain campaign at The Weekly Standard. The full quote was
If my comments caused any harm or hurt to the hard working Americans who play Dungeons & Dragons, I apologize. This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American.
As a big aside, this probably belongs over in Gamer Life.
Letter to ignorant, bigoted, judgemental politico.
I'm not in the habit nowadays of praising WotC management, but this deserves recognition.
Out of curiosity, for non-Americans, what did politico say?
Cheers
For some reason I think that apology was for something he said before this latest insult.
It could have been it was just because the article used a comment he made before the apology.
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Original Comment?
I have no idea any more. This article was posted on August 18, then following the links here the apology is dated August 1?
But the link previous was dated August 18th. Also all the comments that mention the apology begin on August 19th.
Out of curiosity, for non-Americans, what did politico say?
Apparently, he wrote: "It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd to disparage a fellow countryman's memory of war from the comfort of mom's basement, but most Americans have the humility and gratitude to respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of others."
(EDIT: ninja'd, of course)
Frankly, I have no idea who he thinks the "Dungeons & Dragons crowd" is. The mom's basement part I get, but pro-Obama and anti-war/military service? That would be the first I've ever heard of such a correlation.
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Frankly, I have no idea who he thinks the "Dungeons & Dragons crowd" is. The mom's basement part I get, but pro-Obama and anti-war/military service? That would be the first I've ever heard of such a correlation.
I think it was some quick and sloppy marraige of the visible ascension of geek culture and the idea that Obama is a hit with the younger set, particularly those in Net culture.
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I think it was some quick and sloppy marraige of the visible ascension of geek culture and the idea that Obama is a hit with the younger set, particularly those in Net culture.
The worst part about this is why do we feel the need to tear something else down in order to elevate ourselves to the point of superiority?
It's one thing to compare capabilities (ie: this car gets 28 mpg as opposed to our rival with the 17 mpg.) Its another thing to belittle one group in order to make you look good (ie the above political comment).
As to the dates, its very confusing and why I don't trust the commentary at all, because its just a blog reference, and it doesn't seem to come into prominence until the 18th. No reliable sources AT ALL have come up on searches. Personally, I think it's a false quote. I can't imagine anyone considers gamers a significant voter base to be concerned about. Maybe in another generation or two, but not yet.
I must agree. I'm glad they decided to respond to this. These people take a knock at a simple hobby game and they expect that no one will take offense. Unfortunately, I'm sure Mr. Goldfarb will just receive the letter, stop making ignorant comments, but not apologize publicly for such ignorance. He really should take down those comments and apologize for that statement.
It was a class move by WotC and Hasbro. Cheers to them for that.
Here's the email I just sent:
Mr. Goldfarb,
I am a conservative republican and veteran of the US Navy, Air Force, and Air National Guard. I served under Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. I signed up for the guard shortly after 9/11. I supported operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and participated in relief efforts assisting the victims of hurricane Katrina.
I started playing D&D in 1978 and I continued to play throughout my military career. My wife and two stepsons and I have fairly regularly for the past 12 years. Overall, I have played for three decades.
Through playing D&D, I gained skills as a leader, writer and public speaker. Most importantly, D&D fosters the development of creative problem solving skills. Now, I get paid (quite handsomely) to solve extremely complex problems.
I know many players locally and not one of them supports Obama. However, given your remarks, they might reconsider. You have quite possibly alienated a very large population of very intelligent voters. Fortunately, most of them are smart enough to not switch sides based solely on your remarks.
I resent your remarks as disgraceful, ill-informed, insulting and just plain stupid.
Honor demands that you post a very humble apology to Wizards of the Coast, Hasbro and to all D&D players as you immediately resign your post.
Sincerely,
Michael W. Donovan
Mck Cain = Vecna.
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I've stayed out of the arguement, and I'll agree that it was a bad/dumb/poorly worded thing to say. The apology was a nice injoke.
