Cpt_kirstov |
In the age of the Internet, VPN Networks, and iPhone, do you really need them onsite?
See the post 2 above yours.. also most companies prefer you to work on site for the first 2-3 years to ensure you don't fall into bad habits and fall in line with the company's best practices guidelines.
DudeMonkey |
Kruelaid wrote:Hiring non-US citizens is a tricky proposition. Work visas make things difficult on both sides. We'd have to think somebody was pretty much perfect in order to seriously contemplate going through the effort.You should hire some Chinese coders. They run on ramen (ok all programmers do) and don't sleep much.
One of my friends, who does indeed speak English, loves games... we have riddle duels (IN ENGLISH!) and the guy is amazing at finding non-linear solutions. On math riddles he is unbeatable. He makes about 1000 USD a month over here.
There are also a million Indian dudes who would love to relocate and write code for your website, and they're English is probably pretty good.
Plus, there's the fact that the earliest you can get someone with an H1-B visa to start would be October 2009, assuming your person is one of the 30% who gets their visa awarded to them through the lottery.
DudeMonkey |
You should hire some Chinese coders. They run on ramen (ok all programmers do) and don't sleep much.
One of my friends, who does indeed speak English, loves games... we have riddle duels (IN ENGLISH!) and the guy is amazing at finding non-linear solutions. On math riddles he is unbeatable. He makes about 1000 USD a month over here.
There are also a million Indian dudes who would love to relocate and write code for your website, and they're English is probably pretty good.
Sorry if this is a double-post. Just when I thought the website issues were hammered out my post got eaten.
The point of it was that the lack of solid technical talent is the #1 problem the tech industy faces. I'm an IT manager and I spend a decent portion of my time recruiting on a shoestring budget and I got very good at it (mostly because I'm always recruiting). Google and Microsoft have pushed the starting salary for top college grads up close to six figures, and there's no sign that's going to slow down. They're literally strangling smaller companies like Paizo.
My heart goes out to Paizo on this one. I wrote a paper on this exact topic when I was Director of Technology at my last job and another paper for my current company (they have a LOT more money than my last company had).
Just for you, Kruelaid, it had a section on offshoring.
EDIT: Sorry if this came off sounding preachy. I just deal with this very problem all the time and it makes me a little disappointed to see Paizo struggling with it since they've demonstrated themselves as such goodhearted people.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
What kind of order-of-magnitude are we talking about here?
For this position, more than any other, it's dependent on how closely you align to what we want. If you're the perfect candidate, with actual professional WebObjects experience, you could be one of the highest-paid employees in the company. But at this point, we're willing to entertain entry-level folks, who would be paid, well, entry-level wages. (Either way, we're talking 5 digits, not 6.)
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Maybe this is a strange question... but with all of the available communication methods available nowadays do you really need this person to move to Seattle?
Yes. Telecommunication still presents a barrier to real communication, and a lack of communication often results in a lack of quality. (Personally, I'm annoyed that Erik's office is down the *hallway* from the editorial folks.)
Also, frankly, one of the most valuable aspects of this job is that you get to learn from Gary. That doesn't work so well if you're not actually there.
Plus, we also want a third person who can kick the servers on a Saturday afternoon if need be.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Vic Wertz wrote:If you're the perfect candidateWhat would you consider to be the perfect candidate?
Essentially, somebody that can complement Gary so well that our to-do list can get done at double the current rate. It's a subjective assessment, but, objectively, if you can say yes to everything listed as "a plus" in the job listing, you'd be well on the way.
Pete Apple |
Ross Byers wrote:What kind of order-of-magnitude are we talking about here?For this position, more than any other, it's dependent on how closely you align to what we want. If you're the perfect candidate, with actual professional WebObjects experience, you could be one of the highest-paid employees in the company. But at this point, we're willing to entertain entry-level folks, who would be paid, well, entry-level wages. (Either way, we're talking 5 digits, not 6.)
How are you looking? My wife was a recruiter here in Seattle and knows all the tricks. What sites have you posted on? Have you tried a headhunter?
Also: WebObjects? Eh? What do you develop on, Mac's? I remember those from the NeXT days. (I *loved* that box!) What sort of platform do you guys use?
I will say that my company has had good luck with outsourcing, actually. I've got a team of folks in India that I work with on almost a daily basis. You sometimes have to clean up some of their stuff a bit but it gets done on time.
