niel |
If mutations = a level, how about troll(3 LA) + two levels of tough? And I'll build him without mutations or firearms prof.? (He's man sized at 3 LA). That would give him a BAB of +1, Fort +3, two skills at 5 ranks, two feats, a talent, and 2d10 hit die. Maybe I could take bad mutations to get vomit acid? Or stop here?
Kruelaid |
Kruelaid's troll solution.
Use the Orc package for d20 modern and buy regeneration with your 10 mutation points (with Patrick's permission). The high cost of this mutation (10-15 points I figure) could be financed with the drawback of fire susceptibility.
Here's my troll:
BFT (Big F!#$ing Troll)
Troll (Orc pack) Male Tough Hero 4
Abilities:
Strength 22 (+6)
Dexterity 14 (+2)
Constitution 17 (+3)
Intelligence 8 (-1)
Wisdom 12 (+1)
Charisma 8 (-1)
Stats:
Size: Medium
Height: 7' 6"
Weight: 480 lb
Combat:
Total Hit Points: 47 [includes toughness x2]
DEFENSE: 15 = 10 + 3 [class] +2 [dexterity]
Touch: 15
Flat-footed: 13
Initiative modifier: +2 = +2 [dexterity]
Speed: 30 feet
Attack (handheld): +9 = 3 [base] +6 [strength]
Attack (missile): +5 = 3 [base] +2 [dexterity]
Grapple check: +9 = 3 [base] +6 [strength]
Fortitude save: +7 = 2 [base] +3 [constitution] +2 [great fortitude]
Reflex save: +3 = 1 [base] +2 [dexterity]
Will save: +2 = 1 [base] +1 [wisdom]
Profession:
Outcast (starting occupation)
Talents:
Feats:
Mutations:
Bought Race as Orc Package:
Skills:
Balance Dex* 2 = +2
Bluff Cha -1 = -1
Climb Str* 7 = +4 +3
Diplomacy Cha -1 = -1
Disguise Cha -1 = -1
Drive Dex* 2 = +2
Escape Artist Dex* 2 = +2
Forgery Int -1 = -1
Gamble Wis 1 = +1
Gather Information Cha -1 = -1
Hide Dex* 2 = +2
Intimidate Cha 3 = -1 +4
Jump Str* 4 = +4
Listen Wis 1 = +1
Move Silently Dex* 2 = +2
Ride Dex 2 = +2
Search Int -1 = -1
Sense Motive Wis 1 = +1
Spot Wis 1 = +1
Survival Wis 2 = +1 +1 [Outcast]
Swim Str** 4 = +4
Treat Injury Wis 1 = +1
* = check penalty for wearing armor
Class HP rolled
Level 1: Tough Hero 10
Level 2: Tough Hero 6
Level 3: Tough Hero 8
Level 4: Tough Hero 5
Kruelaid |
Hey, that will work! Nicely done.
I think I would spend a few of the sad skill points on survival and buy the tracking feat instead of advanced weapon proficiency. I tapped that off pretty quick without thinking about character development.
But it is workable. Patrick needs to rule on cost for a regeneration mutation, and how much susceptibility to fire is needed for balance.
niel |
Looks good Kruelaid. I can work with it. Some tweeking on feats and talents might be necessary, but its mostly there.
What does fire susceptibility do other than ignore regen?
I'm not sure I'd go for tracking- surv skill so low it would make DC's hard to reach. Advanced firearms will likely go, not sure what to replace with.
I picked up Apocalypse D20 and borrowed D20 Past- I'll look in there for goodies.
edit: wonder if i can get a breast plate made of a manhole cover?
Kruelaid |
What does fire susceptibility do other than ignore regen?
That's what I would do.
And probably regen 5 is a little over the top for 10 mutation points....
I would suggest whatever concept you have in mind for it and Patrick can okay it.
Regen could also be "not in sunlight" which should half the cost by the old champions disadvantage rules.
Kruelaid |
Looks good Kruelaid. I can work with it. Some tweeking on feats and talents might be necessary, but its mostly there.
What does fire susceptibility do other than ignore regen?
I'm not sure I'd go for tracking- surv skill so low it would make DC's hard to reach. Advanced firearms will likely go, not sure what to replace with.
I picked up Apocalypse D20 and borrowed D20 Past- I'll look in there for goodies.
edit: wonder if i can get a breast plate made of a manhole cover?
And I added up all the strength bonuses wrong in the skills.
It might be better to bump up INT and drop some WIS so you can get some more skills.
Patrick Curtin |
OK discussion thread made HERE
Looking over the troll build Kruelaid did it works for me if you like it Niel. As long as everyone is happy that they are all getting the same power level, that is good enough. I play loose with the rules (as I don't know them all that well) but hopefully we can come up with a good adventure. See y'all voer at the discussion thread!