I myself have referred to the 'basement dweller' sterotype in talking about people who were expecting a Bush dictatorship, or their civil rights being taken away by W, or anything like that.
The difference, I pointed out, was that unlike the unhinged, we know we're playing a game and it's over when we leave the basement/kitchen/whathave you.
That is a nicely written letter. However I find that calls for resignation should be directed at people like Ted Stevens, and Jack Murtha for their 'misstatements'.
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It was a class move by WotC and Hasbro. Cheers to them for that.
Here's the email I just sent:
Mr. Goldfarb,
I am a conservative republican and veteran of the US Navy, Air Force, and Air National Guard. I served under Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. I signed up for the guard shortly after 9/11. I supported operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and participated in relief efforts assisting the victims of hurricane Katrina.
I started playing D&D in 1978 and I continued to play throughout my military career. My wife and two stepsons and I have fairly regularly for the past 12 years. Overall, I have played for three decades.
Through playing D&D, I gained skills as a leader, writer and public speaker. Most importantly, D&D fosters the development of creative problem solving skills. Now, I get paid (quite handsomely) to solve extremely complex problems.
I know many players locally and not one of them supports Obama. However, given your remarks, they might reconsider. You have quite possibly alienated a very large population of very intelligent voters. Fortunately, most of them are smart enough to not switch sides based solely on your remarks.
I resent your remarks as disgraceful, ill-informed, insulting and just plain stupid.
Honor demands that you post a very humble apology to Wizards of the Coast, Hasbro and to all D&D players as you immediately resign your post.
Sincerely,
Michael W. Donovan
That's a very thoughtful, well-written, and mature response, Mike. I wish more folks responded in such a manner.
The confusion with the dates is because Goldfarb made two comments on Dungeons & Dragons and his apology was conserning his first comment.
In an August 1st post on the official McCain campaign website, spokesperson Michael Goldfarb said of a recent New York Times blog post:
... in their new role as bloggers, the paper's editors seem to have all the intelligence and reason of the average Daily Kos diarist sitting at home in his mother's basement and ranting into the ether between games of dungeons and dragons.
While this mention didn't generate much commotion at the time, it was Goldfarb's decision to negatively namecheck D&D a second time just a few weeks later -- a day after the end of Gen Con -- that had everyone (including online culture blog BoingBoing) wondering whether the McCain staffer has some longstanding issues with the popular role-playing game and its fans.
It may be typical of the pro-Obama Dungeons & Dragons crowd to disparage a fellow countryman's memory of war from the comfort of mom's basement, but most Americans have the humility and gratitude to respect and learn from the memories of men who suffered on behalf of others.
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From what I have heard (I haven't seen first hand) the McCain website later posted an apology saying that the McCain campaigns goal was to increase the intelligence, wisdom, and charisma of all americans.
Anyone able to provide a link confirming?
Closest thing I could nail down is a comment on Ace of Spades. There's little to no other reference in the news, and I am prone to believe this may not be all that too genuine. I'd prefer to see something a tad more concrete. Still digging and if I find something I'll post it up.
A little more information:
The quote is from Micheal Goldfarb, a blogger for the McCain campaign at The Weekly Standard. The full quote wasIf my comments caused any harm or hurt to the hard working Americans who play Dungeons & Dragons, I apologize. This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American.As a big aside, this probably belongs over in Gamer Life.
hrmmm...still seems like Goldfarb is being a bit snarky. I could be wrong though.
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I must agree. I'm glad they decided to respond to this. These people take a knock at a simple hobby game and they expect that no one will take offense. Unfortunately, I'm sure Mr. Goldfarb will just receive the letter, stop making ignorant comments, but not apologize publicly for such ignorance. He really should take down those comments and apologize for that statement.It was a class move by WotC and Hasbro. Cheers to them for that.
Here's the email I just sent:
Mr. Goldfarb,
I am a conservative republican and veteran of the US Navy, Air Force, and Air National Guard. I served under Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. I signed up for the guard shortly after 9/11. I supported operations in Afghanistan and Iraq and participated in relief efforts assisting the victims of hurricane Katrina.