I'd go and find some books on WebObjects and study up, but unfortunately that last part regarding numbers of digits (5 vs 6) is a bit of an issue with the kid in college and the daughter getting married... Heavy Sigh.
-Pete
Kruelaid |
Plus, there's the fact that the earliest you can get someone with an H1-B visa to start would be October 2009, assuming your person is one of the 30% who gets their visa awarded to them through the lottery.
I was going to mention this but felt no need to press the issue.
TO be perfectly honest, I don't think hiring someone from overseas is hard. Paperwork and bureaucratic worship is easy - it's the wait that's the problem. I mean, who wants to wait a year or more to get the wrong employee?
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
How are you looking? My wife was a recruiter here in Seattle and knows all the tricks. What sites have you posted on? Have you tried a headhunter?
As I mentioned above, because the pay is below industry scale, we need somebody who'll do it for love more than money, as it were, so we've been working close to home. Our biggest push has been to our own mailing list. That said, I know Lisa had it on craigslist for a while as well.
Also: WebObjects? Eh? What do you develop on, Mac's? I remember those from the NeXT days. (I *loved* that box!) What sort of platform do you guys use?
It's all Mac. Our servers are mostly xServes.
Dale McCoy Jr Jon Brazer Enterprises |
If I had any outrage left on this topic, I'd be happily venting it, but after the horrible awful very-bad no good launch of eDragon and eDungeon, my expectations have been so dramatically lowered that I am only mildly annoyed. The one thing that made it possible for me to stomach the cancellation of Dragon and Dungeon was that I believed WotC would stun us all with the amazing quality of their online replacements. In a way, I guess they have succeeded in stunning us all, but sadly, it is with the magnitude of how terrible their launch of this online product has been.
End of the day, regardless of the success or failure of 4e, the person in charge of it should be fired and with a quickness. Insufficient resources were allocated to the roll out of 4e and whoever set the deadlines completely failed in their job if any part of their duties required them to manage and accomplish the goals of the project within the time frame given. They should've either pushed back the timing of the release of 4e, thrown sufficient bodies at the problem to make the roll out a success, or released realistic deadlines they could actually meet.
The decision maker that decided to cancel Dragon and Dungeon stands head and shoulders above the general incompetence and should be fired as well. When his employment is terminated, he should be shown the success that the magazines enjoyed in prepping people for 3e, he should be forced to explain the poor quality online version approved in its stead, and he should be required to account for each and every single person that is choosing to go with Pathfinder over 4e because if he had not made the brilliant decision to can the magazines, chances are extremely good there would be no Pathfinder.*
Hmmm...I guess I have some disgust. Is that close enough to outrage?
*Note that I'm not saying I wish there was no Pathfinder, but that the person who is responsible for its genesis over at WotC clearly did not think his cunning plan all the way through.
Sebastian, I have never been sadder to agree with you. Completely. The cancelling of the mags put a terribly bitter taste in alot of people's mouths about 4E before it was even announced. Then they promised the moon as its replacement and they did not do so. Instead, they could have people excited about the exclusive preview content that would only be found in dragon or the adventure that featured a dragonborn or relatively low level characters going to the shadowfell (and showed how it was different then the plane of shadows) in dungeon. They could have taken people step by step and showed them how 4E was so much a better game then 3E.
They could have done so much with those two mags at their disposal for teasers and all they would have to do was write one article and one adventure per month. Instead they made themselves incharge of the whole ball of wax. They added to much responsibility for themselves. They tried to do to much in to short a time with to little manpower.
Now they just assume people will buy it because of the brand name. Instead, I feel that their reliance on the brand name carrying them made the brand name worthless.
Erik Mona Chief Creative Officer, Publisher |
DudeMonkey |
As I mentioned above, because the pay is below industry scale, we need somebody who'll do it for love more than money, as it were, so we've been working close to home. Our biggest push has been to our own mailing list. That said, I know Lisa had it on craigslist for a while as well.
Are you amenable to additional suggestions along these lines?