I started playing D&D in 1978 and I continued to play throughout my military career. My wife and two stepsons and I have fairly regularly for the past 12 years. Overall, I have played for three decades.
Through playing D&D, I gained skills as a leader, writer and public speaker. Most importantly, D&D fosters the development of creative problem solving skills. Now, I get paid (quite handsomely) to solve extremely complex problems.
I know many players locally and not one of them supports Obama. However, given your remarks, they might reconsider. You have quite possibly alienated a very large population of very intelligent voters. Fortunately, most of them are smart enough to not switch sides based solely on your remarks.
I resent your remarks as disgraceful, ill-informed, insulting and just plain stupid.
Honor demands that you post a very humble apology to Wizards of the Coast, Hasbro and to all D&D players as you immediately resign your post.
Sincerely,
Michael W. Donovan
OK this was a really great letter, until I got to the last line. even the first portion was great. but to call for the resignation over something a person says is really not called for, especially if he does scincerely and humbly apologize. I just hate this rush now for people to quit just because they say something someone doesn't like.
OK this was a really great letter, until I got to the last line. even the first portion was great. but to call for the resignation over...
Seconded. It's a form of intolerance and censorship to force people to quit simply for speaking their mind. It's actions that are punishable, not words. If you don't like what Goldfarb said you can always respond by not voting for his candidate.
Here is the Habro letter for those who are behind firewalls.
Dear Mr. Goldfarb,
I was disappointed to read the disparaging intent of your comments regarding Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) fans, both in your response to New York Times editors, and on the John McCain campaign website.
Dungeons & Dragons is a global game with millions of consumers in the U.S. and abroad. The brand is owned by Wizards of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc.
For fans, the game is essentially about heroism and therefore it is not surprising to us that thousands of military personnel play and enjoy the game. Hasbro, in turn, supports the U.S. Armed Forces by sending multiple crates of game products, including Dungeons & Dragons, to our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Recently a soldier who saw your comments online said, “Wizards of the Coast (the makers of D&D) has sent care packages to the troops on many occasions, providing free gaming supplies in support of our men and women serving the country overseas to help them decompress after hours. McCain's people should really check their facts before they spout off. Does John McCain have no idea how many GIs play D&D?”
We would very much appreciate you not making any more condescending comments about D&D -- as it is a great game enjoyed by millions of people around the world. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Wayne Charness
Senior Vice President
Hasbro, Inc.
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I really haven't seen this as a big issue. I have become used to gamers being ridiculed, by both sides. Many Obama supporters took offense to being compared to D&D players, but that is not something that comes up very often in threads discussing this issue. Hollywood also makes fun of gamers on a regular basis, the most recent example is in Live Free or Die Hard where Kevin Smith plays a gamer/hacker/Star Wars fan that lives in his mother's basement. Also many of the jokes on the show the Big Bang Theory relate to the fact that gamers are socially inept and do not relate to "normal" people. I think WoTC should have ignored the comment and let it die. Leave the task of blowing stupid comments out of proportion to the professionals.
Well, the gamer stigma exists... but ordinary people who took offense to being called D&D players aren't quite the same thing as someone directly tied to politician running for office daring to put down an entire group of people. Overblowing this event in order to try and influence people to vote democrat is silly, but the rush in to minimize it is just as glaringly obvious as a republican mitigation.