Lisa Stevens CEO |
Erik Mona wrote:Moving?The next one will be wonderful! :)
Yep, next summer. Our lease goes through August 2009 and the Bellevue market is one of the hottest in the nation right now, with rents doubling in the last two years. Doubling right out of our price range. With Microsoft, T-Mobile, and other big tech companies gobbling up space here in Bellevue, it is hard to compete. Besides, we need much more warehouse space for our evergrowing line of products. Much more than we have here in our small, crowded warehouse. :)
-Lisa
DudeMonkey |
Yep, next summer. Our lease goes through August 2009 and the Bellevue market is one of the hottest in the nation right now, with rents doubling in the last two years. Doubling right out of our price range. With Microsoft, T-Mobile, and other big tech companies gobbling up space here in Bellevue, it is hard to compete. Besides, we need much more warehouse space for our evergrowing line of products. Much more than we have here in our small, crowded warehouse. :)
-Lisa
Sounds like a surprise announcement that Paizo is moving to New York City is unlikely. I guess my birthday wish isn't coming true this year, then.
Cpt_kirstov |
Ross Byers wrote:Erik Mona wrote:Moving?The next one will be wonderful! :)
Yep, next summer. Our lease goes through August 2009 and the Bellevue market is one of the hottest in the nation right now, with rents doubling in the last two years. Doubling right out of our price range. With Microsoft, T-Mobile, and other big tech companies gobbling up space here in Bellevue, it is hard to compete. Besides, we need much more warehouse space for our evergrowing line of products. Much more than we have here in our small, crowded warehouse. :)
-Lisa
If you move across the country to the CT/MA/RI area you got your programmer right here *jumps up and down*
Charles Evans 25 |
<Wonders in a smurfy manner if it would be possible for Paizo to buy themselves their own ship as their new offices, and could then tour the world to attend conventions.>
Edit:
Too much to hope that Mr. Logue is going to be dispatched to establish the HQ of the Pathfinder Society as a bridgehead in the UK, and so that the rest of Paizo can move in next year? :D
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
<Wonders in a smurfy manner if it would be possible for Paizo to buy themselves their own ship as their new offices, and could then tour the world to attend conventions.>
Not sure how well that would work given that Gen Con is located in a land-locked state (plus or minus a small slice of Lake Michigan). What they need is a jawa sand crawler. That would do the job.
Lilith |
niel wrote:Next PaizoCon on moving day? (Gamers make good movers, but they're easily distracted)I can just see Lisa's strategy now for cheap labor, an offer of 10% off all Paizo stuff if you come help move all the boxes and furniture (and Mike McArtor).
Works for me, I've been paid in beer and pizza for helping friends move. Gaming product is even better. :D
Charles Evans 25 |
Charles Evans 25 wrote:Not sure how well that would work given that Gen Con is located in a land-locked state (plus or minus a small slice of Lake Michigan). What they need is a jawa sand crawler. That would do the job.<Wonders in a smurfy manner if it would be possible for Paizo to buy themselves their own ship as their new offices, and could then tour the world to attend conventions.>
That sounds a brilliant idea! I'm sure that there's someone on these boards who knows where Paizo could buy a slightly used sand crawler, complete with Jawas to maintain it.
niel |
Charles Evans 25 wrote:
<Wonders in a smurfy manner if it would be possible for Paizo to buy themselves their own ship as their new offices, and could then tour the world to attend conventions.>Not sure how well that would work given that Gen Con is located in a land-locked state (plus or minus a small slice of Lake Michigan). What they need is a jawa sand crawler. That would do the job.
I was going to make the obligatory 'shipping' company pun, but I got nuthin for 'jawa sand crawler'. Maybe 'Jawana park dat somma else? I unnersand its only got a crawler gear, but mov outta da shipping lanes.'
Pete Apple |
Ross Byers wrote:Erik Mona wrote:Moving?The next one will be wonderful! :)
Yep, next summer. Our lease goes through August 2009 and the Bellevue market is one of the hottest in the nation right now, with rents doubling in the last two years. Doubling right out of our price range. With Microsoft, T-Mobile, and other big tech companies gobbling up space here in Bellevue, it is hard to compete. Besides, we need much more warehouse space for our evergrowing line of products. Much more than we have here in our small, crowded warehouse. :)
-Lisa
Yah, I hear ya. We looked for space for new digs last year. It was to the point where we finally gave up and stayed where we were at in Bellevue(Overlake) because the employees rebelled at driving that far north or south.