It was what it was. It was not cool. It was not funny. It was short sighted. I call blunder, and an apology is accepted. Everyone screws up. Why we expect perfection from 'celebrities' and those associated with them is beyond me. Let's just call a spade a spade and then move on to the next scandal the think tanks instruct our pundits to warn us about so that we can all ignore the important issues and just squawk about buzzwords like inexperience and age and all the rest of that American Idol: Washington babyfood they're spooning us. Don't you all just love our gerbil wheels this year? I find them sturdy, yet so smooth. ;)
As for the movie, there's making fun lovingly, and there's slamming. Kevin Smith is a devoted geek in real life, and yet he took the role. That should tell you something. His character was an important asset in that film, leading a somewhat infantilized life because of his living conditions, but he was still best of the best. As a sterotype, yes the gamer in the basement thing is as played out as all vegetarians being sandal wearing, acoustic guitar playing people with funny names. I may be a vegetarian with a funny name who plays acoustic guitar, but I DO NOT, AND I WILL NOT WEAR OPEN TOED SANDALS!
WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?
OK this was a really great letter, until I got to the last line. even the first portion was great. but to call for the resignation over...Seconded. It's a form of intolerance and censorship to force people to quit simply for speaking their mind. It's actions that are punishable, not words. If you don't like what Goldfarb said you can always respond by not voting for his candidate.
Free speech is paramount. Mr. Goldfarb made a stereotypical, negative comment that implied that D&D players were all pro-Obama, alienating a large number of voters who would otherwise support his candidate.
As such, Mr. Goldfarb undermined support for his candidate. For a campaign staffer, such is grounds for termination. If Mr. Goldfarb were acting as an impartial journalist (I know, don't get me started on that), I would not propose that he resign or be dismissed.
However, his blogging is not independent and is funded by the McCain campaign. If an employee does something to alienate a large number of customers, he is usually fired or asked to resign. The same sort of logic applies here.
He is welcome to express his opinion as he likes, regardless of how wrong he may be, but such gross inaccuracy should not be funded by my campaign contributions.
In my opinion, he should resign or be removed from the campaign staff.
WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?
'What has four wheels and flies' is a joke.
It was a putdown. There differences between the two is the entire game.
I don't feel it's healthy for us to tolerate negative stereotyping of a non political group by a political party. What would happen if Obama said that those who would vote for McCain were as divorced from reality and good sense as blondes? If your counter is, "But blondes can't choose to be blonde," you don't know most blondes. ;)
People attack those who don't stand up for themselves. Stand up and be counted, sez me.
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WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?Could you define PC for me? I think I'm misunderstanding the term as it is currently being used.
Political Correctness. As CF used it it means a movement that aims to censor political dialogue by declaring certain topics, expressions, and gestures off limits during debate. For example, it is currently not PC in the United States to bring up the fact that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein.
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Political Correctness. As CF used it it means a movement that aims to censor political dialogue by declaring certain topics, expressions, and gestures off limits during debate. For example, it is currently not PC in the United States to bring up the fact that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein.WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?Could you define PC for me? I think I'm misunderstanding the term as it is currently being used.
I've always heard it applied to any attempt by the left to discuss the implications of certain words. I think I'm out of date.
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WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?'What has four wheels and flies' is a joke.
It was a putdown. There differences between the two is the entire game.
Only if you read it as all D&D players support Obama and live in their parents basement. If you read it as D&D player who support Obama live in their parents basement, then it's only a slam on your opponents supporters, not those brave souls in Iraq who are playing in the barracks between missions, or those pro-McCain gamers who are playing when they can get time away from their very important jobs making America work.
Remember that the media outlets which actually reported on this are more left leaning and reported the story in such a way as to engender the outrage we are seeing. Outside of CNN I could only find four other news outlets that carried it and two were computer mags, one of which,Wired, takes every opportunity it can to run down McCain. Much like the staff at Paizo the WOTC people are out on the left coast and most likely lean more towards Obama than McCain. Paizo wisely chose to stay out of the uproar. WOTC did not and may run the risk of alienating many conservative pro-McCain customers as a result. Of course most of us have already switched to Pathfinder anyway.
Ok, folks, for those confused.
The jerk McCain worker, who is a fat lazy blogger and has no business of making fun of even DnD players who do live in their parents' basement, made a nasty statement about Dungeons and Dragons players prior to this whole big deal. Which he then issued the "str, dex, int, con, wis, and cha" apology for.
Later, he made yet another slur on DnD players, the 'parents' basement comment on Aug 18th that riled so many people and finally prompted this action on Hasbro's part.
So yeah, slur, apologize, slur....no apology yet. Considering the U.S. Army was where I was introduced to this game, and it made the entire 9-11 and post actions much more bearable throughout my tours, I'd appreciate it if they tell that blubber coated waste of oxygen to shut his mouth a little stronger. He wants to be all neo-con, he can do so with a rifle in his hand and a ruck on his back.
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I've always heard it applied to any attempt by the left to discuss the implications of certain words. I think I'm out of date.Political Correctness. As CF used it it means a movement that aims to censor political dialogue by declaring certain topics, expressions, and gestures off limits during debate. For example, it is currently not PC in the United States to bring up the fact that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein.WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?Could you define PC for me? I think I'm misunderstanding the term as it is currently being used.
Well it is that too. But again the conotation is that you can't use certain words because they would offend people. Like the Washington DC city councilman who was railroaded out of office for using the word niggardly, which means stingy, to describe the city budget. Because some people thought it meant something else, they protested and the guy was thrown out of office. That is PC at it's finest.
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Ok, folks, for those confused.
The jerk McCain worker, who is a fat lazy blogger and has no business of making fun of even DnD players who do live in their parents' basement, made a nasty statement about Dungeons and Dragons players prior to this whole big deal. Which he then issued the "str, dex, int, con, wis, and cha" apology for.
Later, he made yet another slur on DnD players, the 'parents' basement comment on Aug 18th that riled so many people and finally prompted this action on Hasbro's part.
So yeah, slur, apologize, slur....no apology yet. Considering the U.S. Army was where I was introduced to this game, and it made the entire 9-11 and post actions much more bearable throughout my tours, I'd appreciate it if they tell that blubber coated waste of oxygen to shut his mouth a little stronger. He wants to be all neo-con, he can do so with a rifle in his hand and a ruck on his back.
I appreciate that you have strong feelings on this issue, but please do not resort to personal insults when expressing them. It makes you no better than the man you are upset with.
Political Correctness. As CF used it it means a movement that aims to censor political dialogue by declaring certain topics, expressions, and gestures off limits during debate. For example, it is currently not PC in the United States to bring up the fact that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein.WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?Could you define PC for me? I think I'm misunderstanding the term as it is currently being used.
Can't say it? Sure they can, and do, all the time. It isn't against PC, it's just a terribly immature and short-sighted thing to keep harping on, as if doing so gives any higher ground in further intelligent discussion. It's like when you're arguing with a lesser in the skills of debate, and they say something idiotic, irrelevent, and oh so revealing as to their poor character, and yet they think they won.
Obama's middle name could be Hitler, it wouldn't make him Hitler. I think the larger question is why Fox News kept bringing up the Hussein thing. It's childish and it suggests they think their own viewers are simpleminded and easily manipulated by symbols. Is that the best they can do, try to draw a baseless parallel between a candidate and a dictator because of the similarities in name? Does the fact that a guy served in the military make him a war genius? Does the fact that a guy vacationed on a yacht make him an elitist incapable of leader blue collar folks? Apple pie, the flag... these are symbols, not substance. The fact that Obama rhymes with Osama is not actually important. And the things that, IMO, are important aren't getting much focus.
Hey I saw a sign that read 'Obama Biden'. Well the first two letters of Biden are B and I and the last three letters are D-E-N. Know what that (doesn't) spell?! Bi(n La)Den! So those candidate signs may as well read OSAMA BIN LADEN! OMG OMG! Terror has won!
When well paid pundits jingle keys in front of our faces to keep us distracted, I just want to hulk smash. Most of the media sucks the white off an egg.
And yes, that is my platform. I'll be on the 'Tree that falls in the forest' ticket, and I appreciate your vote.