Vic Wertz Chief Technical Officer |
Vic Wertz wrote:As I mentioned above, because the pay is below industry scale, we need somebody who'll do it for love more than money, as it were, so we've been working close to home. Our biggest push has been to our own mailing list. That said, I know Lisa had it on craigslist for a while as well.Are you amenable to additional suggestions along these lines?
Possibly. Our last push netted us a couple of possibilities that Gary will be examining this week... but if that doesn't pan out, drop me a line!
Kvantum |
I can just see Lisa's strategy now for cheap labor, an offer of 10% off all Paizo stuff if you come help move all the boxes and furniture (and Mike McArtor).
Are you sure you want the hardcore fans moving stuff for the company? Nameplates, stationery, pens, anything with a Paizo logo... it'd all "fall off the truck" midway through the move. :)
Adam Daigle Director of Narrative |
Samuel Leming |
Possibly. Our last push netted us a couple of possibilities that Gary will be examining this week... but if that doesn't pan out, drop me a line!
If those don't pan out would you consider someone who worked with relational databases for nine years but hasn't done so in the last seven years?
Sam
Michael Grancey |
Nah, they way I see it with D&Di, the big question is who is in charge of the synergy and sencrocity of the different areas? Techs or Bullocrats?
An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.
So I think the real question is just who is saying what is important for the programs and what they need to do.
The Imager? gee just ask they guys who did DDO to bang something together or to buy that little bit and expand on it.
The character sheet builder? Flash, Shockwave, Java! Any of the three could be used to make a mobile, usable, web capable program. As far as powers go I forsee The Other Gaming Company having something usable up as quick as possible.
The Game table. That's so basic and easy it shouldn't be hard at all. The V-mini's would have been that hardest part and I cant say that I think you should have to buy those, otherwise what is the monthly fee for, Access to the extra materials, not worth 15 a month! If the game table was good sure thats not too bad it you want to play online. Probably should have offered a lesser costing program for just access to extra content. As far as I was concerned it didn't need to be real pretty just usable enough show what was being done. Hell those programs are out there, why not just buy it or make a deal with them.
dungeon builder. Again what is the big deal, a fancy layout program. Cad offshoot, or something similar it would have been so easy to just make some adjustments and wala!~!
As far as e-tools go wasn't into DnD when they came out and there were more then enough sources for various needs.
tadkil |
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Charles hit the nail on the head—we have a lot of great ideas, but we've got one programmer to do them (see our job listing), and the stuff we *need* to do keeps getting in the way of the stuff we *want* to do.
Why don't yu solicit a bid from a developer and enter into a partnership. Shared IP would have some weight based on the strength of your brand.
DudeMonkey |
Why don't yu solicit a bid from a developer and enter into a partnership. Shared IP would have some weight based on the strength of your brand.
Interestingly, this just happened to me the other day although it was for a Technical Director role and not a programmer. This is a legitimate way to go.
LazarX |
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Also: WebObjects? Eh? What do you develop on, Mac's? I remember those from the NeXT days. (I *loved* that box!) What sort of platform do you guys use?
There's still some legacy support for Windows as quoted below from the wikipedia entery for webobjects Currently WebObjects is available as a free download as part of the XCode package for Mac OS X.
Another trivia bit. With the next release "Snow Leopard" OS X drops the "Mac" part from it's name.
To ease the transition to a Mac OS X-only development solution, Apple continues to sell the earlier version 5.2, which includes development tools for Windows 2000 Professional and official deployment support for Windows 2000 Server and Solaris 8.
Jeremy Mac Donald |
Move to the good 'ole South (my entirely biased opinion would be Birmingham, AL in specific...) and you can probably double your space for the same cost!
Of course, it's 96 degrees right now and we haven't even started the hot months yet...but you can also get IT resources cheaper here!
From the Seattle area? They'd all wilt like flowers and die.
Jeremy Mac Donald |
Callous Jack wrote:I can just see Lisa's strategy now for cheap labor, an offer of 10% off all Paizo stuff if you come help move all the boxes and furniture (and Mike McArtor).Are you sure you want the hardcore fans moving stuff for the company? Nameplates, stationery, pens, anything with a Paizo logo... it'd all "fall off the truck" midway through the move. :)
Thats right! Every single thing that said either Paizo or had one of the employees names on it would vanish without a trace. Gary Teeters lunch (with his name on it) would become the centre piece to some gamers basement gaming altar.