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Hey I saw a sign that read 'Obama Biden'. Well the first two letters of Biden are B and I and the last three letters are D-E-N. Know what that (doesn't) spell?! Bi(n La)Den! So those candidate signs may as well read OSAMA BIN LADEN! OMG OMG! Terror has won!
McCain's veep's name could be changed from Palin to PALadIN. I would say that is his subtle way of making peace with the D&D crowd.
Edit: don't forget that it was Ted Kennedy who called him Barack Osama, but I think he was drunk at the time.
Hey I saw a sign that read 'Obama Biden'. Well the first two letters of Biden are B and I and the last three letters are D-E-N. Know what that (doesn't) spell?! Bi(n La)Den! So those candidate signs may as well read OSAMA BIN LADEN! OMG OMG! Terror has won!McCain's veep's name could be changed from Palin to PALadIN. I would say that is his subtle way of making peace with the D&D crowd.
LOL. Can you imagine? That would probably work. As it is I just keep thinking of Michael Palin from Monty Python.
LOL. Can you imagine? That would probably work. As it is I just keep thinking of Michael Palin from Monty Python.
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LOL. Can you imagine? That would probably work. As it is I just keep thinking of Michael Palin from Monty Python.Hey I saw a sign that read 'Obama Biden'. Well the first two letters of Biden are B and I and the last three letters are D-E-N. Know what that (doesn't) spell?! Bi(n La)Den! So those candidate signs may as well read OSAMA BIN LADEN! OMG OMG! Terror has won!McCain's veep's name could be changed from Palin to PALadIN. I would say that is his subtle way of making peace with the D&D crowd.
I can't take all the credit. Someone else made the paladin comment, I just felt it was appropriate here. If I took credit for it that would make me Joe Biden.
The Republican party is the party of big business. Hasbro, being a multi-billion dollar company, is big business. It may not be an oil company, but it's not a small thing either. This letter to the McCain campaign is saying, "Hey, your ignorant comments are damaging many of the constituents who are helping put you in power. Bad monkey! Knock it off."
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Political Correctness. As CF used it it means a movement that aims to censor political dialogue by declaring certain topics, expressions, and gestures off limits during debate. For example, it is currently not PC in the United States to bring up the fact that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein.WotC should have just ignored it. PC has just gone too far. Can’t anyone take a joke anymore?Could you define PC for me? I think I'm misunderstanding the term as it is currently being used.
Okay, I think I understand the term now. So, when Courtfool used the term PC he was trying to discourage political expression that discourages political expression? Saying something is 'PC' is a way of trying to stop people from trying to stop people from saying something, right? I got it.
You know, I love Courtfool but the ....
HEY! What's that. I think I stepped in some poodle s!+#!! ... Oh, nevermind, it's just irony. Hand me that copy of so that I can scrape it off.
;-)
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Okay, I think I understand the term now. So, when Courtfool used the term PC he was trying to discourage political expression that discourages political expression? Saying something is 'PC' is a way of trying to stop people from trying to stop people from saying something, right? I got it.
Actually yes. Which begs the question, if censorship is bad, is censorship of censorship worse?
Actually yes. Which begs the question, if censorship is bad, is censorship of censorship worse?
Okay, I think I understand the term now. So, when Courtfool used the term PC he was trying to discourage political expression that discourages political expression? Saying something is 'PC' is a way of trying to stop people from trying to stop people from saying something, right? I got it.
Maybe I don't hear so good, but if you're talking about sensors on ships, you really can't survive without them. Not in this galaxy anyway.
His only drawbacks are that he wouldn't necessarily appeal to Hillary's PUMA voters and the regrettable fact that he is, in truth, fictional.
You mean, the characters actually running for president aren't works of partial fiction?
You mean, the characters actually running for president aren't works of partial fiction?"Representatives of Useless Sophistry? I don't believe they exist!"
You mean... we're not seeing the truth of things in what they reveal to us? Is that... is that even possible? Why would they do that?